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The DeSantis gambit

The Great Zaganza said:
Your basic claim is that DeSantis was acting in Good Faith, which is patently untrue.
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No, that's not my basic claim. My basic claim is DeSantis doesn't care about Disney pride night, and won't respond to it. The counter claim was that he does, and will.

So has he? Will he? That's the real test. Nobody so far has found a response from him.
 
Ziggurat said:
You're trying to debate the merits of the law. I just told you that's not relevant to my claim. It's also off topic.
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NONSENSE!!

It is directly relevant to your claim. We are discussing DeSantis's fight with Disney and what the fight is about.

This is all about hatred disguised as caring about children. DeSantis may not personally hate gays but there is little reason to say he isn't selling hate under the guise of caring about children.
 
Ziggurat said:
No, that's not my basic claim. My basic claim is DeSantis doesn't care about Disney pride night, and won't respond to it. The counter claim was that he does, and will.

So has he? Will he? That's the real test. Nobody so far has found a response from him.
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Moving goalposts.

What has Disney, a private company and entitled to Free Speech considerations, done that would justify the retaliation visited upon it by DeSantis?

Apart from insinuating that it might not donate that much money to him going forward?
 
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The Great Zaganza said:
Moving goalposts.
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Nope. Trace back this part of the conversation, you will see that's where it started. Do you need me to do that for you, or can you figure it out on your own?

What has Disney, a private company and entitled to Free Speech considerations, done that would justify the retaliation visited upon it by DeSantis?
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What justifies removing Disney's special privileges is that they shouldn't have had them in the first place. Leftists used to recognize that. They're only trying to defend those privileges now to stick it to DeSantis, they can't justify them on their own terms.
 
acbytesla said:
NONSENSE!!

It is directly relevant to your claim.
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You have lost track of which claim this specific discussion was about. It's about whether DeSantis cares about Disney holding a pride night. That's the context of these last posts. Follow it back, you'll see.
 
Ziggurat said:
Oh, you can call it all of those if you really want. But what it isn't is simply DeSantis hating teh gays. It was about an opposition to sexualizing children. I'm not interested in debating whether or not that goal is important, whether or not his perception of that problem is correct, whether or not the legislation was an appropriate response. None of that matters for my claim. But that was still the motive.
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All these things you're not interested in debating amounts to simply refusing to question whether his stated motive is believable. Why must we take it at face value without debate?
 
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Ziggurat said:
You have lost track of which claim this specific discussion was about. It's about whether DeSantis cares about Disney holding a pride night. That's the context of these last posts. Follow it back, you'll see.
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DeSantis cares. He's selling hate. That's what he does. It's his shtick. Can't sell anything of real value to the poor uneducated whites but hate. Pitch xenophobia, racism and homophobia. Get them to forget his corruption and his kowtowing to the wealthy.
 
Ziggurat said:
What justifies removing Disney's special privileges is that they shouldn't have had them in the first place.
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Noooo! You said it was about sexualizing children.

Then when asked, you said it is not relevant, but only relevant that it is NOT about Pride night.
 
gnome said:
All these things you're not interested in debating amounts to simply refusing to question whether his stated motive is believable. Why must we take it at face value without debate?
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You can debate it all you want. But the proof is in the pudding. Will DeSantis respond to Disney's pride night? I think he won't. Many here are claiming he will. If he does, then I will know I was wrong. If he doesn't, will they conclude likewise?
 
angrysoba said:
Noooo! You said it was about sexualizing children.
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You have conflated motivation with justification. They are not actually the same, though people often confuse them. We can never know for sure what motivates another person. But if their actions are justified, then that suffices. Doing the right thing for the wrong reasons is still doing the right thing, and doing the wrong thing is likewise wrong regardless of the reason.
 
Ziggurat said:
You have conflated motivation with justification. They are not actually the same, though people often confuse them. We can never know for sure what motivates another person. But if their actions are justified, then that suffices. Doing the right thing for the wrong reasons is still doing the right thing, and doing the wrong thing is likewise wrong regardless of the reason.
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Not what you suggested before...

