The DeSantis gambit

[angrysoba]

Im not trying to convince you he's right. I'm not suggesting you would agree with him. I'm suggesting that you don't understand him. That doesn't depend on him being, as you say, "high minded". This idea that be just hates gays so much that he would care about Disney holding a pride event doesn't really check out.

Maybe I don't. That's fine.

Then again, maybe not many people understand what the feud with Disney is about or whether or not he hates the gays.

If we were to take the idea of the rational and good voter seriously, for a second, we presumably have to assume that this voter knows full well what DeSantis is about and supports him (for high-minded reasons).

On the other hand, if we think the idea of the rational and good voter is a laughable fantasy, we might assume that he is throwing red meat to homophobes hoping they will elect him, while leaving enough ambiguity for the more Respectable Republican to roll their eyes, sigh and attempt to explain, "You just don't understand..."

 

[lobosrul5]

Im not trying to convince you he's right. I'm not suggesting you would agree with him. I'm suggesting that you don't understand him. That doesn't depend on him being, as you say, "high minded". This idea that be just hates gays so much that he would care about Disney holding a pride event doesn't really check out.

I understand him completely. He's playing up to his base, to try and woo Trump supporters over to his side. That's all this is. And its all it ever was.

 

[angrysoba]

This is a Trump ad attacking DeSantis.

Jeeeezz...

 

[Trebuchet]

Ron keeps on trying to Mess With The Mouse, and it keeps backfiring on him.
There is a reason that "Don't Mess Around With The Mouse" is one of the basic rules of doing business in Hollywood.

Ron keeps on trying to Mess With The Mouse, and it keeps backfiring on him.
There is a reason that "Don't Mess Around With The Mouse" is one of the basic rules of doing business in Hollywood.

You can say that again!

DeSantis actually scares me more than Trump because he actually seems to believe in the stuff he does.

 

[Trebuchet]

This is a Trump ad attacking DeSantis.

Jeeeezz...

It is an article of faith among Republicans that Socialism and Entitlements are bad. Except when they're not, apparently.

 

[Donal]

You can say that again!

DeSantis actually scares me more than Trump because he actually seems to believe in the stuff he does.

At this point, I fail to see the difference between a true believer and grifter that is all in on his grift.

The big difference between DeSantis and Trump is that Meatball Ron is somewhat more polished. No too long ago, that would have made him a big threat. But, because Trump already got through, all of the career politicians pedaling the same brand of authoritarianism look like pale imitations

 

[The Great Zaganza]

It is an article of faith among Republicans that Socialism and Entitlements are bad. Except when they're not, apparently.

Many Republicans have a problem with National Socialism. But only because it has Socialism in the name.

 

[Wudang]

Many Republicans have a problem with National Socialism. But only because it has Socialism in the name.

"To protect the guilty we change the name"

 

[lobosrul5]

It is an article of faith among Republicans that Socialism and Entitlements are bad. Except when they're not, apparently.

Lol, yeah reducing entitlements is fine, as long as its for "those people". Its OK with the boomers so long as its reduction in social security bene's for those coming after them.

If DeSantis gets the nom and his literal campaign message is a reduction in medicare and social security for people already collecting them, we'll see the biggest "blue wave" since the days of FDR.

 

[Trebuchet]

Lol, yeah reducing entitlements is fine, as long as its for "those people". Its OK with the boomers so long as its reduction in social security bene's for those coming after them.

If DeSantis gets the nom and his literal campaign message is a reduction in medicare and social security for people already collecting them, we'll see the biggest "blue wave" since the days of FDR.

It won't be. The Trump campaign ad is based on a couple of votes when he was in Congress a long time ago.

 

[Tero]

DeSantis will get to the 2024 primaries. This is his only chance. By 2028 he will be forgotten outside of Florida.

