The Electric Comet theory

[Vermonter]

I always love the Electric Cosmos crowd. "This one thing doesn't make sense / we don't understand / misunderstood it, therefore we must re-write physics and cosmology to fit our pre-existing conclusions!"

Man. If I could do that and pass my science classes by making up hooey. That would be awesome.

 

[Haig]

I always love the Electric Cosmos crowd. "This one thing doesn't make sense / we don't understand / misunderstood it, therefore we must re-write physics and cosmology to fit our pre-existing conclusions!"

Man. If I could do that and pass my science classes by making up hooey. That would be awesome.

We all have our opinions

Here's one from the video comments:-

allrelated1 32 minutes ago
Seems unbelievable that scientist at NASA after 20 years will ignore the truth of the electric universe staring them in the face. What is the fear of, loosing their jobs? Science is an evolution not a fixed dogma. We only know possibly 4% of what is there to know..

http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=34wtt2EUToo

 

[Dancing David]

You don't think Tim Thompson or Travis Rector are real scientists? both have "reviewed" the the vid on youtube. Travis got upset by the 5sec use of one of his images and had the vid pulled off youtube ... unfairly as it turned out.

Fair Use: Now More Imperative Than Ever http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/2013/08/20/fair-use/

The Thunderbolts team got it reinstated by arguing this case:-


Hey btw tusenfem is Tim or Travis your "friend of a friend" source for that vid transcript? the one that has important stuff missing, like the Sun

You important stuff is missing like any data and evidence.

So why are only four of the main belt asteroid showing comas? Out of hundreds in the exact same areas of space.

Why do asteroids with exact same obits and comets not show comas.

You can roll you eyes it just shows all you have is a rhetorical appeal to emotion.

 

[Dancing David]

Ahem, I don't have any theory on it .... but Thunderbolts do.

Why don't you put your suggestion to them on the comments for the video?

I'm sure they will explain to you why they are doing it this way

The Electric Comet | Full Documentary http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34wtt2EUToo

So there is no evidence you can offer?

So why are only four of the main belt asteroid showing comas? Out of hundreds in the exact same areas of space.

There are videos that claim President Obama wasn't born in the US, so what.

So you admit there is no data?

 

[Dancing David]

We all have our opinions

Here's one from the video comments:-

http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=34wtt2EUToo

That is not evidence which supports the EC.

So why are only four of the main belt asteroid showing comas? Out of hundreds in the exact same areas of space.

 

[Haig]

So there is no evidence you can offer?

So why are only four of the main belt asteroid showing comas? Out of hundreds in the exact same areas of space.

There are videos that claim President Obama wasn't born in the US, so what.

So you admit there is no data?

That is not evidence which supports the EC.

So why are only four of the main belt asteroid showing comas? Out of hundreds in the exact same areas of space.

You important stuff is missing like any data and evidence.

So why are only four of the main belt asteroid showing comas? Out of hundreds in the exact same areas of space.

Why do asteroids with exact same obits and comets not show comas.

You can roll you eyes it just shows all you have is a rhetorical appeal to emotion.

You seem to have a short memory DD we have had this exchange many times.

Once more from what I understand of the EU theory. imo It's charge difference. and that can happen many ways... one example from below "Cometary effects may also be expected from an asteroid if it passes through the huge electric comet tail [called the magnetosphere] of a giant planet."

When Asteroids Become Comets

In the electric view, there is no fundamental distinction between a comet and an asteroid, apart from their orbits. Comets are not primordial objects formed by impact accretion – an improbable and unfalsifiable model (“it happened long, long ago and far, far away”). Asteroids, comets and meteorites are all 'born' in interplanetary electrical events. Their distinctive orbital groupings and spectral features simply point to separate catastrophic events and to different planetary bodies involved in different phases of solar system history.

A comet is simply an electrical display and was recognized as such by scientists in the 19th century. So an 'asteroid' on a sufficiently elliptical orbit will do precisely what a comet does—it will discharge electrically. What distinguishes the cometary 'asteroids', observed by the University of Hawaii astronomers, are the paths they follow, moving them through the radial electric field of the Sun to a greater extent than is typical of other bodies in the 'asteroid belt' (See chart above). Cometary effects may also be expected from an asteroid if it passes through the huge electric comet tail [called the magnetosphere] of a giant planet.

