The Freeman Movement and England

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More foot in mouth from freeman girlgye on Ickes
http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?p=1059780408&postcount=301
In reference to Roger Hayes bankruptcy order
That makes sense now. A black tide against his name to make him look like a criminal to rot his reputation for the rest of his natural borne is something I am very keen to extinguish myself as well as the associated loss and damage that has incurred.

Surely its just a "black tide" (i think she means black mark, but no matter) against his "person"?
A human being is unaffected by bankruptcy as its all to do with commerce.
A FMOTL relinqishes their person and becomes the human being/man so why should they care about bankruptcy?

I think this bankruptcy ruling should be standard procedure for all FMOTLers in future as its stopping them playing the system by giving them a punishment that actually they cant actually moan about and keep their principle intact.
The only thing thats consistant about FMOTL is its inconsistancy.
 
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Fear & loathing on the TPUC Forum

Harris has ordered his moderating tean to ban anyone who dares to mention Raymond St Clair is a notorious conman. The Freemen are leaving in droves. Any ideas what's going on?
 
St Clair is now a member and posting on there.
The mods are leaving now :D

The freeman movement does finally now appear to be over, Menard is clutching at straws, Ickes is now almost deserted save the skeptics, TPUC has all but admitted the stuff doesn't work.
Veronica on fmotl just runs a back patting forum.
no discussion , no debates, no proof.....its over.
 
from TPUC
http://www.tpuc.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=31047
well your clearly trying to stir the pot,arn't you.

should we call you instead JB or one of the many names you use try to stir up things up,

if you realy are the ray sc everyone on here is assuming you likely are, your behaviour so far,in regards to your posts is one of direct provocation,it's childish to say the least, and if you claim to be friend of Johns your certanly not acting in his best interests as a so called friend,but like i suggested could just be another shill takeing an opportunity.

like i said in another post, " you have just shown your true colours ", assuming of course my suspicions are correct.

i would suggest the admin get a grip on this, before a bigger can of worms gets opened.

Ooops..the curse of JB strikes again :D
 
I thought I'd post an update on what has transpired with "my" FoTLer since I last mentioned him. You may recall that I have a matter involving a FoTLer who uses the whole robin's egg blue paper and signing documents with a bloody thumbprint - so a pretty extreme example of the cult membership. My role was to try to get the person to stop sending his blood/biological matter to various people at the police station and the courthouse, and he's stopped doing that now (instead he sends photocopies of his bloody thumbprint-signed stuff and retains his blood-smeared documents himself).

Now, I recognize that this person is not mentally well, and I find that sad, but what I find even sadder is the way these people tend to slide deeper and deeper into this nonsense and how things escalate until they find themselves in much more serious difficulty than they were initially.

In this matter, this person appears to have been fairly normal mentally until recently being introduced to the FoTL woo. He had a fairly normal life; had an apartment, a car, personal belongings, paid his car insurance, paid to update his licence plates, and although he was living on social assistance, seemed not to have any particular difficulties.

Enter the FoTL, and watch the escalation.

This person stops renewing his licence plate validation sticker as required. He gets pulled over for going through a red light and gets a ticket for that, and for having an expired validation sticker. He fails to pay the tickets, fails to show up in court, and gets fined. He starts sending in FoTL screeds (on robin's egg blue paper with bloody thumbprints) and continues to ignore the fines. He files all the usual FoTL mumbo-jumbo crap and continues to ignore the fines. The fines start to pile up (quickly amounting to several hundred dollars worth) and collection procedures are initiated.

He gets deeper and deeper into the woo, and stops renewing his car insurance, and starts parking his vehicle wherever and whenever he wishes, for example, on private property. He continues to drive, again goes through a red light and gets pulled over. This time, he has no car insurance - that offence attracts an automatic $5,000 (yes, five thousand dollar) fine here. Of course, he again files all manner of mumbo-jumbo and doesn't show up in court.

He keeps parking on private property and gets parking tickets that he ignores. He leaves his vehicle on private property for several days, then removes it after getting several tickets but then returns again (so it's apparent that he's seen and received the tickets) and gets ticketed again and eventually the car is towed away.

Now, he has thousands of dollars in unpaid fines, no car, is incurring daily impound charges, refuses to provide the documentation required to have the vehicle returned to him, and is likely to end up vehicle-less, penniless, licence-less, and in jail if he doesn't just stop the madness.

And yet he is not stopping. It's like he cannot see that he is in a downward spiral that will not stop without him just jumping off of the woo train.

Pretty sad.

Once this person's saga is all over, I will post up redacted versions of some of the documents, as some of them are quite breath-taking in their stupidity and quite startlingly contradictory and way, way over the top.

