Cont: The Biden Presidency (3)

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Stacyhs said:
And there it is again. No matter what Biden does, it's never good enough and must be criticized.
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What can you say, sometimes good enough isn't good enough and sometimes half a solution doesn't get you half a result.

We live in dire times, and this weak-kneed stuff just isn't good enough.
 
TurkeysGhost said:
What can you say, sometimes good enough isn't good enough and sometimes half a solution doesn't get you half a result.

We live in dire times, and this weak-kneed stuff just isn't good enough.
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We'd need a communist style eco-terrorist takeover in the USA. And then we'd have to go to war with several other countries to force them to do enough... but its Biden's fault?
 
lobosrul5 said:
If we had elected Bernie in 2020, it'd be 3C cooler, and we'd be 100% on solar power by now.... unnecessary /s (I hope)
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Maybe we could have somehow found a way to harness the collective pearl-clutching of outraged centrists, there's certainly enough potential there to power the entire country. You could probably still power a medium sized city off the remaining HRC dead-enders who are still raging about 2016.
 
lobosrul5 said:
We'd need a communist style eco-terrorist takeover in the USA. And then we'd have to go to war with several other countries to force them to do enough... but its Biden's fault?
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It's hard to imagine it, but there was a time in this country before all our critical infrastructure was privatized, and it wasn't even that long ago.

The notion that the government can do big projects and directly confront huge problems is not communism.
 
TurkeysGhost said:
Maybe we could have somehow found a way to harness the collective pearl-clutching of outraged centrists, there's certainly enough potential there to power the entire country. You could probably still power a medium sized city off the remaining HRC dead-enders who are still raging about 2016.
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"Maybe"......."If only"....."Possibly".... "Could"

You have no idea what would have happened if Bernie had been elected President.

I like Bernie. But even if Bernie was nominated in 2016 or 2020, there's no guarantee he would have been elected. And there is certainly no guarantee he could have pushed his ideas through Congress. You dance with the girl you have. Not the one you don't.

Frankly, Joe Biden is too much a centrist for my taste. But he's impressed the hell out of me with what he has accomplished. Far better President than I expected. I'll take what we got as opposed to wallowing in the guy we don't.
 
TurkeysGhost said:
It's hard to imagine it, but there was a time in this country before all our critical infrastructure was privatized, and it wasn't even that long ago.

The notion that the government can do big projects and directly confront huge problems is not communism.
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Even if we had started in 2021 when Biden was elected it would've been the most mammoth project in history. Not only that but building it out would take too long. The American people would've had to magically accept (lol) or be forced to accept serious cutbacks to their standard of living.

We're talking forcing people at gunpoint to stop driving their trucks and ride a bike to work. Not running AC in the summer, not using natural gas in the winter (we maybe just enough to keep the pipes from freezing). All during COVID btw.

AND THEN have you seen the charts on per capita C02 usage. We'd need to go to war with India, Latin America, Africa, the developing parts of Asia and force THEM to cut way back. And we'd need to make the EU/UK etc to accept that they can no longer import goods from those places they rely on.

Communist? OK wrong word. More like totalitarianism.
 
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acbytesla said:
"Maybe"......."If only"....."Possibly".... "Could"

You have no idea what would have happened if Bernie had been elected President.

I like Bernie. But even if Bernie was nominated in 2016 or 2020, there's no guarantee he would have been elected. And there is certainly no guarantee he could have pushed his ideas through Congress. You dance with the girl you have. Not the one you don't.

Frankly, Joe Biden is too much a centrist for my taste. But he's impressed the hell out of me with what he has accomplished. Far better President than I expected. I'll take what we got as opposed to wallowing in the guy we don't.
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Us evil Centrist hold the balance of power in national elections.
Not that the hard line ideologues will ever admit that.
And, frankly, Trump would have probably won the popular vote if he had been running against Bernie. Bernie is simply too far to the left to win a general election. There is no vast lost tribe of left wing voters out there.
 
dudalb said:
Us evil Centrist hold the balance of power in national elections.
Not that the hard line ideologues will ever admit that.
And, frankly, Trump would have probably won the popular vote if he had been running against Bernie. Bernie is simply too far to the left to win a general election. There is no vast lost tribe of left wing voters out there.
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Bernie would be middle of the road in Europe. The US has gone so far right that the center has become left. That said, Bernie may have been a tough sell.

As a Democrat I've long been annoyed by the liberal left. Not necessarily their positions on many issues, but their lack of pragmatism and unwillingness to compromise. Far too often, they will stand on principles and we end up electing some far right Republican who drives the country into a ditch.
 
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TurkeysGhost said:
What can you say, sometimes good enough isn't good enough and sometimes half a solution doesn't get you half a result.

We live in dire times, and this weak-kneed stuff just isn't good enough.
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And sometimes people just want to moan and bitch. Sour grapes is their favorite meal.
 
acbytesla said:
"Maybe"......."If only"....."Possibly".... "Could"

You have no idea what would have happened if Bernie had been elected President.

I like Bernie. But even if Bernie was nominated in 2016 or 2020, there's no guarantee he would have been elected. And there is certainly no guarantee he could have pushed his ideas through Congress. You dance with the girl you have. Not the one you don't.