The astronomers’ recent investigation only reinforces the argument of the electrical theorists: The electric model is eminently testable, with highly specific and unique predictions; and it has so far met every test provided by the space age.

http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2006/arch06/060407cometasteroid.htm

 

[Dancing David]

You seem to have a short memory DD we have had this exchange many times.

Once more from what I understand of the EU theory. imo It's charge difference. and that can happen many ways... one example from below "Cometary effects may also be expected from an asteroid if it passes through the huge electric comet tail [called the magnetosphere] of a giant planet."

When Asteroids Become Comets

http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2006/arch06/060407cometasteroid.htm

Yup and you are still wrong, the four bodies in question pass through the same areas of space that the ones without comas do, so how can there be a charge difference?

The fact that you did not answer the question then and now is duly noted.

In other words you can't explain why the hundreds of asteroids that pass through the same regions of space as the four with comas, don't have comas.

By your theory they should all have comas or none should.

So why are only four of the main belt asteroid showing comas? Out of hundreds in the exact same areas of space.

There are hundreds of asteroids the same orbits that would pass through the same magic planetary magnetosphere, as the four that show comas, but they don't.

So why are only four of the main belt asteroid showing comas? Out of hundreds in the exact same areas of space.

So is other asteroids pass through the exact same region of space but don't have comas?

Why is that?

"The electric model is eminently testable, with highly specific and unique predictions"

Yup and one of them is that the other asteroids that orbit through the same regions as the four with comas, should also have comas.

Why don't they Haig?

 

[Vermonter]

I watched that entire Electric Comet documentary. In it, I heard a lot of "if"s. Did the producers even bother asking the scientists involved in the Deep Impact or NeXT projects? There's nothing substantial here, it's all supposition and "this cannot be coincidence". There's not attempt to even create a model, just "scientists are wrong, therefore electric". It's rather dishonest and intellectually bankrupt.

 

[Haig]

Yup and one of them is that the other asteroids that orbit through the same regions as the four with comas, should also have comas.

Why don't they Haig?

Well DD it's in the example I gave you ... let me bold it for you ...

one example from below "Cometary effects may also be expected from an asteroid if it passes through the huge electric comet tail [called the magnetosphere] of a giant planet."

That's how the asteroid can pick up charge but not every one has sufficient charge difference to enter "glow mode" ie produce a coma. Others stay in "dark mode"
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2006/arch06/060407cometasteroid.htm

It's a lot like the Earth and ALL the other planets of the solar system having a magnetosphere because they are charged bodies moving in the electric field of the Sun. The charge difference is only sufficient for dark mode. The Sun has it's Heliosphere because it's a charged body moving in the electric field of our arm of the Milky Way (our galaxy) but the Sun has sufficient charge difference to enter glow mode, and produce the corona.

 

[tusenfem]

So there is no evidence you can offer?

So why are only four of the main belt asteroid showing comas? Out of hundreds in the exact same areas of space.

There are videos that claim President Obama wasn't born in the US, so what.

So you admit there is no data?

Unfortunately, Haig is just the messenger, and a bad one at that.
He has nothing, will just repeat and repeat his mantra.
Haig has no answers, and does not want to ask for answers at thunderdolts.
It is much much safer to just claim thunderdolts have the answer (which they do not), youtube is a real "scientific review" of a video which is made for a layman, etc.

 

[Dancing David]

Well DD it's in the example I gave you ... let me bold it for you ...

one example from below "Cometary effects may also be expected from an asteroid if it passes through the huge electric comet tail [called the magnetosphere] of a giant planet."

Yup and all those asteroids that go through that 'huge electric comet tail' and don't show comas, when there are four that show comas regardless of where they are in their robit.

EC is wrong.

That's how the asteroid can pick up charge but not every one has sufficient charge difference to enter "glow mode" ie produce a coma. Others stay in "dark mode"
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2006/arch06/060407cometasteroid.htm

Now that is special pleading, what makes one get a charge when another, just the same, same orbit same magnetosphere, doesn't?