 

[acbytesla]

Im not trying to convince you he's right. I'm not suggesting you would agree with him. I'm suggesting that you don't understand him. That doesn't depend on him being, as you say, "high minded". This idea that be just hates gays so much that he would care about Disney holding a pride event doesn't really check out.

Does it? And what does it say about Frank and Norman that they called him Ron too?

You're reading into this far more than actually exists.

Like what? A pride night doesn't show him up.



Having a pride night doesn't contradict him. He never staked anything on them not doing that.

And has already been pointed out by others, this pride night isn't even in Florida, it's in California. This isn't being done to stick it to DeSantis.

It doesn’t check out? Then what is his motivation? How are we to interpret his homophobic words and actions?

I asked before when you said he doesn't understand. You're so sure that he's wrong, then you must be sure why DeSantis is acting the way he does.

 

[gnome]

I too am interested in hearing about the real DeSantis that I'm misunderstanding.

 

[whoanellie]

It is an article of faith among Republicans that Socialism and Entitlements are bad. Except when they're not, apparently.

It's the old "the government should keep its hands off ofmy social security" idea.

 

[Ziggurat]

Disney gives a lukewarm statement acknowledging trans people exist

Uh, yeah, no. That's really not an accurate description of what happened, and it's really not what DeSantis objected to.

and he loses his ****, tries to completely rewrite the agreement Florida has with Disney,

Oh, he didn't try to, he did.

and hand Floridians a few billion dollar tax bill.

Nope. That's not happening either. RCID has not been disolved, but only renamed and restructured as the CFTOD. The CFTOD is now responsible for repaying those bonds, and can only do so by taxing within the district. Which means that it's still Disney, not Floridian taxpayers at large, who has to pay them off. That was the case before, that's still the case, nothing actually changed. I know a lot of reporting said it was going to, but that reporting was mostly from last year, and largely predicated on the idea that the special district would be dissolved completely. But that's not what actually happened.

You're telling me a Pride Night wouldn't draw a negative reaction from that fake tough guy?

Has it? Show me.

 

[wareyin]

Oh look, we're being told to ignore the evidence our lying eyes see, and accept Zig's bizzaro world interpretation of "nuh-uh that's not what happened" solely on his say so.


And ignore how much of this Zig has already been shown to be wrong about, please. This time he's really the expert who is smart enough to see through what DeSantis said and did to know the real motivation in his secret heart of hearts.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Fanboys gonna fanboy.

 

[Ziggurat]

Oh look, we're being told to ignore the evidence our lying eyes see, and accept Zig's bizzaro world interpretation of "nuh-uh that's not what happened" solely on his say so.

Donal's description left out that Disney was opposing specific legislation. That's rather germane to everything that happened. That's not my say-so, even Bob Iger conceded that.

 

[Donal]

Uh, yeah, no. That's really not an accurate description of what happened, and it's really not what DeSantis objected to.

It is exactly what happened.

Oh, he didn't try to, he did.

And like all of his endeavors in his fake tough guy "war on woke", it backfired.

Nope. That's not happening either. RCID has not been disolved, but only renamed and restructured as the CFTOD. The CFTOD is now responsible for repaying those bonds, and can only do so by taxing within the district. Which means that it's still Disney, not Floridian taxpayers at large, who has to pay them off. That was the case before, that's still the case, nothing actually changed. I know a lot of reporting said it was going to, but that reporting was mostly from last year, and largely predicated on the idea that the special district would be dissolved completely. But that's not what actually happened.

Hey look, someone who believes DeStantis' nonsense. You're going to have a hard time if you keep doing that.

Has it? Show me.

I repeat: Something something something family values something something Disney hates conservatives blah blah blah something something "wokism"

 

[Donal]

Donal's description left out that Disney was opposing specific legislation. That's rather germane to everything that happened. That's not my say-so, even Bob Iger conceded that.

It was a lukewarm response that trans people exist. Meatball Ron's big manly feelings were hurt because it came while he was pushing his Wish.com version of the Nuremburg Codes.