The Genesis Seal

[Kingfisher2926]

It may be of interest if you can show that others have noticed the same patterns and let themselves be led by them.

Hans

Thank you, that is a promising, positive stance. I shall do so as soon as I have presented sufficient information to justify my claim. Though that may take some time - days or even weeks.

 

[JimBenArm]

I may have to rethink making the pool into a giant deep fryer. If I'm going to have to make room for a Genesis Sealion, it's going to need someplace to stay. Sadly, this would mean I can only make a few Corn Dogs at a time, so some of you won't get the Battered Goodness for several days.

 

[the PC apeman]

Try not to get hung up on the supernatural origin question. The Genesis Seal should have intrinsic interest to anyone wanting to know more about human history. It should be of very wide interest that the Seal phenomenon (even if accidental) has affected some prominent shakers and movers of the past.

Should? What sort of "should" is that? Conditional? Moral?

In other words, why?*


*Okay, that was only one word.

 

[dafydd]

The real point is the vast extent of those coherent patterns that combine structure with literary meaning. Besides, the Genesis Seal is not just 'any sequence of characters' but a well-known literary masterpiece (on several levels).

That farrago of nonsense a literary masterpiece? You must be joking.

 

[ddt]

I have yet to see an English example that meets the same criteria as the first Hebrew 18 words of Genesis. In an 8x8 grid, it is very likely that there will be one, two or maybe three emergent words. That is not the same as finding significant words.

Define "significant".

The Genesis Seal marks relevant emergent words, often by means of significant mutua alignments. I have only illustrated three such words in Figure 1 (two of them being identical), and their special alignments are clearly evident. This is a crucial attribute of the Genesis Seal that is being pointedly ignored.
There are plenty of short English words (2, 3 and 4 letters) belonging to related sets. How about composing a 64-letter piece about, say , animals from which an 8x8 grid (formatted as per Genesis Seal) reveals ten names of animals (eg ox, cat, dog, hen, ...).

As I argued, that's easier to do with Hebrew than with English, because Hebrew doesn't write vowels, and its stems are typically 3 consonants long. It's actually pathetic you only found two Hebrew words in the square.

 

[Hecubas]

Even if there were some sort of meaning to be gathered by playing with the letters like this, what is the point of obfuscating a message so much that it would be open to any sort of interpretation? Why hide it at all?

Unless the authors of this text have other documents or artifacts which have been shown to include specific patterns meaningful to their period of time or related to this arrangement, I would consider this bit of work as subject material for a Dan Brown novel.

 

[dafydd]

Even if there were some sort of meaning to be gathered by playing with the letters like this, what is the point of obfuscating a message so much that it would be open to any sort of interpretation? Why hide it at all?

Unless the authors of this text have other documents or artifacts which have been shown to include specific patterns meaningful to their period of time or related to this arrangement, I would consider this bit of work as subject material for a Dan Brown novel.

Somebody should steal the idea and write a novel. It would sell.

 

[ddt]

Not so. The Hebrew form existed long before any Greek translation. But I am happy to run with your broad thrust. You seem to be saying that the Hebrew creation account may not have started out as a Hebrew script. There is no hard evidence one way or the other, but biblical scholarship asserts that there is good evidence that it existed first as an oral tradition, and that it either built upon earlier myths of the Ancient Near East or, more likely, was a polemic protest against them.
What we have now, however, is a long-established text that exhibits some remarkable properties. I would certainly like to hear what the scholarly community make of that. I would like to think the Genesis Seal will prove useful in clarifying the history of the Hebrew Bible.

There's at least one (ex) forum member who claimed the Septuagint to be the original story.

 

[Donn]

Here's a thought Kingfisher,
What if the messages you decode via your seal are, in-turn, concealing another message? And, what if that other message, once unsealed, is a third encryption?

In fact, I predict that when you try this you will find an endless recursion of messages.

What do you make of that?

 

[JimBenArm]

I can make a hat, a broach, a pterodactyl...

 

[the PC apeman]

I can make a hat, a broach, a pterodactyl...

roflmao

 

[Donn]

ETA: Never abroach a pterodactyl in a hat.