That is special pleading.

So there are four taht show comas, regardless of where they are in their orbit, but some magic unkown force makes them glow.

Fairies?

It's a lot like the Earth and ALL the other planets of the solar system having a magnetosphere because they are charged bodies moving in the electric field of the Sun. The charge difference is only sufficient for dark mode.

Why just those four haig, when there are hundreds that should pick up the exact same charge difference.

The Sun has it's Heliosphere because it's a charged body moving in the electric field of our arm of the Milky Way (our galaxy) but the Sun has sufficient charge difference to enter glow mode, and produce the corona.

Yup, lets see , you do know that if the sun had enough charge to glow, the charge on teh particles would repulse each other right?

So a charge to make the sun glow?

What units of electrical flow needed to produce sunlight?

How much repulsion between the particles of the sun?

You do know that a charge sufficient to make the sun glow would blow it apart?

I can post Ziggy if you don't believe me.

 

[tusenfem]

one example from below "Cometary effects may also be expected from an asteroid if it passes through the huge electric comet tail [called the magnetosphere] of a giant planet."

That's how the asteroid can pick up charge but not every one has sufficient charge difference to enter "glow mode" ie produce a coma. Others stay in "dark mode"
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2006/arch06/060407cometasteroid.htm

It's a lot like the Earth and ALL the other planets of the solar system having a magnetosphere because they are charged bodies moving in the electric field of the Sun. The charge difference is only sufficient for dark mode. The Sun has it's Heliosphere because it's a charged body moving in the electric field of our arm of the Milky Way (our galaxy) but the Sun has sufficient charge difference to enter glow mode, and produce the corona.

HAHAHAHAHHAHAAH rotflol!
now please come up with a model for this comic relief

 

[Andy_Ross]

When you read through this thread you see why the EU Theory is banned from the Cosmoquest ATM Forum unless the OP of a thread can show some substantial New support that hasn't so far been used.

 

[ben m]

It's a lot like the Earth and ALL the other planets of the solar system having a magnetosphere because they are charged bodies moving in the electric field of the Sun. The charge difference is only sufficient for dark mode. The Sun has it's Heliosphere because it's a charged body moving in the electric field of our arm of the Milky Way (our galaxy) but the Sun has sufficient charge difference to enter glow mode, and produce the corona.

This is why I love electric universe theory. The only way to pack more hilarious wrongness into one paragraph is to get Fox News to cover the YouTube comments on an ancient-aliens video.

I would love to have an actual "EU researcher", like Thornhill or Scott, show up and attempt to defend it. Someone who claims to know Maxwell's Equations and is willing to at least contemplate basic physics-based criticism of the theory.

All we've ever had, as far as I know, are EU cheerleaders (Haig, Sol88, iantresman? Mozina at least tried to post his own thoughts on his crazy theory.). Their only knowledge of EU, PC, astronomy, E&M, etc., are the corpus of actual EU/PC texts and videos. Ask a question, the answer is "watch this canonical video". If the video/quote/link doesn't answer the question, too bad. If something in the video is wrong, too bad. I have no interest whatsoever in another one of THOSE threads.

 

[Haig]

Unfortunately, Haig is just the messenger, and a bad one at that.
He has nothing, will just repeat and repeat his mantra.
Haig has no answers, and does not want to ask for answers at thunderdolts.
It is much much safer to just claim thunderdolts have the answer (which they do not), youtube is a real "scientific review" of a video which is made for a layman, etc.

Maybe you on the others on here should look at the facts of our changing solar system and see the evidence for an electromagnetic solar system? Electric comets are an opportunity for understanding it.

Try and form your own opinions and don't just follow the herd.

The Evidence
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEo3PBaVha8

 

[Kid Eager]

Maybe you on the others on here should look at the facts of our changing solar system and see the evidence for an electromagnetic solar system? Electric comets are an opportunity for understanding it.

Try and form your own opinions and don't just follow the herd.

The Evidence
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEo3PBaVha8

Why try to form another opinion, just so that you can be different?

The YT is not evidence of an alternate theory, when the theory has not been put forward. It does not explain the yawning gap between isolated data points used to justify EU anecdotes, and the rest of the observable behaviors the the universe that are not supported by EU.