Frankly, Joe Biden is too much a centrist for my taste. But he's impressed the hell out of me with what he has accomplished. Far better President than I expected. I'll take what we got as opposed to wallowing in the guy we don't.
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Well said.
 
TurkeysGhost said:
Maybe we could have somehow found a way to harness the collective pearl-clutching of outraged centrists, there's certainly enough potential there to power the entire country. You could probably still power a medium sized city off the remaining HRC dead-enders who are still raging about 2016.
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Pearl clutching by centrists? I'd say the progressive pearl-clutching has reached Tiffany level.
 
acbytesla said:
Bernie would be middle of the road in Europe. The US has gone so far right that the center has become left. That said, Bernie may have been a tough sell.

As a Democrat I've long been annoyed by the liberal left. Not necessarily their positions on many issues, but their lack of pragmatism and unwillingness to compromise. Far too often, they will stand on principles and we end up electing some far right Republican who drives the country into a hole.
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Some progressives think that dying on the sword of ideology is better than surviving on compromise. Their black and white thinking is pure "I want it ALL my way!"
 
acbytesla said:
Bernie would be middle of the road in Europe. The US has gone so far right that the center has become left. That said, Bernie may have been a tough sell.

As a Democrat I've long been annoyed by the liberal left. Not necessarily their positions on many issues, but their lack of pragmatism and unwillingness to compromise. Far too often, they will stand on principles and we end up electing some far right Republican who drives the country into a ditch.
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No he wouldn't, not all of Europe. There's no way he'd be in the French RE party or Lib Dems in the UK.

Would I vote for Bernie over Trump or DeSantis? Yes of course, without hesitation.
 
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Aridas said:
I feel like putting this here, after that last attempt to pretend victimhood over Hunter Biden's laptop.

Hunter Biden’s ‘laptop’ looks more and more like a politically motivated criminal scheme

The story is based on EmptyWheel's round up of a bunch of stuff. A pretty short summation, though, can be -
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And... a follow-up on this.

Lev Parnas tells James Comer that FSB and Russian Secret Police copied Hunter's Laptop

It's Lev Parnas, so take it with a grain of salt or few. Even so -

Lev Parnas states here in a letter to James Comer that he and Giuliani were told a story by a Burisma businessman named Vitoli Prusch[sp?] who claimed that during a meeting between Hunter Biden and the Khazaksan minister of foreign affairs, he became extremely intoxicated [ed. with alcohol and drugs] and incapacitated. While he was out Russian FSB agents, Russian Secret Police and [Burisma CEO] Zlochevsky's team copied the contents of his Laptop which was then compromised and manipulated by Russian Intelligence.


Giuliani was told that the laptop had embarrassing photos, but there was no evidence of financial crimes on it. Parnas states that It was only later that the idea of "finding" proof of financial crimes was introduced. He doesn’t give the exact date that the copying took place although it seems to be early in 2019. This is on top of the fact that the GRU hacked Burima’s email accounts.
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acbytesla said:
Frankly, Joe Biden is too much a centrist for my taste. But he's impressed the hell out of me with what he has accomplished. Far better President than I expected. I'll take what we got as opposed to wallowing in the guy we don't.
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I tend to agree actually. He's been considerably more canny than other centrists within the party and has been throwing more than few bones to the populist sentiment that obviously exists in this country, including within the Democratic party, as opposed to digging his heels in like some other centrists. He's certainly not like the HRC dead-enders who seem to take every rebuke from the progressive wing as an excuse to double down on their center-right attitudes.

Up until he screwed over the rail workers union he'd probably had been the most pro-union president in living memory, and even with that black mark on the record his administration is a significant departure from the liberal anti-union status quo.

The removal of Ron Klain as Chief of Staff to be replaced by Jeff Zients is not a great sign that Biden's more progressive approach to governing will continue.

https://newrepublic.com/article/170478/progressives-ron-klain-line-white-house-jeff-zients
 
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acbytesla said:
Bernie would be middle of the road in Europe. The US has gone so far right that the center has become left. That said, Bernie may have been a tough sell.

As a Democrat I've long been annoyed by the liberal left. Not necessarily their positions on many issues, but their lack of pragmatism and unwillingness to compromise. Far too often, they will stand on principles and we end up electing some far right Republican who drives the country into a ditch.
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The right has gone so far right that non-insane rightwingers are considered far-left.
 
TurkeysGhost said:
He's been considerably more canny than other centrists within the party and has been throwing more than few bones to the populist sentiment that obviously exists in this country, including within the Democratic party, as opposed to digging his heels in like some other centrists...

Up until he screwed over the rail workers union he'd probably had been the most pro-union president in living memory...

The removal of Ron Klain as Chief of Staff to be replaced by Jeff Zients is not a great sign that Biden's more progressive approach to governing will continue.
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He does seem to have been less conservative so far than his prior track record or his occasional hostility to progressives would have indicated ahead of time, and less conservative than other Presidents at least since 1980. But that's really just another way of saying the only other two Democrats in that time were more conservative. He's the tallest kid in kindergarten at a school for dwarves.
 
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