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Merged The election was stolen/rigged!

You're quoting Stalin as an authority on democracy? I should just stop here.

But I won't. Once again you don't answer the question. You cited allegations of voting machines visibly miscounting votes, so as to potentially alert voters, election officials, and third-party monitors to what was going on. You have yet to explain how this would constitute an effective way to rig an election.
No, no, no, you're missing the point. What the CTers are saying is that the visible errors and miscounts are just the tip of the iceberg, which allows them to infer the true depth and breadth of the treachery. In other words, a lot (maybe all! [ominous music]) of voting machines/ballots/ballot boxes/whatever were rigged, but a few of them were rigged badly, so that the rigging was obvious. The rest of them were done so well and so sneakily that it was never caught.


RPs track record is not good, he has failed to prove the President is not American and now he is failing to prove the election was rigged.

I wonder what his next trick will be
Don't you mean, "what his next trick won't be"? :p
 
2 days since this story popped up & the people from these areas who had their vote stolen are still silent. Why do you think that is Robert?
 
Naivete squared. No cubed.

It's just one example, but the good guys don't have cameras everwhere.

There Is No Voter Fraud’ Myth Takes a Torpedo
By John Fund

"We are constantly told by liberals that there is no voter fraud — or at least not any that involves voting at the polls.

Really? Shame Mister Fund didn't check out fivethirtyeight prior to the election. The comments section were full of 'liberals' convinced the Republicans were going to rig the voting machines.
 
There is one issue that might be relevant to this discussion that hasn't been raised yet - gerrymandering. I don't know which party ran the most recent "redistricting" in Pennsylvania, but if it was the Republicans, it stands to reason they would want to group as many likely-Democrat voters in as few precincts as possible, while spreading out the likely-Republican voters so as to maximize their likely wins in local races. It wouldn't directly affect the Presidential race, but it would be likely to show up in ways like this.

And I think that all this yelling and screaming from the right about their voters being "suppressed" (by ads? seriously?) and "suspicious" poll results is a smoke screen to draw attention away from the fact that the Republicans' own, well-documented attempts to suppress the Democrat vote through voter-ID laws and nullify it through gerrymandering all failed. This time.

Those are just some observations from north of the border.
 
I've just now discovered the truth about al these various accusations of vote fixing....


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Don't worry, Robert. As some clever person elsewhere pointed out, if it was a legitimately stolen election, Romney's body would have had ways of shutting that down. Also, if a usurpation happens, even in that horrible situation of a stolen election, it was God's will.
 
You assume they are aware of it.

No assumption necessary. You told us in no uncertain terms (and not without a few insults) that unanimous precincts were being widely reported in the mainstream media. I concurred. In fact, I beat you to the punch. Further, the media organizations reporting this outcome diligently searched for Romney voters in those areas, and reported also that political organizations were doing the same. Now you try to backpedal away from your ludicrous claims by saying these densely populated urban areas must somehow be unaware of the controversy?

You assume these people exist. Now prove they do.
 
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No assumption necessary. You told us in no uncertain terms (and not without a few insults) that unanimous precincts were being widely reported in the mainstream media. I concurred. In fact, I beat you to the punch. Further, the media organizations reporting this outcome diligently searched for Romney voters in those areas, and reported also that political organizations were doing the same. Now you try to backpedal away from your ludicrous claims by saying these densely populated urban areas must somehow be unaware of the controversy?

You assume these people exist. Now prove they do.

More nonsense. No, you claimed only non-mainstream sources, I had to correct you. And since 93 percent of African-Americans have been polled as voting for Obama (http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Dec...ction-results-2012-Who-won-it-for-Obama-video,) that leaves 7 percent who did not. Seven percent of 90,000 in 4 Ohio counties, is not Zero. Do the math; Get a clue. And most of the people in these communities can hardly read -- 50 percent drop out rate. Most people, even educated people, have no clue about whether their vote was counted or not. But the published results --- 90,000 or so to zero -- betray the fraud and would even make a dictator blush. African-Americans are simply not that uniformly racist.
 
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More nonsense. No, you claimed only non-mainstream sources...

Link to the post where I claimed only "non-mainstream sources" were reporting the unanimous precincts.

