The Drug War Seems to Have Failed

[Mycroft]

That's a bit trickier than cuttings. Marijuana plants are either male or female, only the females flower into the "buds" people smoke". A bud is actually hundreds of flowers. If left unpollinated the plant keeps producing flowers, and the buds get thicker and more potent.

If you had a female plant and wanted it to produce seed through self-pollination (assuring it's a clone of the parent) you'd have to force it to become a hermaphrodite, producing both male and female flowers. This can sometimes be done by stressing the plant, but it's hit or miss. At which point it would polllinate itelf and you'd have seeds which are clones of the parent plant.

I know, but not everybody buys the feminized seeds. If you don't, you grow multiple plants to guarantee some of them are females and kill the males as they show pollen sacks. In MikeSun5's fantasy world, if seeds really are as hard to get or as expensive as he describes, it would be easy and worthwhile to let your first crop get fertilized by the males, put up with a crop of lower-quality product for your first crop but have a bonus of hundreds of seeds. then grow a second crop that's nothing but females cloned from your first crop.

Then if you were really industrious, you could clone some of those males too, or at least keep some of their pollen in a plastic baggy for genetic experimentation later.

Or so I've heard. I'd never consider doing any of that on my own unless it were legal.

 

[Emperor_Gestahl]

And as for the notion that "the world doesn't drink Miller High Life all the time [...] because there is better stuff out there"? The world drinks millions upon millions of gallons of cheap beer compared to the amount of fancy beer or expensive Scotch or rare champagne it consumes.

Cheap scotch too, mmm Grand Macnish. And how about that Carlos Rossi wine?

 

[nvidiot]

That's a bit trickier than cuttings. Marijuana plants are either male or female, only the females flower into the "buds" people smoke". A bud is actually hundreds of flowers. If left unpollinated the plant keeps producing flowers, and the buds get thicker and more potent.

If you had a female plant and wanted it to produce seed through self-pollination (assuring it's a clone of the parent) you'd have to force it to become a hermaphrodite, producing both male and female flowers. This can sometimes be done by stressing the plant, but it's hit or miss. At which point it would polllinate itelf and you'd have seeds which are clones of the parent plant.

I don't want to turn this thread into a gardening for dummies manual, but the highlighted part is incorrect. You appear to know something about cannabis cultivation but the above sentence is just wrong. The resulting seed is NOT a clone of the parent. Very similar, yes, but a clone? No.

 

[3point14]

They don't even need a trial to take your home.

Really?

What happened to 'innocent until proven guilty'?


That's the sort of thing that should lead to rioting in the streets.

I'm sure that for years there have been folks sitting around saying

"Let's just have one or two more doobies then get out there!"

 

[JFrankA]

Really?

What happened to 'innocent until proven guilty'?


That's the sort of thing that should lead to rioting in the streets.

I'm sure that for years there have been folks sitting around saying

"Let's just have one or two more doobies then get out there!"

You got it wrong. They don't take your home because of a punishment. They take your home as evidence......and then pass punishment....

 

[JFrankA]

I don't want to turn this thread into a gardening for dummies manual, but the highlighted part is incorrect. You appear to know something about cannabis cultivation but the above sentence is just wrong. The resulting seed is NOT a clone of the parent. Very similar, yes, but a clone? No.

Please do! I don't grow or smoke but I from what I am reading, it's either very very easy to grow pot or it's very very intricate. Which is it?

 

[JFrankA]

As a side note, Scott's Miracle-Gro wants to get in on the Medical Marijuana trade.

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/06/miracle-gro_tries_to_figure_ou.html

From what I've read in the comments, it's not good for the plant....or the smoke...

 

[3point14]

You got it wrong. They don't take your home because of a punishment. They take your home as evidence......and then pass punishment....

Oh, well that sounds perfectly just and reasonable...

Who's Idea was that?

 

[3point14]

double post.

 

[WildCat]

Really?

What happened to 'innocent until proven guilty'?

Because, you see, this isn't an action against a person, it's an action against the property, as if the property committed the crime. You would have to sue to get the property back, and the burden of proof would be on you.