 

[RobDegraves]

The real point is the vast extent of those coherent patterns that combine structure with literary meaning. Besides, the Genesis Seal is not just 'any sequence of characters' but a well-known literary masterpiece (on several levels).

BS

I have never heard of it, I can't find anything on it and you have yet to show that it exists anywhere else but in your own mind.

Also...

You have so far ignored or put off any significant criticism or questions about this. That is hardly a good way to present your case and a good way to be dismissed as a crank. Stop saying that you are going to produce a whole bunch more code because no one will care unless you can...

1. Prove that there is a genuine message.
2. Demonstrate that it was an intended message.
3. Show what you have that makes you think this is a famous or even well known message.


Without any of those... you are just a crank with a rather pointless obsession.

 

[Donn]

Here's another idea that's got to be easier than your seal:
http://translate.google.com/?tl=iw&q=undefined

1. Paste your Hebrew sources in.

2. Convert them to English. (Or whatever.)

3. Convert that back into Hebrew.

4. Repeat until replete.

5. Seek patterns. Mark in pastel colours.

6. Draw bulls-eyes around hits.

7. Profit..?

 

[dafydd]

The only hit on Google for 'Genesis Seal' is this thread. That says it all. File under 'Woo'.

 

[Dinwar]

First, I do not assert that the additional meaning is a continuous, syntactically correct message. The extra content appears to resemble more a scratchpad in which crucial, later biblical narratives are pre-planned.

I'm sorry, but you actually take this idea seriously? You don't see the flaw in the argument that someone used a highly complex methodology to encode what amounts to pre-writing in a text? This is beyond silly. Sketches of ideas for stories are never encoded in complex ways for the same reason plastic cups aren't stored in bank vaults: there's no VALUE in them. They can be discarded without further consideration on a whim, and new ones developed.

It should be of very wide interest that the Seal phenomenon (even if accidental) has affected some prominent shakers and movers of the past.

Could you elaborate more on this, please? You're not getting anywhere trying to convince us that your methodology is useful, but this has a much greater potential (and if true, would neatly circumvent the issues raised, because at that point it wouldn't matter if the idea were true or not, only that some historical figure based his/her actions on it). Could you provide some names of historic figures that believed in this, and evidence that they did?

Don't bother with trying to justify your claim that finding random words in artificially manipulated text is important--it's not, you won't convince people otherwise. If you show that the BELIEF that finding random words in artificially manipulated text is important is important, on the other hand (a much easier task, if true), peopel may actually bother with what you have to say.

 

[Marduk]

The Genesis Seal should have intrinsic interest to anyone wanting to know more about human history.

that's funny, you're saying that the bible, which we know was written by people who weren't interested in the truth can tell us about reality.

well it tells us that religious texts are nonsense for sure. It also tells me that you have no ability to rationalise as you are basically saying that the first few words of Genesis were written by God.

but here's a real history lesson for you
Hebrew as a written language didn't exist at the time of the Exodus when the lines you are theorizing about were supposedly written down by Moses, dictated by YHWH, that's just one of many lies in the old testament designed to make the text more important than it otherwise would have been, all ancient scripture does that
so its not supernatural, so if its not supernatural, then you need to read and understand this link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
this is what every other person here has been telling you all the way through, the fact that you have ignored everyone is about as good evidence that can possibly exist that you have succumbed to it, its not part of your reality, so the rational part of your brain is ignoring it. We have seen this behaviour thousands of times in this forum, we are very good at spotting it.

everyone here can see it, wake up and smell the coffee.

 

[Donn]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

 

[dafydd]

What does the bible have to do with human history? You may as well say that the Lord Of The Rings is valuable source of human history.

 

[Dancing David]

Really Kingfisher, where are the names of the angels, seriously or of the prophets or something. If it is divinely inspired it would show that. It should at least have yhvh, adm, hvh and adny

And in all seriousness, you have made the talisman incorrectly, start at the upper corner descend to the left, then go to the second row and on the right and start again descending to the left . The power of yhvh is male and linear it would not loop around like that.

Kids these days, they just don't do anything right...