I'm not convinced yet. Where were the brave ones when the looting was actually occurring, and where were the police? I suspect the "brave ones" showed up when the looters were gone or on their way out, then showed up to claim the glory.
-
Security incident: ISF was recently accessed by intruders. Please change your password, and change it anywhere else you used it. Read more
Merged The Disturbences in Ferguson Missouri...
- Thread starter dudalb
- Start date
Gawdzilla Sama
TImeToSweepTheLeg
You get off 270 at Washington? I'm in Florissant.
Monketi Ghost
Confusion Reactor
- Joined
- May 21, 2003
- Messages
- 25,141
We need an MLK to lead people in a nonviolent protest. If the issue is change in police response, he'd have gotten the whole country behind him.
Aepervius
Non credunt, semper verificare
"rip (...) whole country apart" unlikely when other stuff which were more clear cut did nothing of the sort. The 60ies civil right fights, Rodney kind etc.... DId not exactely split the country apart and they were far more clear cut.
As for the looting, people are reacting as if it was *all* the protester which did this as a reaction.
The reality is probably more nuanced and I am betting my shirt that it was mostly opportunistic people which saw the time was right for a good ole' looting.
As for the looting, people are reacting as if it was *all* the protester which did this as a reaction.
The reality is probably more nuanced and I am betting my shirt that it was mostly opportunistic people which saw the time was right for a good ole' looting.
Last edited:
Monketi Ghost
Confusion Reactor
- Joined
- May 21, 2003
- Messages
- 25,141
It's always opportunists who start the looting. All it takes is knowing the cops are absent/occupied and mob mentality.
dudalb
Penultimate Amazing
Peddling the Fox News "All the protestors are thugs" line, I see.Given your posting history, not surprising.
First, care to cite on Fox News "All the protestors are thugs" ?
Second, complete strawman and misrepresentation of my post. Given your posting history, not surprising.
dudalb
Penultimate Amazing
OK, I should have modified that from Fox News to Hannity,since Sean has been presenting this in black and white terms all week.
And you seem to have not seen the photos of demonstrators confronting the looters. that you dismissed this as a hoax without any checking says plenty about you and your biases.
And you seem to have not seen the photos of demonstrators confronting the looters. that you dismissed this as a hoax without any checking says plenty about you and your biases.
dudalb
Penultimate Amazing
"But that dirty little coward who shot Mr.Howard laid Jesse James In his grave".
IMHO "The Long Riders" is easily the best film on the James Gang.
ravdin
Illuminator
- Joined
- Oct 16, 2005
- Messages
- 4,985
I've been concerned about police militarization for a long time, and now it finally seems that the problem is more widely recognized by people of many different political stripes. So I have a sense of optimism as we may have reached a turning point. If we're not galvanized into immediate action, at least it seems that a broader set of the population has recognized that this issue cannot be ignored and will not just go away.
ravdin
Illuminator
- Joined
- Oct 16, 2005
- Messages
- 4,985
Joe Scarborough apparently commented that Wesley Lowery and Ryan Reilly (the reporters arrested in the McDonalds) should have been quicker to cooperate with the police. Lowery slammed Scarborough on CNN for being a smug prick who makes pronouncements from his studio in NYC without knowing what he's talking about. These idiot talking heads really need to be ignored.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2014/08/wesley-lowery-slams-joe-scarborough-193926.html
theprestige
Penultimate Amazing
Sure, for sufficiently large values of "tear the country apart".
I don't think Ferguson will tear the country apart any more than the Rodney King riots did, or Selma did, or Katrina did, or the Great Depression did, or Vietnam did. Hell, even outright secession and civil war didn't manage to truly tear the country apart, and we're probably never going to see anything like that ever again. The nation has always been divided on a host of issues--this isn't something new in Ferguson.
dudalb
Penultimate Amazing
I admit I now think it is a problem.
I think we have to be careful about what we do...we can't disarm the police entirely,if criminals have automatic weapons the police have to have equal firepower...but military grade weaponary should be confined to a small unit that is trained in how to use it rather then issuing it to every single cop. Keep it to the SWAT teams.
ANd you can go too far in the other direction...cops wearing body armor does not particulary concern me...ordinary cops carrying M 16's without proper training does.
dudalb
Penultimate Amazing
You think Scarborough is bad,get a load of Hannity, for whom the Jefferson Police can do no wrong.
dudalb
Penultimate Amazing
And now apparently the police just stood by and let the looters loot last night....
Jesus H Christ, is it so freaking hard to fight a medium way between what we saw last week and letting rioters run wild?\
I am beginning to think that St Louis..and maybe Missouri in general..law enforcement have nothing but idiots in charge.
Jesus H Christ, is it so freaking hard to fight a medium way between what we saw last week and letting rioters run wild?\
I am beginning to think that St Louis..and maybe Missouri in general..law enforcement have nothing but idiots in charge.
Last edited:
GWCarver
Muse
- Joined
- Apr 21, 2012
- Messages
- 899
Yes, finally there are some politicians speaking out, but we need a lot more. IMO, the problem has always been the "tough on crime" mentality that permeates not only the government, but the citizens who have embraced it on election day and vote for more. Like you said, there are some good signs. A couple of weeks ago at early voting there were a bunch of judges and their support people campaigning in the parking lot, and many of their flyers pointed out ways the various judges had engaged in alternatives to locking people up. This is a refreshing change from the hanging judge mentality, and perhaps a reflection of our times and the human toll of the "war on drugs", which I believe is the root cause of the militarization of law enforcement. My congressman Steve Cohen spoke out against militarization a couple of days ago (at least we agree on something
) and I plan to contact him and express support. The best way to get started would be to cut off federal money that is used to support militarization, IMO.That you accused Fox of this then backtracked says plenty about you and your biases.
Still can't discuss this intellegently without your bias I see. First, I did not dismiss this as a hoax. I said I'm not convinced YET. I saw one video of the brave ones milling around in front of the store. No confronting. But hey, it's your claim -- support it and convince me, you see I'm open to the facts, unlike you.
dudalb
Penultimate Amazing
Govnernor just declared a curfew for downtown Ferguson.
Not much choice after last night.
Demonstartions will be allowed in daylight hours,but not after dark.
Seems to be reasonable to me.
Not much choice after last night.
Demonstartions will be allowed in daylight hours,but not after dark.
Seems to be reasonable to me.
dudalb
Penultimate Amazing
Governor of Missouri is being shouted down by the "no justice no peace" types.
"All Thngs Fall Apart,The Center Cannot Hold"....
"All Thngs Fall Apart,The Center Cannot Hold"....
dudalb
Penultimate Amazing
And now a business owner and one of the "protestors" are yelling at each other. This is not going to end well.