My actual words were, "Even more amazing: despite the prevalance of these stories in the media over the past 48 hours, not one person from any of these precincts has come forward to say, 'Yeah, I voted for Romney and my vote didn't get counted.'" (emphasis added)

I had to correct you.

No, you conflated two separate topics. R.A.F. questioned whether the unanimous precincts were being reported in U.S. mainstream media. I had previously posted that they were, and corrected him on that point, before you corrected him.

Now you're trying to conflate that with my analysis of the alleged Pennsylvania voting machine sabotage, which you did obtain from a tabloid -- the same tabloid all the others are citing as the primary source. You have yet to show that the "auditor" has been reported in the mainstream media, or in fact as a primary witness in any medium other than your rabidly anti-Obama tabloid.

I'm endeavoring to separate your various dissociated rants for the purposes of response. Kindly do the same.

And since 93 percent of African-Americans have been polled as voting for Obama [...] that leaves 7 percent who did not.

Asked and answered. Law of Averages and the Fallacy of Decomposition. Address my post on the subject before simply repeating your claims.

Most people, even educated people, have no clue about whether their vote was counted or not.

When the balloting is secret, that's an unavoidable outcome. The rare exception to that would be in the case of a unanimous precinct. We have on hand a number of unanimous precincts. Therefore any who voted in the category counted as zero would undoubtedly be able to determine that his vote had not counted.

But the published results --- 90,000 or so to zero -- betray the fraud...

Asked and answered. You have attempted to explain the outcome in a unanimous precinct by means of a testable hypothesis, but you refuse to test it and you refuse to accept the results of those others who have tested it and failed to confirm it. You attribute to "fraud" what you simply refuse to fathom from a political extremist standpoint. You even managed to leap over "legitimate error or malfunction" in your zeal to attribute to extreme malice what arises solely out of your unmet intuition.

You assert that there exist actual human beings in those precincts who voted for Romney but whose votes did not count. Produce one or more of them. I don't accept handwaving nonsense about "virtual witnesses." I don't accept handwaving inferences from national voter profiles. Produce an actual disenfranchised voter, or admit that all you have is handwaving speculation.

...and would even make a dictator blush.

Irrelevant hyperbole.

African-Americans are simply not that uniformly racist.

I'm talking about documented demographics, not racism. And you were quite adamant that we not "play the race card" when talking about other anti-Obama conspiracy theories (even those that were quite evidently racist). Hence you owe us an apology now for introducing that "forbidden" argument now that you think it's in your favor.
 
This is quite possibly the funniest thing you've ever posted.

Perhaps not the funniest, but certainly ill-timed.

Jay illustrates the error of expecting properties of the aggregate to hold for the constituents.
Then, Robert tells us we have to attribute the properties of the aggregate to the constituents.

The forum is so accustomed to Robert's under-bridge tactics that we can refute him before he even posts.
 
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Link to the post where I claimed only "non-mainstream sources" were reporting the unanimous precincts.

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"Robert gets all his arguments these days from the supermarket tabloids! "
-- Jay Utah

"Thou shalt not bear false witness..." -- God.
 
More nonsense. No, you claimed only non-mainstream sources, I had to correct you. And since 93 percent of African-Americans have been polled as voting for Obama (http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Dec...ction-results-2012-Who-won-it-for-Obama-video,) that leaves 7 percent who did not. Seven percent of 90,000 in 4 Ohio counties, is not Zero.

Who said 7% of African Americans in the country lived it those 4 counties in Ohio?

Do the math; Get a clue. And most of the people in these communities can hardly read -- 50 percent drop out rate.
Assuming you are correct, can they not hear? Did no one bother to tell them?


Most people, even educated people, have no clue about whether their vote was counted or not. But the published results --- 90,000 or so to zero -- betray the fraud and would even make a dictator blush. African-Americans are simply not that uniformly racist.

So some of these African Americans voted for Romney. None of their votes were counted. They aren't aware of it because they can't read. Nobody in the Republican party bothered to tell them. Nobody from Fox bothered to tell them. Nobody from The Blaze Or WND bothered to tell them. Now this wouldn't matter because there is no way one can tell if their vote were counted or not.

Are you sure that's what you want to go with? Because there is a really big clue as to why that line of thinking is absolutely moronic in the second sentence I typed.
 

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