This absurdity is a relic of laws aimed at incidents where, say, a cargo ship was smuggling contraband and US law had no access to the ships owners (because they reside in foreign lands or are unknown) so they seized the ship instead. Somehow this passed constitutional muster when applied to the domestic drug war.

 

[WildCat]

I don't want to turn this thread into a gardening for dummies manual, but the highlighted part is incorrect. You appear to know something about cannabis cultivation but the above sentence is just wrong. The resulting seed is NOT a clone of the parent. Very similar, yes, but a clone? No.

Yes, it is a clone. Any seeds from a self-fertile plant (doesn't matter if it's marijuana or peaches) will be clones of the parent, assuming no pollen from other plants is involved.

After all, you're not adding any new DNA to the mix so it will be genetically identical.

 

[WildCat]

From what I've read in the comments, it's not good for the plant....or the smoke...

A lot of marijuana growers are organic hippie types who are against any chemical fertilizers. But the plant can't tell the difference.

It may well affect taste, so those using chemical fertilizers won't use them in the weeks before harvest.

 

[sadhatter]

Your fatal weakness is that it is a really stupid idea. How many people would not notice that there is marijuana suddenly growing in their backyards? Your best bet if you don't want to grow on your property is to find someplace that nobody goes. Incidently, this is how lots of people do it.

Actually in the country, the method described by the person your referring to is a method often employed. It reduces risk to the person growing, and usually said person is not a large scale dealer but merely someone with some seeds. They harvest their crop before the owner harvests theirs, and if it gets found? They usually have a half dozen other crops going. All it takes is a drive by every so often to see if it has been found.

 

[sadhatter]

I think you misunderstand the goal of smoking pot.

The object of the exercise is to get high. If it takes twice as much of something free than it does of something with a price, most pot smkers are going to take the free option. It's not like wine (but it might get there) when people sit around talking about 'body' and 'aroma', it's about the effect as much as anything.

Sure there might be a market for 'high end' weed, but I suspect (but cannot prove) that most people, give the chance between an effectively infinite supply of cheap stuff and an expensive, limited supply version, are going to go for the free.

In this brave new world we're building, most of the pot would be homegrown and it wouldn't worry anyone.

Oh, and there would eventually be a lot of talented amateurs growing very high quality stuff, just like the best veg is from allotments, not supermarkets.

However, if I propogated a strawman, I apologise.

I agree.

I like to smoke, currently limited to tobacco, i enjoy the act of smoking. So whenever the math worked out ( Albeit a touch subjective, you can roughly grade the product.) when i smoked, i would opt for the cheaper product. More of a smoking experience, and eventually the same buzz.

During my smoking days, i honestly felt ripped off every time i broke down and bought the ultra expensive product. Most of the time it was more of a pain to smoke ( much higher THC content made it sticky, thereby making joints less of an option, and increasing the chance of a burned thumb trying to get it lit in anything else, not to mention trouble getting it to a fine enough grind.) , and even when i got it for free ( once a friend saved some of a strain he insisted was darn near hallucinogenic. i gave it a 6.5 out of 10. ) felt that , for the price, it would have been more fun to roll up a giant one and smoke it.

I feel similar about liquor, but for the opposite reason. It all tastes like **** to me, so when i drink i look for nothing more than amount of alcohol for price.

Weird that they work out the same way for opposite reasons though.

 

[JFrankA]

I agree.

I like to smoke, currently limited to tobacco, i enjoy the act of smoking. So whenever the math worked out ( Albeit a touch subjective, you can roughly grade the product.) when i smoked, i would opt for the cheaper product. More of a smoking experience, and eventually the same buzz.

During my smoking days, i honestly felt ripped off every time i broke down and bought the ultra expensive product. Most of the time it was more of a pain to smoke ( much higher THC content made it sticky, thereby making joints less of an option, and increasing the chance of a burned thumb trying to get it lit in anything else, not to mention trouble getting it to a fine enough grind.) , and even when i got it for free ( once a friend saved some of a strain he insisted was darn near hallucinogenic. i gave it a 6.5 out of 10. ) felt that , for the price, it would have been more fun to roll up a giant one and smoke it.

I feel similar about liquor, but for the opposite reason. It all tastes like **** to me, so when i drink i look for nothing more than amount of alcohol for price.

Weird that they work out the same way for opposite reasons though.

