Cont: The Biden Presidency (4)

Skeptic Ginger said:
Sorry, forgive my limited knowledge of all the wars in the region. I can't parse this. Which genocide when and who was rewarded? 1900s?

How far back should we go, all the way back through the wars described in the Bible?
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I mean in the 1900s, when Arabs genocided the native Jews whose ancestors had not been taken away. They wanted to sever the last claim any descendant of those who had been stolen to the land the Arabs now claimed, and figured with the end of the Ottoman Empire and colonization by the victors that more Jews might be expelled from Europe and try to come to their ancestral lands, to join the ones already there. To assign all of Canaan to only Arabs is to confirm and validate that genocide.
 
dudalb said:
My, the Israel haters are outing themselves.
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If admitting that Israel's treatment of the Palestinians has been violently oppressive apartheid can only be motivated by hatred, would the only possible non-hating position be to deny the apartheiditude of Israel's treatment of the Palestinians?

Skeptic Ginger said:
Sorry, forgive my limited knowledge of all the wars in the region. I can't parse this. Which genocide when and who was rewarded? 1900s?

How far back should we go, all the way back through the wars described in the Bible?
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My mother's English ancestors stole England from Celts... and that was after moving there from Germany, where their ancestors together with my father's German ancestors had already stolen that land from pre-Indo-European people we know practically nothing about and don't even know of a name for. And that was long enough ago that those people might have even had marginally darker skin than my own ancestors! :jaw-dropp
 
dudalb said:
My, the Israel haters are outing themselves.
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Delvo said:
If admitting that Israel's treatment of the Palestinians has been violently oppressive apartheid can only be motivated by hatred, would the only possible non-hating position be to deny the apartheiditude of Israel's treatment of the Palestinians?
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Also, since you have sided with Ukraine against Russia: what's the idea behind siding with the people getting invaded & occupied in one case but siding with the invaders & occupiers in the other case? Clearly it can't be based on the "invasion & occupation" perspective, so what else is it that sits behind these two positions?
 
Delvo said:
Also, since you have sided with Ukraine against Russia: what's the idea behind siding with the people getting invaded & occupied in one case but siding with the invaders & occupiers in the other case? Clearly it can't be based on the "invasion & occupation" perspective, so what else is it that sits behind these two positions?
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I'm rather tempted to answer this with an oversimplified answer. In both cases, he's siding against a terrorist state. Whatever legitimate grievances the Palestinians have, and they do have many, Hamas is quite in the wrong for the the outright terrorism that they've chosen to employ and celebrate, over and over, including against Palestinians and those who were seeking to aid them.

Also, there's real differences between collateral damage to civilians because a military is using them as shields in one way or another, i.e. what Israel's facing, and directly targeting civilians as strategy, which is what Hamas (and Russia) has done. To be clear, Israel's almost certainly committing war crimes on top of that, but Hamas' actions and tactics very much muddy the waters there.
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
And the way it was done, unbelievable and without foresight how they simply ignored the people** living in large swaths of the area the same way we thought it was fine to drive the indigenous people off their lands.
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I get that. Raised as a Jew, the line I remember was “We offered the inhabitants a chance to live with us in peace and harmony in a multicultural, and multiethnic new nation, but instead they launched a war against us.”

I know it’s far, far more complicated and nuanced than that, but it’s how I was taught to see the conflict.
 
Aridas said:
I'm rather tempted to answer this with an oversimplified answer. In both cases, he's siding against a terrorist state. Whatever legitimate grievances the Palestinians have, and they do have many, Hamas is quite in the wrong for the the outright terrorism that they've chosen to employ and celebrate, over and over, including against Palestinians and those who were seeking to aid them.
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How would Israel not qualify as a terrorist state? I'm sure Russia makes similar BS pretexts for why their bombing of non-military targets is somehow justified, just as Israel claims that they have little choice but to level apartment blocks, refugee camps, or mosques. Israel's bombing of Gaza is an obvious example of state terrorism.
 
