The election is wearing on me

[Foolmewunz]

yeah, unless you have about 3.5 billion bucks you are not going to fix facebook.

my recommendation is that you stop pretending to be a bernie supporter and just go whole hog for hillary. It is fine.

You have been supporting hillary for months. it is ok, just go for it!

Or he could do like you and pretend to be a Bernie supporter and vote Trump. (I have as much proof of that as you do of your slander.)

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Or he could do like you and pretend to be a Bernie supporter and vote Trump. (I have as much proof of that as you do of your slander.)

For whatever reason, a lot of people find it hard to believe that Sanders' supporters don't all have HDS and that they do see her as at least a reasonable alternative.

 

[Maya22]

HDS?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDS

 

[KatieG]

Hillary Derangement Syndrome.

 

[Maya22]

Hillary Derangement Syndrome.

I've never heard of that before now. I suppose that anyone who is willing to go into the difficult life of politics must be at least a little bit deranged.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I've never heard of that before now. I suppose that anyone who is willing to go into the difficult life of politics must be at least a little bit deranged.

Sorry, we've been using the HDS abbreviation throughout these threads. It's not something I use much elsewhere.

 

[Maya22]

Sorry, we've been using the HDS abbreviation throughout these threads. It's not something I use much elsewhere.

No need to apologize. I sometimes skim through the threads, and I don't retain everything.

 

[Foolmewunz]

For whatever reason, a lot of people find it hard to believe that Sanders' supporters don't all have HDS and that they do see her as at least a reasonable alternative.

It's largely partisan gamesmanship, as you know. You can't look at various options and see an end game and ask, "Well, what can we get out of this?" You have to hate the other camp with a purple passion, employ slash-and-burn tactics and alienate your potential allies.

It's not exclusive to the left(ish). I pity our average "thinking conservatives" around here. They may hate Trump more than I do (that's a pretty high bar), but they are so accustomed to tearing down the Dems and willy-nilly supporting the GOP, that they're knee-jerk attacking simply out of ingrained/habitual behavior. Every now and then one of them comes up for air and admits that Trump would be the worstest POTUS one could imagine (and that if we're honest, one can't even imagine him winning), but then revert to attacking Hillary. Sort of like the old scorpion-and-pig story. "It's my nature."

Sooner or later reality has to set in. Sorry, kiddies but handy skeptical memes don't work as arguments. It IS a binary choice, now. You get Hillary Clinton or you get Donald Trump. You need to weigh both of those possibilities very carefully. There's no last-minute Bernie miracle. There's no Ryan third party run. That's it. You get steak or fish, as Barry Sotero explained. No, you can't have the Couscous Surprise. Steak or Fish, or you don't eat.

 

[Foolmewunz]

I've never heard of that before now. I suppose that anyone who is willing to go into the difficult life of politics must be at least a little bit deranged.

I believe it segues from Bush Derangement Syndrome, its most common application. A lot of my buddies on the left still suffer from that. The term was coined by an actual from (maybe a good) psychiatrist (but a lousy political pundit).

A lot of us thought it ironic that the conservatives spent eight years harping about liberals who suffered from BDS, when a scant few months later the disease morphed into its more virulent form, Obama Derangement Syndrome (sometimes referred to by its proper medical term: WaitWhatWeHaveABlackPresident-osis).

And while it was never used during Bill's presidential term, it's pretty apparent in reviewing the era and in reaction in the present day that there was a definite CDS - Clinton(Bill) Derangement Syndrome. That virus mutated into the current HDS.

Should Agent Orange win (actually likely before that, like last week), we'll see a serious outbreak of Trump Derangement Syndrome. (Even within the Democratic Party there's always been a Kennedy(all) Derangement Syndrome and it certainly exists on the right...)

In short? Politics as usual. We use it to annoy people we disagree with.

 

[TragicMonkey]

In short? Politics as usual. We use it to annoy people we disagree with.

Spoken like someone clearly in the throes of ECETOISATPMDS. (Every Candidate Except The One I Support At This Particular Moment Derangement Syndrome). It's amazing how prevalent ECETOISATPMDS is, it seems to sweep the nation every time there's an election. Thank heavens I'm immune.

 

[Foolmewunz]

Spoken like someone clearly in the throes of ECETOISATPMDS. (Every Candidate Except The One I Support At This Particular Moment Derangement Syndrome). It's amazing how prevalent ECETOISATPMDS is, it seems to sweep the nation every time there's an election. Thank heavens I'm immune.

Absolutely incorrect, fanged simian. My fight here has not been "for" anyone. It's been against the faction of HDS sufferers who are so blinded by their partisanship that the repeat anything, regardless of the source or accuracy.

I'm a grudging Sanders supporter, as he's the closest to my farther left positions. Just as I'm proposing to Sanders progressives that they need to accept the "best of the rest", I'm willing to accept Sanders on the basis of "Well, he's no W.E.B. Dubois, but it's good to see anyone running a campaign from a radical left setting.