That said, I did find a bit of humour in a 40 paragraph long 'affidavit' that this person sent in with his latest round of woo materials. After rambling on for several pages and claiming that the removal of the vehicle from where it was illegally parked is "theft, similar to stealing a horse', and claiming that each individual who issued parking tickets and the parking authority itself must therefore pay a 'fee' of $100,000 each to this FoTL, this is how the parking tickets are described (all grammatical, spelling, spacing, and punctuation errors are in the original):

FoTL person said:
"Fact, whereas Affiant does not understand any of the plastic yellow things with black print that were left littering on the private property since; a) as they are printed in legalese without any translation or thesaurus, (b) the print is small, and ( c ) is a copy of an original without the original wet signature by the party that attached it to the private property, which were each returned to it's source and originator Conditionally Accepted for Value in order to keep all in honour as of Tuesday March 15, 2011 and as per the Bills of Exchange Act of Canada, and

...

Fact, whereas the plastic litter left by the agents of Municipal Parking System is Not a lawful bill, invoice, bill of lading, and Affiant does not understand anything de facto, as this is all based on fiction and fraud, and

Fact, whereas this geographical area and location is Common Law territory, and the material left littered was done and facilitated under maritime/admiralty legal system whereby private property was on land not water and affiant is adhered to following orders as if on a ship, or part of the ships cargo or as a ships passenger, and

...

Fact, whereas the Affiant is not a lawyer or a member of the law society, and does not understand legalese and or the actions made under the direction made by de facto system made ensure abuse of power is alleviated, and

Respondent's failure to provide the Affiant with a verified rebuttal to this affidavit point-by-point no later than ten (10 days from the date of issuance, or request additional time to comply, will comprise Respondent's agreement with and confession of all facts herein, in perpetuity, the said confession being res judicata and stare decisis.

All words herein are as Affiant defines them.


So, parking tickets are, apparently, "litter" with black print in the world of FoTL on the basis that they are written in 'legalese' which he says he doesn't understand, and yet the 'affidavit' is chock full of legal terms that the fellow bastardizes and full of statutes that he cites when it suits him while simultaneously claiming that statutes do not apply to him.

Bizarre.
 
I thought I'd post an update on what has transpired with "my" FoTLer since I last mentioned him. You may recall that I have a matter involving a FoTLer who uses the whole robin's egg blue paper and signing documents with a bloody thumbprint - so a pretty extreme example of the cult membership. My role was to try to get the person to stop sending his blood/biological matter to various people at the police station and the courthouse, and he's stopped doing that now (instead he sends photocopies of his bloody thumbprint-signed stuff and retains his blood-smeared documents himself).

Now, I recognize that this person is not mentally well, and I find that sad, but what I find even sadder is the way these people tend to slide deeper and deeper into this nonsense and how things escalate until they find themselves in much more serious difficulty than they were initially.

In this matter, this person appears to have been fairly normal mentally until recently being introduced to the FoTL woo. He had a fairly normal life; had an apartment, a car, personal belongings, paid his car insurance, paid to update his licence plates, and although he was living on social assistance, seemed not to have any particular difficulties.

Enter the FoTL, and watch the escalation.

This person stops renewing his licence plate validation sticker as required. He gets pulled over for going through a red light and gets a ticket for that, and for having an expired validation sticker. He fails to pay the tickets, fails to show up in court, and gets fined. He starts sending in FoTL screeds (on robin's egg blue paper with bloody thumbprints) and continues to ignore the fines. He files all the usual FoTL mumbo-jumbo crap and continues to ignore the fines. The fines start to pile up (quickly amounting to several hundred dollars worth) and collection procedures are initiated.

He gets deeper and deeper into the woo, and stops renewing his car insurance, and starts parking his vehicle wherever and whenever he wishes, for example, on private property. He continues to drive, again goes through a red light and gets pulled over. This time, he has no car insurance - that offence attracts an automatic $5,000 (yes, five thousand dollar) fine here. Of course, he again files all manner of mumbo-jumbo and doesn't show up in court.

He keeps parking on private property and gets parking tickets that he ignores. He leaves his vehicle on private property for several days, then removes it after getting several tickets but then returns again (so it's apparent that he's seen and received the tickets) and gets ticketed again and eventually the car is towed away.

Now, he has thousands of dollars in unpaid fines, no car, is incurring daily impound charges, refuses to provide the documentation required to have the vehicle returned to him, and is likely to end up vehicle-less, penniless, licence-less, and in jail if he doesn't just stop the madness.

