The election is wearing on me

[Axiom_Blade]

Depending on the state you are in, that may be a vote for Trump.

This is getting confusing. So, if I vote for Trump, then who am I voting for?

Many of Bernie's supporters have sworn they will never vote for Hillary. Would you rather have them vote for Trump or Jill Stein?

 

[wareyin]

This is getting confusing. So, if I vote for Trump, then who am I voting for?

Many of Bernie's supporters have sworn they will never vote for Hillary. Would you rather have them vote for Trump or Jill Stein?

What's the difference? Both votes are attempts to have the same outcome.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

This is getting confusing. So, if I vote for Trump, then who am I voting for?

Many of Bernie's supporters have sworn they will never vote for Hillary. Would you rather have them vote for Trump or Jill Stein?

If they vote for Trump that would be foolish given he's worse than Clinton. If a vote for Stein is in a swing state it's the same as voting for Trump.

 

[BobTheCoward]

The English premier league, one of the most popular organizations in sports, doesn't have a playoff.

 

[sunmaster14]

The English premier league, one of the most popular organizations in sports, doesn't have a playoff.

Hence the American revolution. The Brits were all about resting on their laurels and expecting the gratitude to continue to pour in. They learned the hard way that what matters is what you've done for someone lately. Hillary Clinton is like King George III, or maybe like Grand Moff Tarkin. The more she tightens her grip, the more star systems will slip through her fingers.

 

[Axiom_Blade]

If they vote for Trump that would be foolish given he's worse than Clinton.

Is he really, though? There's a pretty compelling argument that Trump, not Clinton, is the lesser evil.

I do not need to trust Donald Trump in the same way I would have to trust Hillary Clinton were she elected. The reason for this is very simple: Trump represents the GOP brand, and Clinton claims the mantle of progressive. If Trump fails to accomplish anything in office, or if he manages to do whatever damage he can do, he will represent the Republicans. Moreover, rightly or wrongly, he represents America’s crypto-fascist element. The best way to discredit both of these groups is to let them fail on their own. Trump will not succeed as a president.

On the flip side, if Hillary Clinton screws up by compromising too much (which is likely) or doing too little (also likely), progressivism will take a big hit in the public eye, which is something we cannot afford.

If a vote for Stein is in a swing state it's the same as voting for Trump.

If Stein got enough votes, she would win, just the same as any other candidate.

In short: No, I will not vote for your candidate just because that's what everybody else is doing. I have to be convinced that it's the right thing to do first. Right now, I'm convinced that voting for Stein is the right thing to do. And I'm not going to do the wrong thing due to threats, fear-mongering, or peer pressure.

 

[Travis]

Remember, the question wasn't whether there was something she has done which would make you reconsider your support for her. It was whether there was something she has done which would make you go "jeez, she shouldn't have done that, and I wish she hadn't."

I think you must have lost sight of that. Or maybe you just don't like puppies.

Nope. Not yet. These things always take me by surprise down the road when I discover that other people have issues with them. I'm always shocked that anyone would care.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Is he really, though? There's a pretty compelling argument that Trump, not Clinton, is the lesser evil....

There is no compelling argument that supersedes the fact Trump has a serious personality disorder that makes him an unacceptable risk.

I wondered how Paul Ryan was dealing with this and sure enough some talking head on the news today suggested he thinks he can control the Don. What a fool! That's like the abused spouse in denial, wishfully believing they can make the abuser stop.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

....If Stein got enough votes, she would win, just the same as any other candidate.
...

And you think there's a chance in hell that could happen?

Does reality mean nothing to you?

 

[Axiom_Blade]

And you think there's a chance in hell that could happen?

Does reality mean nothing to you?

I'm not interested in the political "reality" of Democrat spinmeisters. Of course the Democrats don't want me to vote for Jill. They want me to vote for Hillary. What's really dishonest is when they try to act like we're on the same side, and they "understand" me, but gosh gee golly, it's a shame that your candidate "can't win", so I guess you'll just have to vote for us, huh?

