The Biden Presidency

[TurkeysGhost]

There we go! Weeks schmeeks, we want no investigation at all! No asking for the employee's side, no review of video, hell not even engaging (that means talking) with the person the employee is alleged to have talked to! And if that means we don't have anyone to work the counter, that's just the price you have to pay for being righteous! And if we spend all our time firing all our people instead of working for the people, it's even better!



Dang, I still used too many big words? Sorry, I really don't feel like trying to dumb it down more for you.

1 day after the incident Ducklo's bosses apologized for the conduct and an apology letter was offered. Seems there was very little confusion as to whether it happened and the delay was very much about whether or not he would be punished in any meaningful sense.

What would you like to have seen, a congressional commission? A 300 page report? There was a complaint about which the details were largely agreed. Ducklo said the gross things he was accused and everyone was of the same understanding by 1 day after it occurred. Literally the only thing that changed over the following weeks was the press coverage.

"Last night on the phone with you I lost my temper in a way that was unprofessional, and I apologize for that. I should have done a better job at keeping my emotions in check during our conversation. It won't happen again."

 

[wareyin]

1 day after the incident Ducklo's bosses apologized for the conduct and an apology letter was offered. Seems there was very little confusion as to whether it happened and the delay was very much about whether or not he would be punished in any meaningful sense.

What would you like to have seen, and congressional commission? A 300 page report? There was a complaint about which the details were largely agreed. Ducklo said the gross things he was accused and everyone was of the same understanding by 1 day after it occurred. Literally the only thing that changed over the following weeks was the press coverage.

Wait, is this the sound of you finally getting close to almost starting to elaborate what it is you think the administration did wrong and what they should have done instead?

Or is this instead a retreat to pretending to misunderstanding the engagement between Ducklo's superiors and Político's people that occured after this one day?

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Wait, is this the sound of you finally getting close to almost starting to elaborate what it is you think the administration did wrong and what they should have done instead?

Or is this instead a retreat to pretending to misunderstanding the engagement between Ducklo's superiors and Político's people that occured after this one day?

I'm starting to think you didn't read anything about this case at all.

The criticism from the start is that this guy engaged in bad behavior and was obviously not going to be meaningfully punished until bad press forced the issue weeks after the fact, which flies in direct contrast to Biden's "zero tolerance" policy for unprofessional and harassing conduct in his administration.

Since then there's been nothing but bad-faith denials and playing dumb here that is truly embarrassing, be it questioning whether it ever happened, or whether there simply wasn't enough time, or that some in-depth investigation was needed before taking action on an obvious breach of acceptable conduct.

 

[wareyin]

I'm starting to think you didn't read anything about this case at all.

The criticism from the start is that this guy engaged in bad behavior and was obviously not going to be punished until bad press forced the issue.

What is obvious to those biased against the administration is not even a reasonable interpretation to others.

Since then there's been nothing but bad-faith denials and playing dumb here that is truly embarrassing, be it questioning whether it ever happened,

Denials? Questioning whether it happened? My word, i must have missed those! Or...maybe you misread what others were patiently explaining to you over and over?

or whether there simply wasn't enough time, or that some in-depth investigation was needed before taking action on an obvious breach of acceptable conduct.

Wait, I thought you said action had been taken the day after the incident. Then, after further "engagement" with Politico, Ducklo was forced to resign (further action). Are you changing the timeline now?

 

[TurkeysGhost]

What is obvious to those biased against the administration is not even a reasonable interpretation to others.


Denials? Questioning whether it happened? My word, i must have missed those! Or...maybe you misread what others were patiently explaining to you over and over?



Wait, I thought you said action had been taken the day after the incident. Then, after further "engagement" with Politico, Ducklo was forced to resign (further action). Are you changing the timeline now?

Ducklo received a wrist slap. Weeks later he was fired a day after a negative press story published. Why do you think the timing worked out that way?

 

[mgidm86]

My scroll wheel is getting a real workout skipping all these posts!

 

[Roger Ramjets]

But the firing is none of that. It is small, easy to get a grasp on and many of us have probably been in one position of another in whole shebang. It involves only a couple of people and has no (or at least very little) policy implications. In short, it's a perfect debate topic!

No, that's not it.

You see, 'progressives' only voted for Biden because he wasn't Trump. But now that Trump's gone they can see that Biden isn't that much different. Once again they've been duped into voting for an Elite Establishment that is focused on maintaining the Status Quo and doesn't care about them.

So they can't let anything go unchallenged no matter how small, lest people become complacent and start accepting things we never would have from Trump. There's only one way to do that - zero tolerance for anything the Biden administration does that has even the merest hint of corruption, hypocrisy or broken promises. And of course if anyone in his administration does anything perceived as improper then Biden himself is personally responsible, just like Trump was with his people.

