The Freeman Movement and England

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jargon buster said:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=116088&page=2
Success in Ireland using the 5 letters to extinguish debt...

At 7:21pm on May 15, 2010, fitz of the clan of man said…
That remedy is magic thank you so much. peace and prosperity to you
saor go deo mo chara

At 8:35pm on May 15, 2010, fitz of the clan of man said…
it has worked jackie, it was a 4000 loan I already paid half and discharged the other half, after a lot of back and forth I finaly did get into the bank but the document didnt look like a passport with a load of stamps, just 3 stamps from different branches of the same bank and another one I couldnt make out but i assumed it too be the central bank, I signed in blue and wrote paid in full parralel at 45 degrees across the front page of the document. I was thinking the bank actually ended up with more money than if I continued to pay it off. as well as signing the original form they got 2000 of me in the last year am i correct in thinking that what was a 4grand loan ended up in the bank actualy making six when all they should have made was 4g. anyway friend you are a diamond and your post has removed weight from around my neck. I also told the manager that this does not effect me getting another loan and he chuckled at me and said mortgage too. Amazing, Peace and thanks again for posting this if more people would do it we could make some real waves
http://freemanireland.ning.com/
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So thats clear then :rolleyes:
JB
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Did he also light a red candle by the light of a full moon and chant "Onmi mea requiem"? That might help, too.
 
'I also told the manager that this does not effect me getting another loan and he chuckled at me and said mortgage too.'

If I were a betting man I'd say Mr Bank Manager was having a wry larff at the Irish Freeman. He's defaulted on the loan & can expect something nasty in the post.
 
Let me get this straight - "fitz of the clan of man" believes that, because he's given the bank a letter with his angled scrawl upon it, his bank loan is i) Not merely paid off, but ii) Gives the bank even more money than his repayments would have been?
Also, if he thinks a bank lends out £4K and should therefore only ever get £4K back, then he and reality are going to make an unpleasant acquaintance in the near future. I only hope some Irish members of the legal system join JREF to post details.

Oh, and re "i was wondering what would be the essentials for possible future visit to prison" - in his case, a tub of Vaseline.
 
I use to teach banking and most managers are taught not to confront or upset a 'difficult' customer. The usual response to bizzarre behaviour like this is to write a few letters and if no response sell off the loan to a loan collector. This loan is so small they would probably just write it off - while sending a 'death stroke' rocket to the credit agencies.
 
tsig said:
Try this:

Every American will be forced to register or suffer being able to work and earn a living. They will be
our chattels (property) and we will hold the security interest over them forever, by operation of the law
merchant under the scheme of secured transactions. Americans, by unknowingly or unwittingly delivering
the bills of lading (Birth Certificate) to us will be rendered bankrupt and insolvent, secured by their pledges.
They will be stripped of their rights and given a commercial value designed to make us a profit and
they will be none the wiser, for not one man in a million could ever figure our plans and, if by accident one
or two should figure it out, we have in our arsenal plausible deniability.


http://freemanireland.ning.com/forum/topics/court-cases-emphasis-on-eire

Well they got that right.
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I think they mean "deniable plausibility".
 
The quote is alledgedly from Colonel Edward Mandel House

Very soon every American will be required to register their biological property in a national system designed to keep track of the people and that will operate under the ancient system of pledging. By such methodology, we can compel people to submit to our agenda, which will affect our security as a charge back for our fiat paper currency.

Every American will be forced to register or suffer being able to work and earn a living. They will be our chattels (property) and we will hold the security interest over them forever, by operation of the law merchant under the scheme of secured transactions. Americans, by unknowingly or unwittingly delivering the bills of lading (Birth Certificate) to us will be rendered bankrupt and insolvent, secured by their pledges.

They will be stripped of their rights and given a commercial value designed to make us a profit and they will be none the wiser, for not one man in a million could ever figure our plans and, if by accident one or two should figure it out, we have in our arsenal plausible deniability. After all, this is the only logical way to fund government, by floating liens and debts to the registrants in the form of benefits and privileges.

This will inevitably reap us huge profit beyond our wildest expectations and leave every American a contributor to this fraud, which we will call 'Social Insurance'. Without realising it, every American will unknowingly be our servant, however begrudgingly. The people will become helpless and without any hope for their redemption and we will employ the high office (presidency) of our dummy corporation (USA) to foment this plot against America
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It was from a PRIVATE meeting with Woodrow Wilson, so who wrote it down and revealed it to the world.
I rather doubt two men having a private meeting would be taking minutes.
Another urban myth methinks

JB
 
Hans said:
I use to teach banking and most managers are taught not to confront or upset a 'difficult' customer. The usual response to bizzarre behaviour like this is to write a few letters and if no response sell off the loan to a loan collector. This loan is so small they would probably just write it off - while sending a 'death stroke' rocket to the credit agencies.
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An interesting insight - could you detail a bit more about the loan collectors and what they do, and what a "death stroke" is? - although I have a sneaky idea already.
 
Comsat Angel said:
An interesting insight - could you detail a bit more about the loan collectors and what they do, and what a "death stroke" is? - although I have a sneaky idea already.
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In the UK debt collectors generally make a nuisance of themselves - letters, repeated phone calls, doorstep visits & as a last resort Court Action.

The death stroke (I assume) involves putting a really adverse entry on the debtors credit file.
 
Death stroke would be a note to the credit agencies that the loan was deemed uncollectivable due to an 'unforced' decision to renege for religious, political or other non-financial reasons. Essentially suggesting no further loans be given. The laws have changed over the years and such a note could probably not be written now but the credit number would sink very low for a number of years.