 

[ben m]

Maybe you on the others on here should look at the facts of our changing solar system and see the evidence for an electromagnetic solar system? Electric comets are an opportunity for understanding it.

Great idea. I've looked at the facts of our "changing" solar system. I see lots of evidence---very specific evidence, including measurements of electric fields and charged particles---that say electric sun theory (and electric comet theory) is wrong.

Your evidence---the stuff in your videos---is crappy evidence and does not convince me. This particular video is one step short of "Oswald couldn't have gotten off three shots in 0.3 seconds without help from ELECTRIC SUN RAYS WOOOOOO"

 

[ben m]

Haig, have you ever done an electric-sun-related calculation yourself? Like, have you ever picked up a pen and paper and asked yourself "If EU is true, what would happen to ... " and worked it out? If so, post that calculation and let's talk about that.

(Yes, we know you've watched EU videos and nodded along because you agree with them. Let's not talk about that. Please.)

 

[Haig]

Great idea. I've looked at the facts of our "changing" solar system. I see lots of evidence---very specific evidence, including measurements of electric fields and charged particles---that say electric sun theory (and electric comet theory) is wrong.

Your evidence---the stuff in your videos---is crappy evidence and does not convince me. This particular video is one step short of "Oswald couldn't have gotten off three shots in 0.3 seconds without help from ELECTRIC SUN RAYS WOOOOOO"

Gees Ben, the FACTS in that video can all be independently checked from sources you would approve of and they are NOT made up by the EU crowd. They just string all these events together.

Have you heard the claim that comets can trigger CME's ? Here's a recent vid of an electric comet doing just that:-
SUNDIVING COMET & CME August 20, 2013
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hr2v9aoWy3I

 

[tusenfem]

Maybe you on the others on here should look at the facts of our changing solar system and see the evidence for an electromagnetic solar system? Electric comets are an opportunity for understanding it.

Try and form your own opinions and don't just follow the herd.

Dude! I am a professional plasma(astro)physicist/space physicist. You can't get anymore "electromagnetic" than I am, specifically so after I wrote my PhD on Strong electrostatic double layers in astrophysical plasmas.

I work the whole day with magnetic field, electric field and plasma (ions and electrons) data, measured by spacecraft orbiting the Earth, Venus, Jupiter, Saturn. And yes, there is charging of spacecraft because of the solar radiation (making the spacecraft positive) or because of being in the shade of e.g. the Earth and free electrons around (making the spacecraft negative). There is charging of the lunar surface (see electrostatic levitation of dust). It can all be well described by electomagnetic theory (AKA Maxwell's equations, fully described in the EM "bible" Classical Electrodynamics by Jackson). And still after decades of EC/EU complaints that mainstream is wrong and everything should be looked at electrically, and with these electric theories well available (e.g. Cosmic Electrodynamics by Alfven & Falthammar) no one from the EC/EU community decides to pick up a piece of paper and start writing an actual theory of electic comets (with the concepts that I posted above). Is that not a wee bit strange?

Comets have an electromagnetic interaction with the solar wind (I think I will write on my blog about that), gas emitted, ionized, solar wind magnetic field hangs up etc. etc. etc. Just for fun tongue-in-cheek I decided to call my upcoming popular talk (well wait until March next year) "A rock in the solar wind: The electromagnetic comet".

And I see you still cannot point us to any real science publications on the electric comet, put some effort in it, dude, ask gmirkin or scott or whoever is momentarily the big shot on thunderdolts, to give you something to present here. If scott can write "Real properties of electromagnetic fields and plasma in the cosmos" he could take some time to write a similar paper on the "Real properties of the electric comet in space."

Actually, I'd rather not that Scott does that, looking at his misrepresentation of magnetic reconnection in his paper, which clearly shows that he has no idea about the current state of reconnection, assuming e.g. that the magnetic field remains "frozen in" (incorrect, reconnection cannot occur in frozen-in MHD, in the ion and electron diffusion region the magnetic field detaches from the particles) and that "currents must flow", well DUH! those are the Hall currents, which are clearly observed in e.g. the Earth's magnetotail. Ah well ....