There are general threads to discuss the current situation. This is a thread about the Biden administration, unless you are commenting directly on that you need to take your discussion to another thread.
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TurkeysGhost said:
How would Israel not qualify as a terrorist state? I'm sure Russia makes similar BS pretexts for why their bombing of non-military targets is somehow justified, just as Israel claims that they have little choice but to level apartment blocks, refugee camps, or mosques. Israel's bombing of Gaza is an obvious example of state terrorism.
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Answer made in the general thread for Israel/Palestine.
 
On a much more relevant topic for this thread -

Fox News blames Biden for diplomatic crisis caused by Ted Cruz and Rand Paul

In fact, Biden has nominated ambassador candidates for Israel, Egypt, Oman, and Kuwait. He has also named candidates for the State Department’s Coordinator for Counterterrorism and the assistant administrator for the Middle East at the U.S. Agency for International Development. Some of these nominations date back to July 2021, and have been held in limbo all these months thanks to Republican Sens. Ted Cruz of Texas, J.D. Vance of Ohio, and Rand Paul of Kentucky. All three have each placed sweeping and overlapping holds on State Department nominees.
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That's on top of the Tuberville sabotage of our military, of course, that's messing with things further.
 
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I'll post this here and in the General Israel/Palestine thread:

Josh Paul, Director of Congressional and Public Affairs at the State Department, working there for 11 years, has resigned over the Administration's decision to send weapons to Israel.
His Statement is pretty much in line with my thoughts on the subject.

I think everyone should read what an expert on the situation has to say.

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/josh...esignation-activity-7120512510645952512-APhR/
 
The Great Zaganza said:
I'll post this here and in the General Israel/Palestine thread:

Josh Paul, Director of Congressional and Public Affairs at the State Department, working there for 11 years, has resigned over the Administration's decision to send weapons to Israel.
His Statement is pretty much in line with my thoughts on the subject.

I think everyone should read what an expert on the situation has to say.

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/josh...esignation-activity-7120512510645952512-APhR/
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IMHO he will not be missed.
 
In good news -

The FBI’s annual report on the nation’s crime statistics showed a 6% decline in homicides in 2022. The drop exceeded what most crime experts expected, said Jeff Asher, a crime data analyst and consultant whose AH Datalytics’ site is a widely cited source of information.

The FBI data, which the bureau compiled from reports filed by 18,888 local police departments, lags nearly a year behind reality. Asher, who puts together data from departments that cover a large majority of the nation’s population, says that so far this year, homicides nationwide have declined 11% to 12%.

Cities tend to report first and have larger drops than more-rural areas, Asher noted, so he’s projecting the final, nationwide 2023 numbers will show a smaller drop — somewhere between 7% and 10%.

“A 10% decline would be the largest ever recorded,” he said.

The decline goes beyond homicides: Violent crime overall ticked down in 2022 across the country, the FBI numbers showed, returning the U.S. pretty much to the level of 2019, before the COVID-19-era increase.
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I keep hearing about various polls. I get that people do not actually look up any data to decide who is going to have a better economy. It seems to be just "Biden caused inflation" and "Biden caused gas prices." And then there is the trend that "he had his chance, let's have a new guy" thinking. This is where the problem comes in. Trump also had his chance already. How can he be the new guy to solve problems anymore?
 
Not only has that 9-point polling advantage for Trump not been replicated, but it's gone the opposite way. Trump had been ahead by a point or two for a while but is now down to 7 points under.

The only thing that changed to cause it was Kennedy admitting he's a Republican. But the poll does seem to consider only those 3 candidates, not also West.
 
I am always happy to see polls in favor of Trump being on the news.

The only reason Trump won was because everyone proclaimed that HRC would win no matter what.
 
While Biden ahead in polls is a good thing, these are polls of the popular vote. Correct?

I've seen other polls that have Trump carrying what have been traditionally swing states by a fair margin - and its the Electoral College vote out that matters.
 
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