The Drug War Seems to Have Failed

[JFrankA]

Okay, sorry for my previous post. (I gotta learn never to post while at work. ) but I found the documentary on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=C211EB9A413845F8

Even as a non-smoker (of anything) I found her investigation to be biased against smoking pot.

 

[MikeSun5]

By far and away the majority of marijuana consumed in the US costs only a few cents an ounce to produce. It's grown in dirt, sun, and rain. Upwards of 50 million pounds of it per year. I already linked the source. Again, your ignorance of that source does not make it go away. If you don't believe that's what they're smoking, you're welcome to provide a source of your own to show otherwise.

Again, nobody is arguing any of that. You shifted the goalposts from what originally got you saying this (you made a distinction between low and high-grade weed, made a few sweeping generalizations, you got called on them, and you've been trying to avoid explaining/proving ever since). You have ignored that fact. So much so that you have other people here believing that I said things that I clearly did not. You are not respsonding to points, and you are not answering questions. You don't like the answers I've given to your questions, but at least I played ball and answered them. It's not really a debate if you just keep repeating yourself and ignoring any counter points.

In MikeSun5's fantasy world, if seeds really are as hard to get or as expensive as he describes

Please link to my posts where I describe seeds as being "hard to get" or "expensive." I'm interested to see where you got that idea.

Fantasy world, indeed.

Basically, your premise is that most pot smokers love spending lots of cash on something any idiot can grow.

If that's what you understood about what I've been posting, then I don't know what to tell you. That's just... wow.

I should just stop being surprised when people don't pay attention and respond as if they were.

 

[Georg]

Please link to my posts where I describe seeds as being "hard to get" or "expensive." I'm interested to see where you got that idea.

Fantasy world, indeed.

Well, that's certainly the impression I got when reading those posts of you:

but...but... that would mean you'd have to BUY something!

Now you're going to tell me that if weed were legal and everyone could just grow the best of the best by themselves, that the best seeds available would be super duper cheap, right? Probably tax-free too, huh? Dudes selling the seeds probably didn't spend any money on advertising or anything else that could drive up price, huh?

Please research what commerce is and get back to us.

Exactly. But do you think that IF weed were to be legalized, and that legalization included growing it yourself in your yard, don't you think the seeds would be taxed as much if not more than a bag of kush would?

By the way, the price I cited was from Holland, and the seeds surely are taxed.

 

[Taarkin]

http://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-l...over-40-million-arrests-later-war-drugs-still

Two factors have emerged as determining whether drug offenders in Cuyahoga County are sentenced to jail: geography and race. For instance:

* White offenders from the suburbs or out-of-town are 77 percent more likely than African-American city residents to receive a misdemeanor charge rather than a felony.
* Whites account for nearly three-quarters of the participants in jail diversion programs, such as treatment and job training, in the county. African-Americans only account for a quarter of participants, despite the fact they are overrepresented in the criminal justice system.
* While African-Americans are only about a quarter of the county's total population, they make up nearly three-quarters of those sentenced to prison from Cuyahoga County.

Mayhaps there is some sort of ulterior motive here?!

 

[BStrong]

The sad fact is that there is too much money in continuing the WOSD, and none of the law enforcement parties to the "war" are going to voluntarily surrender their jobs, power or funding just because the war has been lost.

 

[Praktik]

I can no longer stand alcohol. I don't like the taste or the feel. I am about to enter the job market, so I will have to do without inebriants until I get hired somewhere. Hopefully, somewhere that doesn't drug test throughout employment.

Note part in bold. Perhaps we're approaching this the wrong way. Appeal to legalization through the language of productivity and capitalism - how many honest workers have been prevented from gainful employment because they smoked weed and got caught on a test?

Seems like a "shoot yourself in the foot" economic policy. Kind of like a modern-day version of keeping women out of the workforce, but on a smaller scale I grant...

but the principle is the same. Take good workers out of the workforce for ideological/theological reasons.

 

[Mycroft]

Note part in bold. Perhaps we're approaching this the wrong way. Appeal to legalization through the language of productivity and capitalism - how many honest workers have been prevented from gainful employment because they smoked weed and got caught on a test?

Seems like a "shoot yourself in the foot" economic policy. Kind of like a modern-day version of keeping women out of the workforce, but on a smaller scale I grant...

but the principle is the same. Take good workers out of the workforce for ideological/theological reasons.

Drug testing in the workforce is a different issue from legalization, but you make good points. I have worked at places that drug test their employees, and it's a huge waste of time and resources. The company puts out a lot of money for the tests both in direct costs and lost productivity, then they end up fighting a lot of legal battles with employees who say their test was wrong (and the error rate is pretty high) and in the end they end up firing some of their most productive employees and then needing to go through the expense of replacing them.

It just makes a lot more sense to make your decisions based on the quality of a persons work, not on how he spends his time off.

 

[OrangeCatz]

It would be nice if they developed a test that actually measured THC. It would be gone about the time the effects wore off.

 

[Emperor_Gestahl]

From what I've read in the comments, it's not good for the plant....or the smoke...

I've heard that anecdotally as well, supposed to yellow the leaves or something.

 

[TheNooch]

Funny thing about the drug war. I can get Dilantin, which makes me crazy and forgetful.

However, if I want some weed, I have to grow it, in my closet.