Merged The Disturbences in Ferguson Missouri...

[sadhatter]

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I can't vouch for their readiness posture. They at least are equipped.

Crap, nice, i like to be proved wrong in this case, people with weapons should do whatever they can when **** hits the fan , after all, what's the point of having them if you don't step up when needed.

 

[Distracted1]

A bullet from a 45 will kill me just as dead as one from an m-16. I am not a gun owner, nor do I encourage gun ownership among others, but I accept that LEO's need arms, and I think scarier looking ones may provide an advantage just by looking scary in some circumstances.

 

[sadhatter]

SO you approve of the the police pointing M 16's at a crowd?
I am not debating the need for riot control,I am saying the St Louis Police did a crappy job of it. and I don't see the need to arm riot control officers with M 16's and .50 Caliber Barrett Sniper rifles. Keep for the SWAT teams in case there is a sniper.

Why?

seriously if i was an innocent or business owner i would want the police to have the most effective weapons possible, why you don't is a mystery to me.

 

[Cylinder]

Crap, nice, i like to be proved wrong in this case, people with weapons should do whatever they can when **** hits the fan , after all, what's the point of having them if you don't step up when needed.

Also useful for the gun owners are redneck, old white guys who will die in a decade meme.

 

[dudalb]

Why?

seriously if i was an innocent or business owner i would want the police to have the most effective weapons possible, why you don't is a mystery to me.

Because I don't want to live in a country where a beat cop has to carry a M 16.
Or a country where a cop playing soldier can arrest a reporter for no good reason.
I just feel that military grade weaponary should be restricted to SWAT teams.

 

[dudalb]

Unless your rifle holds as many bullets as their are rioters, (and you are a damn fine shot), shooting a few is a quick way to a violent death.

Keep in mind I'm very pro gun and am not saying this sarcastically, but where the hell are all the gun owners during all of this? One guy sure, that's suicide, but a group of folks armed and ready to protect would be fairly effective.

I guess all the open carry idiots are just full of hot air. Perfect opportunity to show that an armed populace can work out when crap his the fan.

The last thing we need is vigalantes .

 

[theprestige]

Exercising your basic human right to defend yourself and your property: The new vigilantism.

 

[dudalb]

Exercising your basic human right to defend yourself and your property: The new vigilantism.

Maybe I misunderstood sadhatter;seemed to be like he was urging some kind of heavily armed citizen groups patrolling the street. That to me goes over the line from protecting yourself and your property to vigilantism.

 

[Mike!]

Because I don't want to live in a country where a beat cop has to carry a M 16.
Or a country where a cop playing soldier can arrest a reporter for no good reason.
I just feel that military grade weaponary should be restricted to SWAT teams.

Might want to consider moving then.

 

[Distracted1]

Why?

seriously if i was an innocent or business owner i would want the police to have the most effective weapons possible, why you don't is a mystery to me.

Zero attention has been given throughout this week to the concerns of the business owners and innocents in the areas of the looting.
I can tell you that, having lived through the riots in Detroit as a child, and currently residing in a " racially charged " area of Philadelphia, what I want from the police when the rioting starts is forceful and aggressive action.
Because it hits so close to home for me, I am irate that the actual victims of this nonsense are persona non grata to groups like the ridiculous " Anonymous".

 

[Mike!]

We'll see what the next hour or so brings. It's raining now, but about to stop (Watching local weather radar) for a while, then some heavy stuff comes in. Then the curfew.

 

[Mumbles]

Wow. Treating rioters like rioters earns your scorn, now treating them like protestors does too?

I don't know about him, but from what I saw, they were treating rioters like the local retirement home, and treating protestors (and journalists) like ISIS. Meanwhile, it was the *protestors* that treated rioters like rioters.

 

[Distracted1]

I don't know about him, but from what I saw, they were treating rioters like the local retirement home, and treating protestors (and journalists) like ISIS. Meanwhile, it was the *protestors* that treated rioters like rioters.

