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Have any of them ever proved the claims they make? Such as the one here about not paying Council Tax (2nd post)

Just don't pay it and put the money to better use. I have found there are no consequence's to ignoring their correspondence and subsequent liability orders.
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And all those claims of judges "running away" in the posts above?
 
I was confused by Especially's repeated demands for an itemised bill for Council Tax. Every Council I have ever lived with has bombarded me with dead-forests-worth of paper explaining (and indeed in some cases boasting) about what they do with the money. It's all broken down as percentages, with pie charts and all.

They do it with Council Tax, they did it with the Community Charge (a.k.a. the poll tax, which Especially got especially confused about), and they did it with the dear old Rates.

I suppose he could always claim there isn't enough detail. Or that the itemisation is a general thing and not specific to his own personal contribution.

Rolfe.
 
It's sort of interesting; when you start asking them about whether anyone has succeeded in reciting the magic words and not paying, the subject picks up legs and starts running all over the map.

No shortage of "oppression" stories though :D
 
PB2007 said:
Have any of them ever proved the claims they make? Such as the one here about not paying Council Tax (2nd post)
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Look further down the thread.

Not amused said:
when I was in the system I refused to pay the poll tax,I was taken to court and received a government ccj, this stopped me from getting any form of credit, I could not even open a bank account, in the end I had to pay up so I could move house, I was on the debtors register for 5 years after paying up.
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Rolfe.
 
Rolfe said:
Look further down the thread.
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"I dont WANT any of those benefits that the council tax pays for."
Really? Not the school you were educated in (poorly, it turns out)? The fire brigade? The roads? Your bins collected once a week? Your local streets cleaned? Really?!

What a bunch of childish, anti-social cry-babies!
 
Rolfe said:
Look further down the thread.


Rolfe.
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Ah well seeing as i was looking for an example where it "worked" you can understand why i missed that. :rolleyes:

This thread is particularly amusing. Someone trying to gt out of his mortgage by paying it with Lebanon £ instead of £ sterling. Oh and the contract (mortgage) is invalid as the Bank Of England doesn't use the Gold Standard....
 
PB2007 said:
Ah well seeing as i was looking for an example where it "worked" you can understand why i missed that. :rolleyes:

This thread is particularly amusing. Someone trying to gt out of his mortgage by paying it with Lebanon £ instead of £ sterling. Oh and the contract (mortgage) is invalid as the Bank Of England doesn't use the Gold Standard....
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But where is the bank's consideration, Mr Know-it-All? Sorry? What? That piddly £135,000 loan facility is meant to be consideration? Huh! I'll want something more substantial than that before I, err, start paying it back.
 
Tricky said:
Please discuss the topic, not other members.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Tricky
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Sorry, Tricky - could you clarify what you mean? Current topic of discussion seems to be totally on-topic: the Freeman on the Land movement in England (as represented in discussions on their own forum).

Or did some posts get moved?
 
Read through some more of the Icke threads on that forum. It's very sad really; perfectly (theoretically) sane people taking complete leave of their common sense. It also seems most of them have very little money, property, etc. -- except the few who admit to only discussing FOTL stuff 'in theory' rather than put it into practice. Also unsurprising.

Wasn't there one poster on JREF once who claimed to pay no income tax at all, and then it was discovered they were working for something like $15k a year under the table? (In other words: sufficiently small-potatoes that it'd cost the IRS more to investigate and prosecute than it could ever get back)
 
Darat said:
I feel really, really sorry for her - it's bad enough to be someone spouting off about all this "freeman" nonsense but to actually listen and then act on it...
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Poor girl. This from July.

girlgye said:
The situation is. I cannot claim benefits. I now cannot in my strawman terms use my ride and officially then cannot work. So now I'm faced with lock down and the inevitable shoot out. eff em. I couldn't give a toss either. I read that 55,000 in the UK have swine flu now and the number of dead is gonna total that in the winter. blah de bloody blah. Prison or death by swine flu those are my choices. Bring it on.
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If she really believes that, what a terrible world she's living in - all inside her head. How many people have had swine flu, and hardly knew they were ill?

Rolfe.
 
volatile said:
Sorry, Tricky - could you clarify what you mean? Current topic of discussion seems to be totally on-topic: the Freeman on the Land movement in England (as represented in discussions on their own forum).

Or did some posts get moved?
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If you look further back, we were talking about Especially. Which was Bad. And Wrong.

But we aren't talking about him now, we're talking about the batcrap crazy on the David Icke forum. Which is Good. And Hilarious. (If some of it wasn't so sad.)

Rolfe.
 
From a read of those forums, it's quite surprising how many of these people who claim to hate the oppressive government are also in receipt of state benefits!
 
I can't bring myself to wade through the drivel on that forum. Anyone know what the latest is on that woman about to be jailed over a driving offence?
 
Been to jail, served her time, released yesterday.

Poor girl. She's swallowed the entire thing; hook, line, sinker and rowboat, and she's busy ruining her life over it.

Rolfe.
 
I think that's right. It was originally about not paying her road tax, or something like that, but then her behaviour over that led her into contempt of court.

Rolfe.
 
Originally Posted by PB2007
Ah well seeing as i was looking for an example where it "worked" you can understand why i missed that.

Sorry, scientist here. I was taking "proved" in the sense of "tested".
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Perhaps i should have said "proven" then?

Hope you didn't take all that the wrong way BTW. Looking back it's just meant to be a light hearted comment and perhaps not as sarcastic as it sounds....
 
It was originally about not paying her road tax, or something like that
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I read another thread about GirlGye where they were discussing how they de-register their cars with DVLA so they are no longer "State Property" and then basically drive with no insurance or tax. She was arrested for having no road tax or insurance on a previous occasion. Thread is not to hand at the minute....

This time it's a contempt of court charge during her Council Tax trial. She tried to tape the proceedings.
 
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