My constant iteration has been that we need to bury the hatchet and get on to trouncing the Republicans in November. If Bernie had been the choice, I'd be making the same appeal to Hillary's supporters.

 

[TragicMonkey]

Absolutely incorrect, fanged simian. My fight here has not been "for" anyone. It's been against the faction of HDS sufferers who are so blinded by their partisanship that the repeat anything, regardless of the source or accuracy.

I'm a grudging Sanders supporter, as he's the closest to my farther left positions. Just as I'm proposing to Sanders progressives that they need to accept the "best of the rest", I'm willing to accept Sanders on the basis of "Well, he's no W.E.B. Dubois, but it's good to see anyone running a campaign from a radical left setting.

My constant iteration has been that we need to bury the hatchet and get on to trouncing the Republicans in November. If Bernie had been the choice, I'd be making the same appeal to Hillary's supporters.

Yep. Ocean madness.

 

[Travis]

How could you "fix" it?

I berated one friend into stopping it. He now accepts that he got too emotionally invested in Bernie as "his" candidate.

yeah, unless you have about 3.5 billion bucks you are not going to fix facebook.

my recommendation is that you stop pretending to be a bernie supporter and just go whole hog for hillary. It is fine.

You have been supporting hillary for months. it is ok, just go for it!

I've been defending Hillary for months. There is a difference. I defended W on things I felt he was being slandered for too. Do you think I was a supporter of him?

 

[The Big Dog]

I've been defending Hillary for months. There is a difference. I defended W on things I felt he was being slandered for too. Do you think I was a supporter of him?

tomato tomato

 

[Travis]

I find it disturbing that you think defending someone is the same as supporting them. By extension this means that for you someone's innocence or guilt is entirely dependent on whether you support them or not.

 

[The Big Dog]

I find it disturbing that you think defending someone is the same as supporting them. By extension this means that for you someone's innocence or guilt is entirely dependent on whether you support them or not.

dude, you are not a lawyer. Plus threads like "i think I am dumping Bernie" or whatever it was called, is by no possible stretch of the imagination "defending" Hillary.

It is cool tho.

 

[Foolmewunz]

dude, you are not a lawyer. Plus threads like "i think I am dumping Bernie" or whatever it was called, is by no possible stretch of the imagination "defending" Hillary.

It is cool tho.

As on many topics, your speculation is wrong. It is possible to defend someone from fevered attacks without actually supporting them. Just because you pretended to be a Bernie supporter in quest of your larger goal (Burn The Witch!), does not mean that clearer-thinking individuals are making up their candidate preferences.

 

[BrooklynBaby]

It is fascinating watching the Democrats. If the Superdelegate fix wasn't already in for Hillary before the campaigns even started, she would have had to offer a lot more freebies to compete with Bernie. The fact that all of these freebies the Dems are offering are going to have to be paid for with borrowed money should be troubling to all Democrats, but I doubt if it will be. We can't afford to pay the projected costs of Medicare, Social Security, and the rest of existing Federal programs right now, which means, of course, we can't afford any new programs.

 

[The Big Dog]

As on many topics, your speculation is wrong. It is possible to defend someone from fevered attacks without actually supporting them. Just because you pretended to be a Bernie supporter in quest of your larger goal (Burn The Witch!), does not mean that clearer-thinking individuals are making up their candidate preferences.

did you randomly pick that post out of the huge bag of non sequitors?

I gave a specific example in my post of conduct that was not "defending" Hillary.

 

[Foolmewunz]

It is fascinating watching the Democrats. If the Superdelegate fix wasn't already in for Hillary before the campaigns even started, she would have had to offer a lot more freebies to compete with Bernie. The fact that all of these freebies the Dems are offering are going to have to be paid for with borrowed money should be troubling to all Democrats, but I doubt if it will be. We can't afford to pay the projected costs of Medicare, Social Security, and the rest of existing Federal programs right now, which means, of course, we can't afford any new programs.

Show your figures. The freebies of the GOP amount to corporate welfare.

"Hey, let's defang the EPA! Meddlers! And then when we have to clean things up, we can get the stupid 47% to pay."

Subsidies for milk, sugar, soy, corn? You think that money goes to little truck farmers? It goes to mega-corporations.

Tax cuts for the rich? Reagan's famous trickle down. How'd that work?

No acting on minimum wage? Sure, we have to protect Walmart's and the American Association of Retailers' profit margins so they can pay out a billion per quarter in dividends (McD Q1 '16). And when those people have to get Section 8 housing (NYC), and food stamps and free lunch programs for their kids because they're below the federal poverty guidelines? Do the corporations pay? No, the taxpayers do.

This populist nonsense about protecting the little man is a scam being run by the GOP to get votes.