When they were attacking Trump we cheered and egged them on. But now they're going at our guy and we we don't like it. We can't understand why they are doing it, but they are only doing what they always did. Don't expect them to lay off just because Biden is a Democrat.

That's one in a month. He's falling behind. Trump averaged just a hair under 21 per day or 628 a month.

One lie is an outrage. 628 a month is a statistic.

 

[Stacyhs]

I'm watching Biden's town hall. How refreshing to watch Pres. Biden actually answering questions instead of campaigning which was what Trump's 'town halls' were...when he bothered to actually take questions from anyone other than OANN and Fox.

And no insults, mocking anyone, or telling us how great he is.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Maybe I missed this, but were there any indications that the $2000 promise really meant $1400 + 600 prior to the election?

Based on my recollection of the GA special election, I don't remember any politician specifying this detail. The $1400 line really seems like the kind of tactic a used car salesman would pull on you. Perhaps it's technically true, but there's more than a bit of deception at play. Based on the heavy campaigning that was promising $2000, can you really blame people for feeling like they are getting cheated out of $600?

I'm willing to admit I'm wrong on this if anyone can point to a pre-election statement from anyone to the effect that the $2000 checks promised would actually only be $1400.

All this is assuming that we're actually going to get these $1400 checks whenever the covid relief bill finally passes (which seems the likely outcome). It's one thing to pull a fast one and trim $600 off the check, but reneging on this very high profile promise entirely would be political suicide.

There's also been some talk of tightening the means testing so that many people that received the relief checks from Trump won't receive them from Biden. This strikes me as extremely politically short-sighted.

 

[Bob001]

Moving on, anybody watching the Biden town hall? He's plenty smart and articulate, and his heart's in the right place, and he wants to move in the right directions, but I wish he wouldn't ramble so much.

 

[acbytesla]

Maybe I missed this, but were there any indications that the $2000 promise really meant $1400 + 600 prior to the election?

Based on my recollection of the GA special election, I don't remember any politician specifying this detail. The $1400 line really seems like the kind of tactic a used car salesman would pull on you. Perhaps it's technically true, but there's more than a bit of deception at play. Based on the heavy campaigning that was promising $2000, can you really blame people for feeling like they are getting cheated out of $600?

I'm willing to admit I'm wrong on this if anyone can point to a pre-election statement from anyone to the effect that the $2000 checks promised would actually only be $1400.

All this is assuming that we're actually going to get these $1400 checks whenever the covid relief bill finally passes (which seems the likely outcome). It's one thing to pull a fast one and trim $600 off the check, but reneging on this very high profile promise entirely would be political suicide.

There's also been some talk of tightening the means testing so that many people that received the relief checks from Trump won't receive them from Biden. This strikes me as extremely politically short-sighted.

I thought it did.

 

[Dread Pirate Roberts]

Maybe I missed this, but were there any indications that the $2000 promise really meant $1400 + 600 prior to the election?

Based on my recollection of the GA special election, I don't remember any politician specifying this detail. The $1400 line really seems like the kind of tactic a used car salesman would pull on you. Perhaps it's technically true, but there's more than a bit of deception at play. Based on the heavy campaigning that was promising $2000, can you really blame people for feeling like they are getting cheated out of $600?

I'm willing to admit I'm wrong on this if anyone can point to a pre-election statement from anyone to the effect that the $2000 checks promised would actually only be $1400.

All this is assuming that we're actually going to get these $1400 checks whenever the covid relief bill finally passes (which seems the likely outcome). It's one thing to pull a fast one and trim $600 off the check, but reneging on this very high profile promise entirely would be political suicide.

There's also been some talk of tightening the means testing so that many people that received the relief checks from Trump won't receive them from Biden. This strikes me as extremely politically short-sighted.

I think most anyone without an ax to grind can easily understand "Hey, we tried for $2000 in that last relief bill, but the GOP only passed $600. So we're going to make up the difference in this one, along with all the other stuff"

 

[Beelzebuddy]

Maybe I missed this, but were there any indications that the $2000 promise really meant $1400 + 600 prior to the election?

Based on my recollection of the GA special election, I don't remember any politician specifying this detail. The $1400 line really seems like the kind of tactic a used car salesman would pull on you. Perhaps it's technically true, but there's more than a bit of deception at play. Based on the heavy campaigning that was promising $2000, can you really blame people for feeling like they are getting cheated out of $600?

I'm willing to admit I'm wrong on this if anyone can point to a pre-election statement from anyone to the effect that the $2000 checks promised would actually only be $1400.

All this is assuming that we're actually going to get these $1400 checks whenever the covid relief bill finally passes (which seems the likely outcome). It's one thing to pull a fast one and trim $600 off the check, but reneging on this very high profile promise entirely would be political suicide.

There's also been some talk of tightening the means testing so that many people that received the relief checks from Trump won't receive them from Biden. This strikes me as extremely politically short-sighted.

I would suggest you take a close look at any of your contacts saying this sort of thing.