As I understand it, and please correct me if I'm wrong, it's not just the THC that gets someone high. There's also a chemical called "Canniabliods" (spelling?) that is involved too.

I'm saying that only because there was a special on BBC America by some reporter who did a bunch of tests to see what was safer for her: pot or alcohol. In every test, pot turned out to be the safer drug except for one:

Being injected directly with pure THC then the next day with pure "Canniabliods". The "Canniabloids" (again, I know I'm spelling this wrong) produced a feeling of happiness, giggling, feeling great about everything for a couple of hours.

When injected with pure THC, she was paranoid, scared, didn't want to be touched, felt sick, etc. (In fact, the doctor who administered the injection ran a psychology test that showed that while under pure THC, she was schizophrenic.

Because of that one test, she decided to stay with alcohol. (Stupid!)

Now I'm typing this on my break. Once I'm home, I'll find the program and the specifics.

 

[Georg]

It may well affect taste, so those using chemical fertilizers won't use them in the weeks before harvest.

Stopping two weeks before harvest is enough .

 

[Mycroft]

Yes, it is a clone. Any seeds from a self-fertile plant (doesn't matter if it's marijuana or peaches) will be clones of the parent, assuming no pollen from other plants is involved.

After all, you're not adding any new DNA to the mix so it will be genetically identical.

But you are re-mixing the DNA, so the results will be similar, but different. About half your chromosome pairs will be identical.

ETA: Although my understanding is this is how feminized seeds are produced. If you stress a female to turn hermaphrodite, then you only have x-chromosomes involved.

 

[nota]

Yes, it is a clone. Any seeds from a self-fertile plant (doesn't matter if it's marijuana or peaches) will be clones of the parent, assuming no pollen from other plants is involved.

After all, you're not adding any new DNA to the mix so it will be genetically identical.

NO NO NO
each seed gets 1/2 of the mothers DNA and 1/2 the fathers
if the plant has one recessive bit the offspring can get 0 or 1 or 2 of them
AND MOST PLANTS WILL HAVE A WIDE MIX OF RECESSIVE AND DOMINATE BITS
a clone is a 100% perfect copy every time
a self fertilized plant seed is not a clone and not a 100% copy
it can and does range from close to the parent to very different

cuttings are true clones
and eazy to do
any gardening shop has the root growth hormones
[they are common to most plants]
ONLY CUTTINGS ARE CLONES
SEEDS ARE NOT CLONES

 

[Mycroft]

As a side note, Scott's Miracle-Gro wants to get in on the Medical Marijuana trade.

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/06/miracle-gro_tries_to_figure_ou.html

From what I've read in the comments, it's not good for the plant....or the smoke...

I've heard from people connected to the culture that pot growers don't like miracle grow and say it's awful for the plant. I personally am a bit skeptical and suspect these rumors might be started by people who have a much more expensive line of specialty fertilizers for sale.

 

[OrangeCatz]

I like to smoke, currently limited to tobacco, i enjoy the act of smoking. So whenever the math worked out ( Albeit a touch subjective, you can roughly grade the product.) when i smoked, i would opt for the cheaper product. More of a smoking experience, and eventually the same buzz.

During my smoking days, i honestly felt ripped off every time i broke down and bought the ultra expensive product. Most of the time it was more of a pain to smoke ( much higher THC content made it sticky, thereby making joints less of an option, and increasing the chance of a burned thumb trying to get it lit in anything else, not to mention trouble getting it to a fine enough grind.) , and even when i got it for free ( once a friend saved some of a strain he insisted was darn near hallucinogenic. i gave it a 6.5 out of 10. ) felt that , for the price, it would have been more fun to roll up a giant one and smoke it.

I feel similar about liquor, but for the opposite reason. It all tastes like **** to me, so when i drink i look for nothing more than amount of alcohol for price.

I currently smoke cheap cigarettes and cheap pot. I care more for quantity than quality. I just enjoy smoking. The guy I buy from grows indoors. He sells me the trimmings for cheap and I love it.

I can no longer stand alcohol. I don't like the taste or the feel. I am about to enter the job market, so I will have to do without inebriants until I get hired somewhere. Hopefully, somewhere that doesn't drug test throughout employment.