Ziggurat said:
Oh, you can call it all of those if you really want. But what it isn't is simply DeSantis hating teh gays. It was about an opposition to sexualizing children. I'm not interested in debating whether or not that goal is important, whether or not his perception of that problem is correct, whether or not the legislation was an appropriate response. None of that matters for my claim. But that was still the motive. Disney's pride night doesn't really have anything to do with that. That's why it's not going to matter to him.

It was claimed that DeSantis would respond to this to express how upset it made him. If he did, that would prove me wrong. If he didn't, well, that should be suggestive that maybe I'm right. Can you find any response from DeSantis about Disney's pride night? I haven't seen any yet.
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Much of this whole debate you are engaged in now is you claiming to know what motivates DeSantis.
 
angrysoba said:
I suppose Ziggurat is not going to explain the DeSantis spat with Disney because doing so in simple terms will only highlight how ridiculous it is. Either it will reveal extreme pettiness, some virtue signaling to bigots or some combination of the two.

So, DeSantis is anti-vax, anti-trans, anti-gay, anti-CRT and anti-academic freedom judging by his appointments, statements and legislation all in an attempt to win the crazy vote from the Trump campaign which is effortlessly outflanking him.

I think we can put a fork in this one.
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IOW right on message for today's GOP and 40%+ of the US electorate :(
 
The Don said:
IOW right on message for today's GOP and 40%+ of the US electorate :(
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What Ziggurat wants to convey is probably that "De Santis is trolling the libs," and the main reason why many of the supposedly "sensible" conservatives supported Trump in the early days. While the "drinking liberal tears" sounded soooo edgy half a decade ago, it is now just embarassing, and even Zig knows it.
 
DeSantis is
DeSantis claimed that Disney was given an exemption that the governor claims was 'snuck' into a bill. He now says he almost vetoed it because of that very exemption... which his own staff helped to write.

The other bill signed by DeSantis, FL SB 6-C, repeals a carve-out tucked into a law passed last year that exempted Disney and other theme parks from a law cracking down on tech companies, a policy that is currently being challenged in federal court.

DeSantis claimed Friday that this provision was “snuck into” the bill, but records previously reported show that the governor’s own staff helped write it to benefit Disney.
“Gov. DeSantis claims that he hates special privileges and special perks, except he actually helps facilitate them all the time, so he’s a giant hypocrite,” state Rep. Carlos Guillermo Smith (D-Orlando) said Friday. “It’s when they take away your campaign contributions and speak out against your extreme agenda is when you no longer support them.”
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More on the highlighted part from the Tampa Bay Times:
“At the eleventh hour when the Legislature was doing this, Disney got them to put in a carveout for theme parks,” DeSantis said Thursday during a news conference in West Palm Beach in which he called for ending the company’s “special privileges.”
“I’m thinking to myself, ‘This is ridiculous.’ Honestly, it was embarrassing,” he added, saying he considered vetoing the legislation because of the carveout.

But DeSantis’ own staff helped write it. Emails between staff working for the governor’s office and the House Commerce Committee show that DeSantis’ legislative affairs director, Stephanie Kopelousos, was in communication with Disney to propose bill language written by the company. The emails were first reported by the Seeking Rents newsletter, which shared them with the Tampa Bay Times.
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Oh, so Meatball Ron doesn't mind lying through his pointed teeth to make some precious, petty point when he gets totally embarrassed, nay pwned, publicly.

Why am I not surprised.
 
Susheel said:
What Ziggurat wants to convey is probably that "De Santis is trolling the libs," and the main reason why many of the supposedly "sensible" conservatives supported Trump in the early days. While the "drinking liberal tears" sounded soooo edgy half a decade ago, it is now just embarassing, and even Zig knows it.
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AWWWWWW....this made me think of Warp...and how much I do NOT miss him.
 
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