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The biggest straw man

Using taxes to fund a social safety net isn't socialism despite what fanatical, ignorant right wingers say. Hell, one can firmly believe that capitalism is a superior to socialism and at the same time believe that there should be a decent safety net. In fact many people do. In American, they are called Democrats.
 
jimbob said:
It's a pretty poor excuse for claiming it was a ridiculous question because you didn't know what PhantomWolf's country was.

What freedoms do you have that PhantomWolf's country doesn't?
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Doesn't really matter which country Phantomwolf is from.
logger said:
Whatever country you're from, I can promise it is but a pimple on our ass!
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Although judging by some of these rankings, it seems the US's ass is where it's head should be.
 
logger said:
Not in reality again? We have quite the safety net!

There isn't any sinking in this country.
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I suggest you get educated about this. There is plenty of sinking. There is a safety net, but people slip through it and sink, sometimes without trace.

Yes, I'm a bleeding heart liberal, you probably object to most of my positions on social welfare and state assistance. That's not the point.

Don't pretend that the problem doesn't exist, because it does. There is a wealth of evidence to show that poverty - in a wide sense (not just economic poverty) is a huge issue in modern society. In the US as much as anywhere.
 
Worm said:
I suggest you get educated about this. There is plenty of sinking. There is a safety net, but people slip through it and sink, sometimes without trace.

Yes, I'm a bleeding heart liberal, you probably object to most of my positions on social welfare and state assistance. That's not the point.

Don't pretend that the problem doesn't exist, because it does. There is a wealth of evidence to show that poverty - in a wide sense (not just economic poverty) is a huge issue in modern society. In the US as much as anywhere.
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Ah, but because the US is the land of opportunity where anyone can make it*, anyone who is poor has effectively brought it on themselves through their fecklessness and lack of ambition and can therefore be discounted on the grounds that they deserve it.

The only people who are poor in the US are the undeserving poor :rolleyes:

* - as long as you start in the top quintile
 
Worm said:
I suggest you get educated about this. There is plenty of sinking. There is a safety net, but people slip through it and sink, sometimes without trace.
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What is society to do?
Yes, I'm a bleeding heart liberal, you probably object to most of my positions on social welfare and state assistance.
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Agreed
Don't pretend that the problem doesn't exist, because it does. There is a wealth of evidence to show that poverty - in a wide sense (not just economic poverty) is a huge issue in modern society. In the US as much as anywhere.
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Did I say it doesn't exist? I said people have the tools to get out, the same tools I had.
 
Tony Stark said:
Using taxes to fund a social safety net isn't socialism despite what fanatical, ignorant right wingers say. Hell, one can firmly believe that capitalism is a superior to socialism and at the same time believe that there should be a decent safety net. In fact many people do. In American, they are called Democrats.
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Once again, you haven't a clue. Republicans, even conservatives aren't for getting rid of the SN.
 
You're obviously not paying attention. There are no undeserving poor. They chose that lifestyle, period.
 
jimbob said:
What did Ducky do wrong, apart from getting ill?
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Oh it would be fantastic that we wouldn't have one single Ducky in the country.:rolleyes:

What the hell is one ******* example supposed to show? Should I send in my government donation now?

Just pure leftist emotion is all your side runs on.
 
acbytesla said:
We can afford the ACA. We don't have to give a Trillion dollars tax cut. But what it really is time for is a total overhaul. It's time for single payer and let government negotiate pharmaceuticals.
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Why pharmaceuticals? We're already running out of antibiotics, do you want to finish it off completely?

Wouldn't it be more important to deal with tort reform?
 
logger said:
Did I say it doesn't exist? I said people have the tools to get out, the same tools I had.
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No, they don't. Those tools aren't working, not for everyone. People are falling through the holes, people are living in abject poverty, scratching to get by and living an existence you and I can only imagine from a distance. People are dying. The tools aren't working, but we need to make them better, not throw them away.
 
logger said:
Why pharmaceuticals? We're already running out of antibiotics, do you want to finish it off completely?
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ROFLMAO. Since when are we running out of antibiotics? And BTW, other nations do this. Why shouldn't we? Why do Congressional leaders insist that American citizens pay significantly more for the same drugs then the French, Germans, Danish, Japanese, Canadians, etc, etc, etc?
logger said:
Wouldn't it be more important to deal with tort reform?
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We can address tort reform but to answer your question, no. It's a grossly exaggerated issue. Not that it isn't one or that it shouldn't be addressed.
 
acbytesla said:
ROFLMAO. Since when are we running out of antibiotics? And BTW, other nations do this. Why shouldn't we? Why do Congressional leaders insist that American citizens pay significantly more for the same drugs then the French, Germans, Danish, Japanese, Canadians, etc, etc, etc?
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Really? You didn't know this?
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/...bugs-antibiotics-resistance-disease-medicine/
We can address tort reform but to answer your question, no. It's a grossly exaggerated issue. Not that it isn't one or that it shouldn't be addressed.
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Grossly? It is one of several main causes.
 
acbytesla said:
You're right. The way we manage healthcare, it is expensive. But that because Congress is looking out for Big Pharma, the insurance industry and for profit healthcare.We pay twice as much and get less because of it. And it's not me saying it. Warren Buffett calls it the tapeworm of the American economy.

We can afford the ACA. We don't have to give a Trillion dollars tax cut. But what it really is time for is a total overhaul. It's time for single payer and let government negotiate pharmaceuticals.
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I don't even necessarily disagree with single payer, it's obviously heard that way. Government has done its best to force it.

Eventually you're going to get everything you want. There's no way a small contingent of rich are going to be able to hold back the masses from getting their freebies. But the biggest reason is the world is headed that way to set up for the Ant-Christ. I'm sure none here believe that but it's obvious to believers.
 
PhantomWolf said:
Still waiting for you to tell me what Freedoms you have that I don't.
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Maybe the freedom to buy dangerous products and then be barred from suing a company when you suffer damages because of a hidden binding arbitration clause?

Maybe the right to die of easily treatable conditions and/or declare bankruptcy due to health care costs?

The right to begin your adult life with a mortgage but no house because of higher education costs?

You losers just don't understand how free it is over here.
 
logger said:
I don't even necessarily disagree with single payer, it's obviously heard that way. Government has done its best to force it.

Eventually you're going to get everything you want. There's no way a small contingent of rich are going to be able to hold back the masses from getting their freebies. But the biggest reason is the world is headed that way to set up for the Ant-Christ. I'm sure none here believe that but it's obvious to believers.
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Well that escalated quickly.
 
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