I'm not interested in Democrat opinions about the Green Party for the same reason I'm not interested in Christians' opinion about atheists. Democrats have a vested interest in seeing the Green Party fail, and they will do everything they can to stop us.

But, to answer your first question, whether or not Jill Stein wins is irrelevant to whether or not I vote for her. I think she is the best candidate, ergo I will vote for her. I'm not going to vote for a worse candidate. If you really want me to vote for Hillary, tell me why she is a better candidate than Jill. (And don't say "experience", because having experience is not good when you use it for bad things. I want to know platform.)

 

[uke2se]

Is he really, though? There's a pretty compelling argument that Trump, not Clinton, is the lesser evil.

Do you really think that's compelling?

He'll change the conversation? Yeah, dumb it down, at least.

His policies are DOA? That's a good thing? If his policies are that bad, he's not the lesser evil.

It's only four years anyway? Four years with several probable Supreme Court Justice appointments, probable wars, lots of people suffering, a complete retardation of every progress of civil rights.

Thinking that the article presents a compelling argument is frankly stupid.

 

[Eddie Dane]

There is a personality-type dynamic at work.

People who support Bernie like him becuase he's the outside-candidate (Just like trump). They really overestimate what he will be able to do. Thus Bernie becomes an over-valued idea and they go all religious on him.

People who support Hillary have more realistic expectations and prefer her for more rational and more cynical reasons (knows the system, has experience, is well connected, hard-nosed politician etc)

Of course Bernie has more starry-eyed and fanatical followers.

 

[Axiom_Blade]

It's only four years anyway? Four years with several probable Supreme Court Justice appointments, probable wars, lots of people suffering, a complete retardation of every progress of civil rights.

Probable wars? Lots of people suffering? Sounds like Hillary to me. She, unlike Trump, actually has a body count.

 

[d4m10n]

Probable wars? Lots of people suffering? Sounds like Hillary to me. She, unlike Trump, actually has a body count.

Truman's body count was pretty low prior to taking office as well, but then he dropped the atom bomb.

 

[TragicMonkey]

There is a personality-type dynamic at work.

People who support Bernie like him becuase he's the outside-candidate (Just like trump). They really overestimate what he will be able to do. Thus Bernie becomes an over-valued idea and they go all religious on him.

People who support Hillary have more realistic expectations and prefer her for more rational and more cynical reasons (knows the system, has experience, is well connected, hard-nosed politician etc)

Of course Bernie has more starry-eyed and fanatical followers.

The people who paint others with such broad and shallow stereotypes are all delusional stoners who live with excessive numbers of cats.

 

[Hlafordlaes]

... delusional stoners who live with excessive numbers of cookies.

Fixed that for me.

 

[dudalb]

We don't need a crazy, fanatical, and irrational faction of the Democrats.

True, but you seem to getting one.
What is happenind with Sanders is sad. A classic case of Power..and fame...corrupting. I think he went into this campaign to promote his policies and ideas,but somehow his ego took over,and now he sees himself as some kind of a messiah.
The Berniacs are turning into a Bizarro version of the Tea party.

 

[dudalb]

Enjoy life under Trump then. You'll have contributed to it.

I really think that people like Axiom...people on the militant left wing who seem to be de facto defending Trump....are of the "Elect Trump because that will bring on the Socialist Revolution" school of thought.

 

[The Big Dog]

True, but you seem to getting one.
What is happenind with Sanders is sad. A classic case of Power..and fame...corrupting. I think he went into this campaign to promote his policies and ideas,but somehow his ego took over,and now he sees himself as some kind of a messiah.
The Berniacs are turning into a Bizarro version of the Tea party.

do you think that repeating this makes it true?

As best I can tell, the entire basis for this is that Bernie won't concede to Hillary.

That is ridiculous, utterly ridiculous.

 

[wareyin]

do you think that repeating this makes it true?

As best I can tell, the entire basis for this is that Bernie won't concede to Hillary.

That is ridiculous, utterly ridiculous.

Yeah, Sanders staying in is utterly ridiculous. He never had a good shot, and he's basically had no shot at all since March, so he should have conceded long before now.