And yet he is not stopping. It's like he cannot see that he is in a downward spiral that will not stop without him just jumping off of the woo train.

Pretty sad.

Once this person's saga is all over, I will post up redacted versions of some of the documents, as some of them are quite breath-taking in their stupidity and quite startlingly contradictory and way, way over the top.

That said, I did find a bit of humour in a 40 paragraph long 'affidavit' that this person sent in with his latest round of woo materials. After rambling on for several pages and claiming that the removal of the vehicle from where it was illegally parked is "theft, similar to stealing a horse', and claiming that each individual who issued parking tickets and the parking authority itself must therefore pay a 'fee' of $100,000 each to this FoTL, this is how the parking tickets are described (all grammatical, spelling, spacing, and punctuation errors are in the original):




So, parking tickets are, apparently, "litter" with black print in the world of FoTL on the basis that they are written in 'legalese' which he says he doesn't understand, and yet the 'affidavit' is chock full of legal terms that the fellow bastardizes and full of statutes that he cites when it suits him while simultaneously claiming that statutes do not apply to him.

Bizarre.
.....truly astounding....:jaw-dropp

it sounds as thought he is soon to be a freeman in the gaol.

....from FOTL to FITG......
 
I don't know if it's been mentioned before but in case anyone thinks they're just harmless nut-jobs, take a look at the TPUC 'cancer cure con' thread.

One of them asks for alternative advice for his girlfriends stage 3 breast cancer and the scum and morons just flood in:

"The Bio-medical paradigm is a con which only deals with the symptoms not the cures, There's only 3 ways you can get ill and they are 1. lack of food or water. 2. poisoning. 3.stress"
 
thats absolutly shocking, not one person has said, get down the hospital and get all the treatment available???????
He seems to think smoking massive amounts of cannabis is going to do the trick. :mad:
 
Women Rights?

I though I'd showcase a little dollop of stupidity served up by the 'learned' UCADIA 'Professor' Yozhik.

Most people would say when put on the spot about the suffragette movement that it was a thoroughly good thing that corrected a shameful denial of the civil rights of half the adult population at the time. Not according to Professor Yozhik:-

You might want to check out the role of the Fabian Society and the Rockefellers in the suffragette movement before drawing a line in the sand under this one

You have to admit though ... giving women the vote was a piece of genius.
Not only did it decimate the traditional family unit, provide a pole shift in terms of family roles and role models, open the front door for the State to march through to become part of the extended family which has morphed and evolved into the child snatching behemoth that it has become and is witnessed frequently ... but it also doubled the number of taxpayers and increased general revenue potential for the banks, commerce, insurance and other parties to the organised crime of money creation, usury and compounding interest ...

Yep ... who could have thunk it ... who could have ever imagined that the Trojan Horse called "women's rights" was laden with so many toxic elements as to destroy life as we once knew it ...


Where to begin? Well, 'Professor' Yozhik has displayed a shocking ignorance of british social history in implying that prior to the sufragette movement all women obediently stayed at home looking after apple cheeked children. This is to some extent correct as regards middle & upper class women but fails to consider the majority of women - ie the rural and urban working classes. These women worked & not only that they worked in horrible conditions for very long hours for a pittance. A quick flick through Henry Mayhews 'London Labour & London Poor' will confirm this.

Furthermore, 'Professor' Yozhik fails to take into account WW1. 750,000 male workers were permanently taken out the labour market by having the misfortune of getting killed & many, many more were so badly injured they were incapable of ever working again. Whilst, the war was ongoing millions of men were serving overseas & women had to take up the slack.

Instead 'Professor' Yozhik serves up a helping of masogynistic, paranoid, conspiracy riven gibberish. Could we have expected anything else?
 
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In the Yorkshire and Lancashire Mill towns the Wool and Cotton Mills were (apart from some managers and engineers) completely staffed by women.
 
I don't know if anyone else in the UK reads "Viz" comic, but they often have a spoof column in there entitled "Legal advice from the man in the pub". The similarity between this and some of the freedom beliefs is startling. Maybe that's what FOTL is all along, just ideas made up on the spur of the moment in order to suit whoever it is wants to get away with something. Ask the know-it-all in the local pub for advice and he'll tell you the same garbage.
 
If a policeman tries to arrest you , knock his hat off because its a fact that a policeman with no hat on has no powers of arrest. :D
 
That's right, he's out of uniform and if he tries to arrest you then you can arrest him for impersonating a police officer.
 
yes and if you get caught short and there are no toilets available you can demand a policemans hat to cack in, make sure its not an inspectors hat though as there tends to be a risk if soiling your butt cheeks if you have a particularly long turd.
 
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