One of the things I've been consciously mindful of since the election is sudden shifts in rhetoric following the political winds. On some other sites, users who I'd pegged as cypto-maga (the kind who'd never SAY they were devoted followers but gosh darn it if they didn't completely independently find identical reasons to support every single thing Trump did) have started using the exact argument you're giving here. I don't think you're intentionally spouting GOP talking points, but you ARE spouting GOP talking points. Maybe a little introspective house cleaning should be in order.

 

[smartcooky]

Maybe I missed this, but were there any indications that the $2000 promise really meant $1400 + 600 prior to the election?

Based on my recollection of the GA special election, I don't remember any politician specifying this detail. The $1400 line really seems like the kind of tactic a used car salesman would pull on you. Perhaps it's technically true, but there's more than a bit of deception at play. Based on the heavy campaigning that was promising $2000, can you really blame people for feeling like they are getting cheated out of $600?

I'm willing to admit I'm wrong on this if anyone can point to a pre-election statement from anyone to the effect that the $2000 checks promised would actually only be $1400.

All this is assuming that we're actually going to get these $1400 checks whenever the covid relief bill finally passes (which seems the likely outcome). It's one thing to pull a fast one and trim $600 off the check, but reneging on this very high profile promise entirely would be political suicide.

There's also been some talk of tightening the means testing so that many people that received the relief checks from Trump won't receive them from Biden. This strikes me as extremely politically short-sighted.

Understanding that it was $1400 requires only two things from the observer

1. The ability to add and subtract

2. The ability to pay attention

 

[Delvo]

The psychoanalysis in here is getting really weird. Biden-defenders spend pages defending him over this not-fired-fired guy... and then ponder the mystery of why a Biden critic would spend the same pages criticizing over something so insignificant and obviously not worth it.

 

[Aridas]

Maybe I missed this, but were there any indications that the $2000 promise really meant $1400 + 600 prior to the election?

Yes. As in that was *quite* clear all along. More specifically, it was that the $2000 was the promised number that the Democrats were pushing for and the $600 was what they had to settle for to get any relief actually happening. The $1400 is pretty much an action to finish that particular push.

 

[Delvo]

...except that they were still saying they'd do 2000 after the 600 had already been done.

And that was months ago now anyway, so even if the switch to talking about 1400 had been immediate when the 600 came out, there's still the fact that any amount they were going to do back then would need to be bigger now, because people who need it have just gone a few more months without it and the amounts we're talking about would be on the low end for one month's expenses.

 

[Aridas]

...except that they were still saying they'd do 2000 after the 600 had already been done.

Which doesn't actually change anything when it was pretty obvious that they were simply referring to what they had said before and that they were trying to make that happen.

And that was months ago now anyway, so even if the switch to talking about 1400 had been immediate when the 600 came out, there's still the fact that any amount they were going to do back then would need to be bigger now, because people who need it have just gone a few more months without it and the amounts we're talking about would be on the low end for one month's expenses.

I'm not going to argue against the usefulness of increasing it more. As the Biden Administration seems to have made clear, the sentiment is that the danger there is in going too little, not too much. With that said, demanding that they fulfill a promise that they didn't actually make isn't especially reasonable. For the most part, though, the Democrats seem to be trying to make good and very popular things happen there. Manchin and Sinema seem to be throwing a bit of a wrench into getting things to happen, though, so that's slowing things down unfortunately. Also, the DC Republicans, of course, while entirely welcome to do what most of their voters want, aren't so interested in the will of the people. Seems like a number of Republican officials outside DC are making their support clear, though.

 

[smartcooky]

...except that they were still saying they'd do 2000 after the 600 had already been done.

[citation needed]

Even down here, thousands of miles away at the bottom the the Pacific, I clearly understood that $1400 was always topping up the $600 that the GOP grudgingly approved, to the $2000 the the Dems wanted. Always

At no stage did anyone on either side of the debate ever talk about the cheques being $2600 (which is essentially what you are claiming).

Dec 29, 2020 "Lawmakers agreed on sending Americans $600 stimulus checks, but now there’s an effort afoot to up those payments to $2,000"

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/29/if-stimulus-checks-are-raised-to-2000-heres-how-that-may-work-.html

January 14, 2021 "President-elect Joe Biden is calling for additional payments of $1,400 to bring the recent stimulus checks to $2,000 per person."

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/14/bid...us-checks-to-2000-how-payments-will-work.html

January 21, 2021: "Schumer said a relief bill would contain the $1,400, on top of the $600 individual payments Congress approved last month, to equal a $2,000 payment to millions of Americans."

https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending...ou-see-1400-check/RI6PQ6VVTVDQ5LJRCLMYFNM3WM/
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[Aridas]

Note - the following link is not to a news article, but rather to a blog done by a resident.

Things are very very bad in Texas

I suppose we'll see how the Biden Administration ends up handling it.