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Rob Menard has just banned me from World Freeman Society Forums:D

You did better than me on there.
I've just been banned. I made six posts and Menard immediately removed me.
They certainly don't encourage an enquiring mind on that site. It's follow the company policy, or goodnight.
 
Sometimes I wonder how these people find time to do anything other than ban people who ask inconvenient questions. Its speaks volumes about them really.
 
Have you seen the guy on DI forum wanting to get out of a speeding ticket? Reading his comments and the others on the post have left me dumbfounded.

You have to chuckle at wakeupworld's suggestion of how to quash the ticket:

No one was hurt you did NOT break common law so why should your strawman pay? We live in a common law juristiction.

Just send the ticket back and write from bottom left to top right in RED ink the following.

REFUSAL FOR CAUSE
WITHOUT DISHONOUR
WITHOUT PREJUDICE
WITHOUT RECOURSE
NON-ASSUMPSIT

Note the "red ink", and to write from "bottom left to top right".
Where have the FOTL got this idea from that writing at an angle of forty five degrees on a document somehow changes the whole scenario?
 
Apparently the answer to all this is "Common law, policed by peace officers and court dejure is all we need".
 
You have to chuckle at wakeupworld's suggestion of how to quash the ticket:



Note the "red ink", and to write from "bottom left to top right".
Where have the FOTL got this idea from that writing at an angle of forty five degrees on a document somehow changes the whole scenario?

Because a magic spell doesn't work unless performed properly?
 
All of this nonsense stems from the fact that a) "legal loopholes" really do exist, b) "legal loopholes" are common plot devices in TV dramas and c) the use of "legal loopholes" by ne'er-do-wells are often the subject of screeching tabloid reportage.

The whole "philosophy" is based on a tabloid / televisual misunderstanding of how the legal system works.
 
Have you seen the guy on DI forum wanting to get out of a speeding ticket? Reading his comments and the others on the post have left me dumbfounded. I hope to god people like this never prevail.

There is no arguing with most of these freemen people - it is exactly like banging your head against a brick wall.

I think this is why have laws and statutes to prevent the mindless from only obeying laws they deem worthy.

Which as far as I can tell is anything that doesn't cost money.

This Icke thread has moved onto it being ok to drink and drive provided you don't have an accident.:eek:

Would a FOTLer be expected to be asked if he consents to the Fire and Rescue Services Act 2004 which states a fire service must provide rescue services for traffic accidents as he lies mangled in his car, which he crashed due to being drunk but thought it ok because he didn't expect to have an accident whilst being over the limit, or as he lies trapped in his car would he think
"Damn, if only the Government had made a statute that requires the Fire Service to provide rescue services for traffic accidents"

Would he think it ok if the Fire service didn't have the equipment to rescue him because he managed to get out of paying Council Tax, some of which goes to the Fire Service.

Seems to me they want all the benefits of a well regulated orderly society with all the laws and statutes that provide a decent framework for living safely and lawfully but don't want to pay for it if it infringes their Freeman wahoonieness.
 
Here are 2 e-mails sent by Rob Menard

rob m to me

show details May 21 (2 days ago)

Failure to consent to our rules justifies us banning you. None of what you have previously posted will be removed; I shall keep it to show others how idiots act and get themselves banned.

Good Bye.

I replied with
You have just posted the stupid party analogy on your site and it shoots down your own consent argument in flames.
The party (society) objects to imbiciles (you) not consenting and will deal with them regardless of consent.

It has been noted that you are censoring all my posts on your daft site.
Send me some success stories Rob.
JB

his response was
Does it? Or are you no longer there? Reality suggests quite the contrary to what you claim. You are not there are you? Reality bites for you doesn't it? You are no longer in my party or on my forum or at my site, I am still in Canada. REALITY! I can repeatedly kick you off my sites, and neither you nor anyone else can ever kick me out of Canada. See the reality?!? That is the proof of concept and it destroys your argument, as you are no longer there, and I am still here. So enjoy that fact.

If the site is so daft, why do so many like it? Why do you wish to be there? How do you feel getting banned form a site you feel is daft? Does that not make you the daftest of the daft?

So, the society objects to imbeciles such as myself and will deal with me regardless of consent you say? How and when? And what is the name of this society you claim I am a member of and which will deal with me? Another nameless fiction is all you have to offer. How can something that does not exist, (society) harm me in any way? You can't name it, nor claim I am a member of it, so how will they deal with me? Being in my party requires mutual consent. Being a member of society requires mutual consent. Would I have the right to drag you into my party and enforce my party rules on you? Of course not. So how can anyone drag me into their society without consent and enforce their societal rules on me? See it is your position that is blown out of the water. Remember, you are banned and have been removed from my so called daft site. I am still in Canada. See how reality has unfolded to prove you so very very very wrong?

Did you wish me to send you some stories, or do anything for you? IF so you will have to enter into contract with me, identify yourself and pay me. If you do not wish to do those things, then you have nothing of value to offer me, or likely anyone else. I do not take orders from you.

You really are a loser you know. I feel sorry for you. Honestly. You should get help. Maybe take up a hobby that does not involve stalking people on the net...

So where is your forum anyway? I will post my success stories freely there okay? So if you want to see them, get busy! You would have that forum up by now if you were not wasting your time trying to stop mine you know... if you stopped stalking me on the net, and got a life of your own. I know that is likely daunting for you, never having had one...

PS- You have been removed and banned form the forum, and will continue to be removed and banned regardless of what name you sign up under. You stink and I smell you. I know what IP's you use regularly, and your spirit is so offensive that well, spiritually you reek, and I can spot you. So I will continually remove you, or other fools like you. AND I AM STILL IN CANADA NOT CONSENTING NOT BEING REMOVED AND NOT BEING DEALT WITH CAUSE THEY CAN'T DO A DAMN THING LAWFULLY.

