tusenfem
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I have heard it mention and it is an interesting vid, but then why are there dozens and dozens of CMEs without any comet being in the neighbourhood.
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I have heard it mention and it is an interesting vid, but then why are there dozens and dozens of CMEs without any comet being in the neighbourhood.
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Oh I know; I know! *waves hand*
Is it because the sun can produce CMEs all by itself, and there are so many comets and CMEs that by random chance alone one will eventually get in the way of the other.
The claim isn't that sun grazing comets are the ONLY trigger for CME's but that they have OFTEN done so.
Taking an analogy from gliding and what triggers thermals to detach from the ground and start rising. There are many causes ... one being, a glider disturbing the thermal as it lands and triggering its rise into the air. The cause of more than a few accidents btw.
Our World is Changing: Looking Beyond 'the 2012'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woVitezc-zU&list=TLvBHVz0vdN2Q
See below the vid for the full list of sources, some of the links have been discontinued.
DeiRenDopa
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Repeating the same words, over and over, doesn't make it so, Haig.
So, where did you read a quantitative analysis of this? One in which:
a) "sun grazing comet" was first defined carefully
b) ditto "CME"
c) ditto "trigger"
d) a consistent observational basis was described, so that one can tell - independently - if the observation is of a sun grazing comet and of a CME
e) a complete list of all observations used in the analysis
f) a summary table containing numbers, such as a 2X2 one with #CMEs as columns, and #sun grazing comets as rows.
My guess is that the time it would take to do such an analysis would be less than (or perhaps comparable to) that taken to make the video.
Why have you not done such an analysis of this, Haig? Why has no EU/EC/ES fan?
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Thornhill never claimed to know Maxwell's equations, and as tusenfem has pointed out, the evidence is that Scott doesn't (despite his claim to the contrary).
In fact, no actual "EU researcher" - who is also promoting the "Electric Comet Theory" - has demonstrated such an understanding.
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(bold added)You have to do you own digging a bit ...
From the link I posted ... http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/electric_universe/esp_electricuniverse21.htm
read past 1872? 1882?... to Ralph E. Juergens and others ... http://www.kronos-press.com/juergens/k0801-electric-i.htm
http://electric-cosmos.org/sun.htm
The electric comet and the electric sun ... follow from each other
I think you made an even bolder claim, Haig, but I can't find it just now. Something to the effect of "if the Sun is not powered primarily by external electric currents, then the electric comet theory is dead".
Never mind; let's see if Haig can identify who wrote this (I'll provide the source later):
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I sing the body electric.
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If that is the same video, you need to stop linking to it.
Funny how you can't seem to state the evidence.
Dancing David
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Still no evidence, especially that it is not just chance.
Funny, do you even know how many sun grazing comets there are, I bet yu don't.
I wonder how many are associated with CMEs?
And then I anticipate your special pleading even more.
You can't even state the alleged evidence.
Another video! Thanks Haig! I'm sure that this is exactly what I requested in the post just before yours.
Reality Check
Penultimate Amazing
Electric comets still do not exist
No answer to the simple facts:
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The Thunderbolts team are just repeating the same ignorance of science and even English: They think that "before he impact" means "at the impact"
:
The lies, failures and successes of Thunderbolts Deep Impact predictions.
Actually I did and we get the same insanity from them!
No answer to the simple facts:
- Comets have measured densities that are much less than that of rocks (asteroids).
- Comets may not have the composition of asteroids
- Deep Impact confirmed that comet nuclei are made of dust and ice not rock. There were a couple of surprises in that the dust was talcum powder rather than sand and the amount of ice was smaller than expected.
"Analysis of data from the Swift X-ray telescope showed that the comet continued outgassing from the impact for 13 days, with a peak five days after impact. A total of 5 million kilograms (11 million pounds) of water[35] and between 10 and 25 million kilograms (22 and 55 million pounds) of dust were lost from the impact."WP
Thus the water content of Comet Tempel 1 is 20% to 50%. - Cometary dust as collected by the Stardust mission contain forms of carbon that are not in meteorites.
- Electric Comets I
- Electric Comets II: References
- Electric Comets III: No EU X-rays (actually no EU X-ray bursts).
- The EC assumption of EDM machining does not produce jets.
- EDM in the EC idea needs a dielectric material which does not exist!
- No EDM sparks are seen in images of comet nuclei.
- No EDM hot spots are seen in thermal maps of Tempel 1.
- Voltage potentials are many orders of magnitude too small.
- EC predicts that 100,000's of asteroids should be comets
- Water, water everywhere (except in the EC idea)
- EC proponents have the delusion that argument by YouTube video is somehow scientific !
- EC proponents may think that EC comets switch off at perihelion?
Wow - try learning to read, Haig
!The Thunderbolts team are just repeating the same ignorance of science and even English: They think that "before he impact" means "at the impact"
:The lies, failures and successes of Thunderbolts Deep Impact predictions.
Reality Check
Penultimate Amazing
Oh dear - is this another EC proponent delusion, Haig?
This looks like the delusion that science stopped in 1872, 1882 or some other date
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Penultimate Amazing
What a surprisingly relevant answer, Haig
Originally Posted by tusenfem
(my bold)
You mean there is an electric comet theory?
Could you please point us to this published paper?
I have never ever seen anything quantitative, only handwaving, but hey I am willing to be surprised.
- No published paper!
- No quantitative results from EC!
- Plenty of hand waving!
- The inanity of linking to a table of contents!
- And of course ignoring the insanity of the electric universe crank web site !
Electric comets still do not exist!or you could watch and comment on their video, it's published there too
Reality Check
Penultimate Amazing
Gees, Haig, a double dose of ignorance
- correlation does not mean causation.
- one example is not even correlation!
Electric comets still do not exist!
Reality Check
Penultimate Amazing
Wrong, Haig - without any actual scientific analysis it is not a claim - it is a fantasy.
And even more wrong, Haig:
Electric comets still do not exist!
We do not need a link to a dumb EU video to know that there science does progress
.I got to the part where it said "I'm pretty sure Aricebo is the source of all tropical storms these days" and laughed my posterior off.
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Even more importantly, you missed the video's references to actual books. About thirteen minutes in, he picks up book after book, showing their covers to the camera. I jotted down a couple of titles:
Had you listened a few seconds more, you'd have heard references to HAARP, which I believe to be an actual scientific experiment of some sort.
Even more importantly, you missed the video's references to actual books. About thirteen minutes in, he picks up book after book, showing their covers to the camera. I jotted down a couple of titles:
- B V Raman. Astrology in Predicting Weather and Earthquakes. UBS Publishers' Distributors, 2007.
- John Nelson. Cosmic Patterns. American Federation of Astrologers Inc, 1974.
Oh yeah, I noticed that right afterward. I watched the whole thing. The Woo is strong with that one. I caught the HAARP references. It is an actual experimental station for high-frequency uses of the ionosphere. That doesn't prevent all kinds of wooists and conspiracy theorists from claiming that HAARP is responsible for all kinds of calamities and disasters, though.
I may have to watch more videos from that guy, but he seems to have quite a following of joiners. There's a lot of doom and gloom within.
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