The Freeman Movement and England

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LightinDarkness said:
Why is it that everytime I offer this simple way for self-proclaimed "Freeman" to silence every critic and have everyone agree with them, they always seem to leave the thread or ignore me?
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Time, my friend, time. There's not enough of it. Just chillax.

LightinDarkness said:
Lets try again. Grndslm, it would be VERY easy for you to prove that your belief system has any basis in law. Please do so:


If you cannot provide even 1 court citation from any country on any matter about anything that shows this, then you should admit your worldview is a delusion and come back to reality.
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If you can show me where the records are of cases that have been dismissed, quashed, or demurred, then you'll have all you need to see.

"Winning" means handling your affairs before trial even comes.

I can show you a case that was dismissed, but you wouldn't believe me, would you?

And for THE LAST TIME, there will be no case where a judge makes a decision based SOLELY on your title. If you can provide such a case, then I will run away forever.

There are many TOOLS that one uses in Law, and the first tool is escaping Titles. You work on being a man and leaving titles for those in society.
 
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grndslm said:
Not anymore...

My thread was closed, because nobody could answer my questions.
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Wow! That's quite the ego you have there.

You don't think it at all possible the thread closure is temporary -- just like the mod box says? And just maybe it was closed for a well-deserved clean-up -- just like the mod box says?
 
grndslm said:
And for THE LAST TIME, there will be no case where a judge makes a decision based SOLELY on your title. If you can provide such a case, then I will run away forever.
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So, that lawsuit against Bill Clinton where a judge ruled it could not proceed while Clinton remained in office, would that one count? Decision...title of President.
 
jsfisher said:
So, that lawsuit against Bill Clinton where a judge ruled it could not proceed while Clinton remained in office, would that one count? Decision...title of President.
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& you can't sue a Judge for negligently fulfilling his judicial function either. Poor old 'grndslm'- he lines 'em & we knock 'em :D
 
gtm said:
& you can't sue a Judge for negligently fulfilling his judicial function either. Poor old 'grndslm'- he lines 'em & we knock 'em :D
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He's an honorable man, though, and true to his word, so he should be donning his Reeboks about now, right?
 
jsfisher said:
He's an honorable man, though, and true to his word, so he should be donning his Reeboks about now, right?
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He shouldn't run away. We so rarely get a genuine live 'freeman' posting here. Before 'grndslm' I was seriously considering asking for volunteers to be a 'freeman' for the day.

To be fair at least 'grndslm' has stuck around & tried to fend off the formidable JREF legal brains trust. I'm a practising Solicitor, D'rok has a law degree & I suspect Cocana & Solzhenitsyn are lawyers as well.
 
gtm said:
He shouldn't run away. We so rarely get a genuine live 'freeman' posting here. Before 'grndslm' I was seriously considering asking for volunteers to be a 'freeman' for the day.

To be fair at least 'grndslm' has stuck around & tried to fend off the formidable JREF legal brains trust. I'm a practising Solicitor, D'rok has a law degree & I suspect Cocana & Solzhenitsyn are lawyers as well.
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Your suspicions are correct in my case.

As you have said, 'grndslm' keeps lining them up for us to hit. Here's another example, in response to LightinDarkness's excellent post about the absence of any authority confirming that the legal system recognises freemen -

If you can show me where the records are of cases that have been dismissed, quashed, or demurred, then you'll have all you need to see.

"Winning" means handling your affairs before trial even comes.

I can show you a case that was dismissed, but you wouldn't believe me, would you?

And for THE LAST TIME, there will be no case where a judge makes a decision based SOLELY on your title. If you can provide such a case, then I will run away forever.

There are many TOOLS that one uses in Law, and the first tool is escaping Titles. You work on being a man and leaving titles for those in society.
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Precisely, grndslm, precisely. There are no records whatsoever of cases being quashed because of "freeman" status (what a misnomer that is). Similarly, his reference to out of court battles is equally ridiculous. If "freeman" status meant anything at all, there would be no battles whatsoever; the challenges would collapse because the "freeman" would be immune to any sort of legal interference. It would be a total defence to anything.

So, surely grndslm you can point to evidence of the legal system collapsing because of someone's "freeman" status? Where is this evidence? There must be something, surely? A paper trail from somewhere? No?

I thought so.
 
Jake Dale said:
i got a feeling menard will still be around. in between appearances by menard, the "contractors" can receive a beating as well. their position is not really fundamentally different from the "consenters".
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http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=158872&page=2

post 15

n the US, a man is his own King
That is the Law

your question

" Why on earth would a dictator establish and enforce legal loopholes which permit people to disobey them? "

allows for men to be Kings over other Kings

Set up an illusion, get busted by a King who knows his Kingdom, pass through the "loophole" justice is served, the man who "knows" go's, those who are ignorant, serve those whom are not

For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him.

As for Egypt, it is but another country being destroyed in the name of democracy, it will soon rule the world, but, under a republic set of laws, again, those who know.....

For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him.

yep, that's justice:rolleyes:
 
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geni said:
Is this some kind of freeman stuff? Since when did we have 300 of them?
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From their website and links it seems they have all the usual symptoms, and they're incompetent. Looks like freemanish delusion to me to me.
 
And the matter is settled with another defeat for the freemen

A "council tax rebel" who tried to have a judge arrested during a court hearing has been declared bankrupt.

Roger Hayes, a member of the anti-establishment British Constitution Group, was £2,061 in arrears after claiming council tax was "illegal".
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-12821062
 
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I like the way his "prior engagement" is a £10 a head presentation by him regarding how not to pay the council tax.

Wonder if he'll tell them that it might involve being declared bankrupt?
 
Tolls said:
I like the way his "prior engagement" is a £10 a head presentation by him regarding how not to pay the council tax.

Wonder if he'll tell them that it might involve being declared bankrupt?
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Well, at least he has a method of not paying council tax that he can quite truthfully describe as being 100% successful (to date, that is).
 
Tolls said:
I like the way his "prior engagement" is a £10 a head presentation by him regarding how not to pay the council tax.

Wonder if he'll tell them that it might involve being declared bankrupt?
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No. You'll need the £25 executive pass to his Inner Circle to receive that privileged information.
 
Poor old Mr Justice Calvert-Smith. No doubt he'll be placed on some kind of Brirish Constitution Group traitor list for daring to make 'Wodger' bankrupt.

As regards the bankrupcy no doubt the debt will be paid & Hayes discharged pretty rapidly (although the Trustee in bankrupcy fees will be hefty :D)
 
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