The Freeman Movement and England

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Sledge said:
I always thought The Matrix was a mindless action film with a veneer of philosophy. Yes, I get that some of the names are sorta meaningful if you don't expect too much meaning from them, but the film was basically an extended "we're stuck in the Holodeck" episode of Star Trek crossed with a bit of Terminator. Still, it is useful for spotting the, er... less intellectually gifted. Anyone who tells you The Matrix was a deep film probably isn't going to come out with anything useful or interesting.
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The Matrix film is perfect for 16 year olds who are intellectual wannabes.
You know ,the ones who want to sound like they have profound philosophic insights, but don't want to do the necessary homework to actually have a good knowledge of Philosophy.
 
dudalb said:
The Matrix film is perfect for 16 year olds who are intellectual wannabes.
You know ,the ones who want to sound like they have profound philosophic insights, but don't want to do the necessary homework to actually have a good knowledge of Philosophy.
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It is also great for people who like special effects and are able to ignore philosophic gibberish/pretensions.:)

(I saw it as a cool action movie and ignored the more or less incoherent justification for the story, I think I disconnected at the power from the human body)
 
Arthur Asky said:
Just look at the last paragraph/ About getting Legal education. Does a freeman-on-the-land lawfully need legalty?

Consider where lawful and legal came from.

lawful comes from the divine (see the holy books from which arise the power of law.)
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Which holy books are you claiming the Code of Ur-Nammu comes from?
 
To Lightindarkness this:"Derativa potestas non potest esse major primitiva.
The power which is derived cannot be greater than that from which it is derived". If you can show me where a power is greater than from which it is derived is the case then I would like to know. A human being may create something like a work of art but a work of art cannot create a human being. Therefore the human being is the master not the painting. Do you agree with this Lightindarkness? Or not? I can make five paintings but the paintings cannot make five masters. Do you agree? Or not?



Horatius said:
So, you admit that the entire basis of this FOTL business is your religious convictions?

Would an atheist like me be allowed to be a FOTL?
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Even you as an atheist are a Freeman. If by accidental and not divine intervention you are created you still are equal to all others. Is an athelete supreme over a non-athelete who is more intelligent than the athelete?

Discuss!
 
We can't discuss it, because we don't know what the hell you are talking about.
Fess up, you are trying to run some Andy Kauffman like shtick on us, aren't you?
 
Arthur Asky said:
To Lightindarkness this:"Derativa potestas non potest esse major primitiva.
The power which is derived cannot be greater than that from which it is derived". If you can show me where a power is greater than from which it is derived is the case then I would like to know. A human being may create something like a work of art but a work of art cannot create a human being.
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But it can create a gun, or a car, or other such device. A gun contains more power than a human being.

Even you as an atheist are a Freeman. If by accidental and not divine intervention you are created you still are equal to all others.
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But one of the central tenets of Freeman philosophy is that there is a difference between "legal" and "lawful". This distinction no longer exists if there is no divine source.
 
I have no idea what he is talking about but I would like to point out if his name is a homage to the famous English comedian, star of movies The Ghost Train and Rosie Dixon - Night Nurse, it's actually Arthur Askey.

I thank you.
 
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Arthur Asky said:
To Lightindarkness this:"Derativa potestas non potest esse major primitiva.
The power which is derived cannot be greater than that from which it is derived". If you can show me where a power is greater than from which it is derived is the case then I would like to know. A human being may create something like a work of art but a work of art cannot create a human being. Therefore the human being is the master not the painting. Do you agree with this Lightindarkness? Or not? I can make five paintings but the paintings cannot make five masters. Do you agree? Or not?





Even you as an atheist are a Freeman. If by accidental and not divine intervention you are created you still are equal to all others. Is an athelete supreme over a non-athelete who is more intelligent than the athelete?

Discuss!
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Are we playing football or chess?
 
Ladies and gentlemen I present to you the formidable yozhik, whom I have ignored on the DI forum because of his hysterics, has now come to the JREF forum! I wasn't sure it was him, but the style of "logic" (if you will) is just too similar.

Arthur Asky said:
To Lightindarkness this:"Derativa potestas non potest esse major primitiva.
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This statement has no actual meaning in the law. It is not anything which any court or government uses to determine the law. Its one of these "legal maxims" made up by Freeman on the land woos. Arguing from this point is like arguing from any other false point - its an argument you've already lost.

Tell us first where in the law we see that we must abide by "Derativa potestas non potest esse major primitiva". This is not a principle that anyone believes in except Freemen, who made it up.
 
Arthur Asky said:
Consider where lawful and legal came from.

lawful comes from the divine (see the holy books from which arise the power of law.)

Now check out where puny legal hogwash comes from, man-made RULES.
Then check out this.......

"Derativa potestas non potest esse major primitiva.
The power which is derived cannot be greater than that from which it is derived".[/COLOR]

So work this out........ How can human beings succumb to somethings (i.e. the Legal Statutes) that were made by humans .
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The "holy books" were also made by humans.
 
Sorry for poaching, but I had to nominate the pencil sharpener thing for a stundie. Credit to all those involved.
 
LightinDarkness said:
This is a classic conspiracy theorist propaganda technique: when every single piece of evidence, logic, and reason is against you, start acting like you have tons of inside knowledge that the rest of the sheeple don't - and make sure you quote the Matrix to emphasize this point.
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You can substitute "V For Vendetta" for "The Matrix" if desired.
 
dudalb said:
We can't discuss it, because we don't know what the hell you are talking about.
Fess up, you are trying to run some Andy Kauffman like shtick on us, aren't you?
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Is that the very best you have? I asked the questions and you can't answer them. Oh! Well I'd better look elsewhere for intellect I suppose.
 
commandlinegamer said:
I have no idea what he is talking about but I would like to point out if his name is a homage to the famous English comedian, star of movies The Ghost Train and Rosie Dixon - Night Nurse, it's actually Arthur Askey.

I thank you.
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Not at all I am the original Arthur Asky not as you point out "Askey."

Have you answered my questions? Rhetorical of course! The answer is NO! You are :boxedin:
 
Arthur Asky said:
Is that the very best you have? I asked the questions and you can't answer them. Oh! Well I'd better look elsewhere for intellect I suppose.
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You do realize everyone can see what a huge failure this tactic is, right? You show up to the board and start "asking questions" that contain invalid assumptions. You assume, wrongly, that there is anyone in the law who puts up these latin maxims and treats them as if they were the law itself. The questions you ask with this presumption in mind, therefore, are de facto debunked until you provide the evidence for why this latin maxim is the law.

By the way, to the observers in the thread: Multiply this one by about 20, and you get your average David Icke Freeman on the Land thread.
 
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