And what will they be tonite? Rioters or protestors? Perhaps if you know for certain you might let someone know so that the proper response can be set in motion.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Now we find out that the Justice Department was against the Fergurson police department releasing the video tape last nightjust before dark because it would inflame the situation. It sure as hell did.
It is a job requirement for being Police Chief of Ferguson that you be a complete idiot?

The DoJ released the store video?

I thought the county police did.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I think in the other thread that their continuing to hand wave away Brown's roughing up that clerk as "a little shove" is disgusting.

"Hand wave away" ≠ it's a crime but it doesn't justify the label, a violent felon/scary black thug.

The shove I saw on the video ≠ "roughing up that clerk" either. He obviously threatened the clerk and shoved him. Roughing someone up means a tad more than one shove and a menacing approach.

We 'liberals' would do a lot less defending of Brown if petty crimes weren't being used to justify what happened.

 

[Mumbles]

And what will they be tonite? Rioters or protestors? Perhaps if you know for certain you might let someone know so that the proper response can be set in motion.

Ah. Time for that lesson yet gain.

See, black people are not all the same person. The protesters are *some* black people. The looters are *different* black people. The protesters don't like the looters, and acted to protect business from the looters.

 

[Distracted1]

Ah. Time for that lesson yet gain.

See, black people are not all the same person. The protesters are *some* black people. The looters are *different* black people. The protesters don't like the looters, and acted to protect business from the looters.

The police don't like the rioters either. They thought they were acting to protect the innocent from the looters, then were universally castigated for the way they did it. Then when the rioters came out again they turned the aggression down to zero and were once again castigated.
Since neither you, nor I, nor the innocents ,like the looters; perhaps you can predict what will happen tonite so that the reaction can be appropriate.

FWIW, I am through using verbal acrobatics to keep someone who doesn't know a goddamn thing about who I am from making some kind of half assed claim of racism. You wish to look for it under every rock and you will find it, mainly because you will point at whatever you see there and cry " racist ". Guess what, Michael Brown was black, and was also a terrible person, you know what else, the looters in Ferguson are also black- and they too are terrible people. If that makes you so uncomfortable that you need to misdirect by shouting " racist" at every shadow then too bad, my concern for your opinions has dropped to less than zero at that point.

 

[Distracted1]

"Hand wave away" ≠ it's a crime but it doesn't justify the label, a violent felon/scary black thug.

The shove I saw on the video ≠ "roughing up that clerk" either. He obviously threatened the clerk and shoved him. Roughing someone up means a tad more than one shove and a menacing approach.

We 'liberals' would do a lot less defending of Brown if petty crimes weren't being used to justify what happened.

Michael Brown was quite clearly a scary black thug, was he not?

Which of those three adjectives do not apply to him, SkepticGinger? Based upon what we have seen of his behavior?

 

[Distracted1]

In fact, we can add even more.
He was a scary, black, adult ,290 pound, right handed thug.

You play a game here wherein you rely on other posters trying to be sensitive to witch-hunt like cries of " racist" to prevent them from pointing out the weakness of your arguments.
The only person I have seen so far repeatedly referring to his blackness is you.

 

[Mike!]

The police don't like the rioters either. They thought they were acting to protect the innocent from the looters, then were universally castigated for the way they did it. Then when the rioters came out again they turned the aggression down to zero and were once again castigated.
Since neither you, nor I, nor the innocents ,like the looters; perhaps you can predict what will happen tonite so that the reaction can be appropriate.FWIW, I am through using verbal acrobatics to keep someone who doesn't know a goddamn thing about who I am from making some kind of half assed claim of racism. You wish to look for it under every rock and you will find it, mainly because you will point at whatever you see there and cry " racist ". Guess what, Michael Brown was black, and was also a terrible person, you know what else, the looters in Ferguson are also black- and they too are terrible people. If that makes you so uncomfortable that you need to misdirect by shouting " racist" at every shadow then too bad, my concern for your opinions has dropped to less than zero at that point.

Rain. Bring an umbrella.