The biggest straw man

[twinstead]

Question:

Why does the Right insist on using the problems in Venezuela as an example of why those who want 'socialism' in the US are wrong.

When Norway or Denmark or (insert wealthy, successful Democratic Socialist country here) start having those issues then they will have a point; who in their right mind uses Venezuela as a shining example of 'socialism', and why do those on the right insist on this glaring straw man?

 

[logger]

Question:

Why does the Right insist on using the problems in Venezuela as an example of why those who want 'socialism' in the US are wrong.

When Norway or Denmark or (insert wealthy, successful Democratic Socialist country here) start having those issues then they will have a point; who in their right mind uses Venezuela as a shining example of 'socialism', and why do those on the right insist on this glaring straw man?

Because there isn't much the US democrats disagree with Venezuela on.

 

[twinstead]

Because there isn't much the US democrats disagree with Venezuela on.

I'm going to need a citation for that gem. Sounds like you are one of the folks using that straw man. I certainly don't view Venezuela as a country to emulate.

 

[Tony Stark]

Because there isn't much the US democrats disagree with Venezuela on.

Outright lie.

 

[Shalamar]

Question:

Why does the Right insist on using the problems in Venezuela as an example of why those who want 'socialism' in the US are wrong.

When Norway or Denmark or (insert wealthy, successful Democratic Socialist country here) start having those issues then they will have a point; who in their right mind uses Venezuela as a shining example of 'socialism', and why do those on the right insist on this glaring straw man?

Two reasons, as I see it: To get a rise out of 'leftists' so they can 'LOL look at the libtard leftists'. As for the second, because those that are making such a comparison are not very bright.

 

[logger]

I'm going to need a citation for that gem. Sounds like you are one of the folks using that straw man. I certainly don't view Venezuela as a country to emulate.

Lets try it this way. What specifically is Norway and Denmark doing differently than Venezuela?
And do Nor and Den consider themselves socialist?

And finally what specifically about Venezuelas socialist government would you do differently?

 

[logger]

Two reasons, as I see it: To get a rise out of 'leftists' so they can 'LOL look at the libtard leftists'. As for the second, because those that are making such a comparison are not very bright.

And of course the Venezuelan socialist are bright. Lol

Being so bright they should be dancin in the street!

 

[phiwum]

And of course the Venezuelan socialist are bright. Lol

Being so bright they should be dancin in the street!

That's a brilliant riposte, totally relevant and everything. He should never have said Venezuelan socialists are intelligent!

Way to show him!

 

[twinstead]

Lets try it this way. What specifically is Norway and Denmark doing differently than Venezuela?
And do Nor and Den consider themselves socialist?

And finally what specifically about Venezuelas socialist government would you do differently?

https://www.quora.com/Are-Venezuela...-Bernie-Sanders-would-not-be-good-for-America

"Venezuela has virtually nothing in common with the strong mixed economies that Bernie Sanders points to a good models. Those being the Nordic countries and The Netherlands, among others. In those countries you see well regulated capitalism mixed with transparency in government, where social programs, policies and projects are managed. The latter are paid for by taxes generated by a strong economy, driven by high wages which results in a population with disposable income available to spend on wants rather than necessities. This is not to say there is zero greed in the private sector or zero corruption in the public sector. Those factors exist, but they are rare compared to places like Venezuela and the United States."

 

[logger]

That's a brilliant riposte, totally relevant and everything. He should never have said Venezuelan socialists are intelligent!

Way to show him!

Yours sure made up for his.

Now on to answering my questions!

 

[Spindrift]

Yours sure made up for his.

Now on to answering my questions!

How about answering the question in the OP first?

 

[Tony Stark]

Norway and Denmark have about as much economic freedom as the US does. But they have higher taxes and social spending which makes for a better society for everyone.

 

[phiwum]

Yours sure made up for his.

Now on to answering my questions!

Sorry, your questions about socialism are no concern of mine. Your utter non-sequiturs, however, ought to be called out from time to time.

I have no opinion on which socialist nations are true socialist nations and I'm not interested in pushing for socialism in the U.S.

 

[Ryokan]

Since the end of WW2, pretty much every second prime minister and cabinet in Norway has been from the right. Currently we have the most right wing government since we became a democracy.

I think labeling Scandinavia as socialist has more to do with American definitions than with political reality. Remember that many in the US claim Obama is a marxist communist!

 

[logger]

https://www.quora.com/Are-Venezuela...-Bernie-Sanders-would-not-be-good-for-America

"Venezuela has virtually nothing in common with the strong mixed economies that Bernie Sanders points to a good models. Those being the Nordic countries and The Netherlands, among others. In those countries you see well regulated capitalism mixed with transparency in government, where social programs, policies and projects are managed. The latter are paid for by taxes generated by a strong economy, driven by high wages which results in a population with disposable income available to spend on wants rather than necessities. This is not to say there is zero greed in the private sector or zero corruption in the public sector. Those factors exist, but they are rare compared to places like Venezuela and the United States."

So what is the difference? Need more specifics.
Venezuela has well regulated capitalism. Hell they even have oil, something those others don't have.

 

[BobTheCoward]

Norway and Denmark have about as much economic freedom as the US does. But they have higher taxes and social spending which makes for a better society for everyone.

You don't get to define what constitutes "better" in this discussion. You can put out what you think matters, and the rest of us can decide for ourselves if it is better.

 

[logger]

Since the end of WW2, pretty much every second prime minister and cabinet in Norway has been from the right. Currently we have the most right wing government since we became a democracy.

I think labeling Scandinavia as socialist has more to do with American definitions than with political reality. Remember that many in the US claim Obama is a marxist communist!

Its fascinating how well your country is doing, I hear it constantly from the left. When is someone going to do a comparison so the rest of the world can emulate it.

 

[logger]

Sorry, your questions about socialism are no concern of mine. Your utter non-sequiturs, however, ought to be called out from time to time.

I have no opinion on which socialist nations are true socialist nations and I'm not interested in pushing for socialism in the U.S.

Well I'm sure glad you're there to set me straight.

 

[TraneWreck]

Two reasons, as I see it: To get a rise out of 'leftists' so they can 'LOL look at the libtard leftists'. As for the second, because those that are making such a comparison are not very bright.

Thread should have ended here.

 

[Tony Stark]

You don't get to define what constitutes "better" in this discussion. You can put out what you think matters, and the rest of us can decide for ourselves if it is better.

I don't decide, reality does. And reality says that lots of people in America die because they can't afford healthcare while other countries are able to eliminate that problem.