That 'quote' sounds extremely wooish
 
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Hans said:
That 'quote' sounds extremely wooish
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As do nearly all of the purported "I'd have got away with it if it weren't for those meddling kids and their stupid dog"- style quotes that litter the conspiracist catechism.

In this case, it's obviously impossible to prove that he never said or wrote it, but quite a bit of material written by House including his private papers can easily be found online, as can his only novel and it doesn't take a mental giant to see that the purported quote is absolutely, diametrically opposed to every opinion he ever expressed in writing, public or private, as well as to everything he worked for politically, which was essentially the Progressive agenda as it existed at the turn of the 20th Century.
 
jimbob said:
I guess that you live just off the road that joins Station Road (but which itself would give you the name of the village)

(That should be verifiable by Rolfe, but still won't help with a google search, unlike the name of the farm that is nearby, which is a googlewack)

[hotreading]"I'm getting a compass point in the address..."[/hotreading]
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It's not only a googlewhack, it's my email address, so we'll just stop there, OK? :D

Bang on, anyway. Not that Especially is ever going to get it.

Rolfe.
 
http://www.metro.co.uk/weird/118481-chicken-manure-catapult-misfires

Lets hope this guy doesnt stumble across a freeman website
Its well worth a read.
A demonstration of a chicken manure catapult backfired for a former stuntman.

Joe Weston-Webb, 70, decided to protect his business with a human catapult that fires chicken manure to deal with any would-be vandals.

But it didn't go quite according to plan for the pensioner who had summoned local reporters and television crews from as far away as Germany to see a live firing of the catapult.

It failed to spray chicken manure far and wide.

Instead the bag of manure landed in a heap six feet from the truck specially adapted to do the job at his business, which is situated in the shadow of Ratcliffe-on-Soar power station in south Nottinghamshire.

He had been motivated to bring the giant rusting catapult back into action after arsonists set his offices alight last month, causing £2,000 worth of damage.

"I am a bit disappointed," said the eccentric businessman, who previously used the contraption to fling his wife Mary - a self-proclaimed stuntwoman - across the River Avon.

He added: "I thought it would have gone a bit further than that. We obviously need more power. I have broken the elastic so we will have to go back to the drawing board."

Realising the anti-climax, Mr Weston-Webb turned on his heels and marched the pack of reporters to his office, where he had a miniature version capable of firing eggs on standby.

That demonstration was more successful, with a cameraman having to duck two flying eggs.

"It brings a whole new meaning to the term free-range," said Mr Weston-Webb. He is now thinking about marketing the device on his website at a cost of £50 each.

But not everyone has been so impressed with his desire to daub anyone caught breaking into his property with chicken manure.

After Mr Weston-Webb outlined his intentions 10 days ago - which had originally included adapting a human cannon to fire a sharpened railway sleeper (he still wants to fit it with a Taser) - Notts Police sent round two armed officers to remind him what the law considered to be reasonable grounds for self-defence.

The businessman, who manufactures flooring for Strictly Come Dancing, said: "We had armed police here. They were quite friendly but they were bristling with guns. They said they didn't want to stop the fun, but they said if I shot anybody they would lock me up.

"The Fire Brigade are worried about coming down here. I was going to put a railway sleeper in the cannon but then that would have killed a guy.

"I still plan to put a rubber sucker on the end of it. I am trying to get the police to let me fit a taser gun to it."

Asked whether he had considered the legality of such a move, the president of the British Goldfish Racing Association, replied: "Everything is illegal. If I punch you when you are trying to rob me then it is my fault."

While Notts Police may be unimpressed, producers at the German television station ARD sent a team specially to cover today's demonstration.

Gehard Elfers, a producer at the station, said: "It's a fine example of English eccentricity. They are fantastic pictures for TV. Throwing a catapult is like the old adventure movies.

"Somebody standing up for their civil rights in such a spectacular way is quite extraordinary, especially for a German."
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http://www.grumpyjoe.co.uk/
He actually has his own site.
JB
 
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After Mr Weston-Webb outlined his intentions 10 days ago - which had originally included adapting a human cannon to fire a sharpened railway sleeper (he still wants to fit it with a Taser) - Notts Police sent round two armed officers to remind him what the law considered to be reasonable grounds for self-defence.
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Ya know, if I were to be hit with a cannon-launched railway tie, I don't think I'd really notice if a taser were attached.
 
it looks like I wont need to bother starting a site to debunk this freeman nonsense after all
http://www.fmotl.com/forum/index.php
Veronica has throw his toys out of the pram and TPUC and Ickes are talking about Saturn worship or nothing at all.
This is the latest post on Ickes
Hi everyone, new to this freeman stuff, have been reading 'freedom is more than just a seven letter word' and it's very informative, however it doesn't quite solve the issue my GF is facing.

She is a student, who was living with two other girls and a bloke in a shared house.

The two girls went on the rag about some nonsense, complaining about everything they possibly could and ended up moving out. There wasn't any <i>real</i> problems, one of them was a stubborn northern girl and the other was just a sheeple idiot whose consumed far too much aspartame in her life to think for herself so followed just followed along.

My GF has recently recieved the electricity and gas bills, and the bloke she's living with and the moanarse northern girl have paid but the stupid girl isn't replying to my GFs messages and completely igoring her. Last time they spoke she said she'd paid, but it turns out she hasn't.

My GF has been forced to pay because the electricity company said they'd send the bailiffs round, which isn't something that worries me as I'm pretty sure i could help her handle it. They then threatened to cut off the electricity and gas, which wouldn't be fair on the new housemates.

Unfortunately, while the stupid girls name is down on the houses contract and there is undeniable proof she lived there, it isn't down on the electricity contract.

What can she do to ensure that she gets the money back?
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:jaw-dropp:D

JB
 
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