SEE HOW THE FACTS SLAP YOU IN THE FACE? Do you like it? Here have some more. I am in Canada. And you are not on my forum. I do not consent to governance, and can't be touched here. You did when you signed up, and could be easily removed. The proof is the fact you are removed, and no longer stinking up the best forum on the web while I am still here and untouched, with no one in the government trying to govern me. Also I am now a sworn Peace Officer, hired directly by the people if Canada so if they try they are in for a world of trouble and trials.

PPS- No one, I mean NO ONE missed you at all. You have nothing of value to offer your fellow man, and even when you were trying to hide your true nature, and its malicious intent, people could still sense your goals were contrary to positive spiritual growth. That is what scares you the most is it not? People are growing spiritually and you feel left behind, cause as a fool, and a narcissist you are incapable of spiritual growth.

Well have a good day. Thanks for writing. I will be blocking your emails now, cause as I said you have nothing of real value to offer anyone. You are a waste of time and energy, though a fun TOOL to sharpen my logical analysis, reasoning and other abilities. I am a sharp knife, and you are a greasy dull abrasive rock, and I use you merely to sharpen myself, then I put you away when I no longer need you and when there is real work to do. Like now.


Non-Consenting Freeman-on-the-Land and Moderator of the BEST FORUM on the WEB! (Best cause Asky ain't there to stink it up with his malicious spirit!!)
:P

PPS- Neener Neener Neener NANA NANA BOO BOO!

I really think that he has convinced himself that he is above the law, whilst obeying the law at every turn.
I particularly liked is PPS.:jaw-dropp
And they wonder why the woo tag is so appropriate.

JB
PS anyone feel like dropping him a line he can be found here
http://www.youtube.com/mrmitee
mrmitee@hotmail.com
 
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Strange rant, it almost sounds like he believes in it himself.
I wonder if he believes in it enough to go to jail over a speeding ticket. :D
 
Rob wrote
So where is your forum anyway? I will post my success stories freely there okay?
If someone could drop him an e-mail and ask him to post them here I would be most grateful.
Tell him I said hello :D

He hasnt even got the nerve to drive let alone get a speeding ticket.
I did ask him to prove his stuff works by driving around in an uninsured untaxed de-registered vehicle and film his encounter with the police but he copped out.
You would think his followers would see that for what it is, but they are so desperate for his nonsense to be true they ignore it.

PS here is Robs "proof" of a fee schedule working.
http://forum.worldfreemansociety.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=5781

Isnt it strange how no one has asked him to provide any court records or case numbers , or even a statement from the party concerned.
Or are they frightened of a ban?
 
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Jargon Buster quoted Menard:

Did you wish me to send you some stories, or do anything for you? IF so you will have to enter into contract with me, identify yourself and pay me.
It's amusing how so called FOTL are always willing to receive that evil corrupt fiat currency.

PPS- Neener Neener Neener NANA NANA BOO BOO!
That just about sums Menard up.
 
Wow - looks like Rob Menard has really gone off the deep end this time. The, really, really deep end. Not sure he will be able to stop himself from hurting someone the next time they don't consent to his legal woo.
 
I have the knack of bringing out the best and worst in people ;)

JB

PS I have just joined freedom rebels
http://www.freedomrebels.co.uk/
This is my first post
Hello all I have started a site called the freemantruthmovement.
http://sites.google.com/site/freemantruthmovement/
Some of you may know me from TPUC or David Ickes site.
The site is designed to show the truth about the freeman movement so keep an eye on it I will be adding more soon.
I wonder how long I will last.
 
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Now Rob wants my site banned. :D
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1058905542#post1058905542

I think this may have set him off
Rob Menard
I will start with Rob Menard as he has just banned me from his World Freeman Society website.
Rob has by his own admission spent 25,000 hours studying the freeman concept but has to date had no success with its methods.
He will of course tell you otherwise, however simply ask him to send you a verifiable story with court records or paperwork to back it up.
I have debated with Rob on several topics on David Ikes Forums here are a couple
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=112022
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=103682
Here is a thread from James Randis Forums
Rob joins the party here http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=155358&page=30 he lasted seven posts before he threw in the towel

Robs arguments are all based on that way he wants the world to be and not how it actually is, which is unfortunate when dealing with a court.
Rob cant practice law of course because he has been banned and costs awarded against him.
Robert Arthur Menard of North Vancouver has been prohibited by the Supreme Court from appearing as counsel, preparing documents for use in proceedings, and identifying himself in any way that suggests he is a lawyer. He was also ordered to pay costs.
http://www.lawsociety.bc.ca/publications_forms/bulletin/2009/09-04-27_upl.html
http://sites.google.com/site/freemantruthmovement/home/the-snake-oil-salesmen
Does this man know no shame.

I pity anyone who stands in his way when he pulls out his peace officers badge.

If he thinks getting my site banned will stop me he doesnt know me at all ;)
JB
PS looks like its backfired on the forst response
 
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"It is not a reasonable request for a number of reasons, foremost being that it allows him to define what is and is not a success, and requires evidence of winning a contest, yet when done properly there simply is none."

lolwut?
 
"It is not a reasonable request for a number of reasons, foremost being that it allows him to define what is and is not a success, and requires evidence of winning a contest, yet when done properly there simply is none."

lolwut?

This one is actually fairly easy to answer. If you finish up in prison, you have won, but THE MAN knows he is beaten, simply will not admit it, and illegally throws you into prison. You have beaten THE MAN.

Of course Menard will not ever admit this, is a totally gutless wonder, and will never try it himself. He simply throws his lab. rats into the courts and then tells them they have won on visits every second Sunday after they BEAT THE MAN and get 90 days for their victory.

norm
 
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