Cont: The Biden Presidency (3)

[Beelzebuddy]

How else can you explant their constant attacks on Biden on often trivial issues?

I support Biden but at times he does seem to be slow when it comes to foreign affairs.
His "Thoughts and Prayers" approach of the huge mess in Israel is not going to cut it. He has some decisions to make as to whether it is time to show Israel some "tough love"as far US support goes.

I find it amusing that Berniebros make such a big deal out of Biden;s age, forgetting how old Bernie is.

God last thing we need is for the Dems to Copy the RINO crap we see in the GOP, and try to drive anybody who is not indelogical fit out of the party.

I feel like there's two of you arguing at cross-purposes with yourself. Maybe leave some sticky notes for each other?

 

[Delvo]

If Democrats are to get the credit for trying to do the right thing, they also get the blame for sending it off to die in committee.

It's easy to figure they didn't really have control of the Senate, with the Manchin-Sinematic Universe functioning as Republicans on everything other than judicial appointments (plus whoever else might have taken their places if they weren't there). And that's a tough spot to be in, because, in some ways, the correct strategy would have been to dissociate themselves from Manchinema, but, if you annoy them, they might just go full Republican and kill the only area in which any progress was being made at all. Still, on things the party really actually does want, they could at least put in some effort to try to find some leverage to use on the outliers... and they do... against progressives, not corporatists... which demonstrates what the party really wants.

Also, at least being seen trying makes a better impression than just rolling over in the face of opposition, and that one example of seeming to try on one thing does not establish a pattern of serious effort or motivation if you keep backing down & rolling over on everything else.

But funny thing though - reading the wiki, the bill was actually introduced in the Senate not by a Democrat, but Bernie Sanders.

I thought he had actually changed his party registration from I to D in the last few years. Maybe not.

Seems you don't find his doomed causes so objectionable when you can take credit for them after the fact, yes?

That's always been the schtick of the corporatists and their supporters: knowing that progressiveness is what the people really want and put you there for, occasionally feign progressiveness as long as it won't really matter, to try to trick people into sticking with you while you go against it whenever it actually makes a difference... then scold the targets of that con for not being reliable enough at serving you.

Oh he puts up a show by being there when it counts, but he's not a party loyalist like Joe Manchin.

Manchin is loyal to what those in control of the party want, just not to what they sometimes pretend to want.

I honest to God think somes "Progressives" here want Trump in win in 2024 on the 'Quicker we have fascism the quicker we will have the Revolution" theory.

We're still waiting for those quotes of any progressives here acting as foul, or even just a fraction as foul, as you just did again and keep doing routinely.

 

[acbytesla]

I support Biden but at times he does seem to be slow when it comes to foreign affairs.
His "Thoughts and Prayers" approach of the huge mess in Israel is not going to cut it. He has some decisions to make as to whether it is time to show Israel some "tough love"as far US support goes. I think it is and the longer he avoids making the decisions the toughter it will be.
If Israel erupts into Civil war, a real possility, it could cause the whole region to blow.

I don’t know what to do about Israel. It's been a mess since WW2. I think the biggest foreign policy mistake in the last 70 years was setting aside the Jewish state of Israel. No President has really done a good job of managing the Israeli problem. We're either too involved or not enough.

 

[Beelzebuddy]

I blame those 8, too...but I do NOT paint every centrist/moderate as a damn right-winger like you and others here do.
Well, there's your problem: You confuse defending them with providing more information on their positions. Not the same thing.

Exactly where have I said their actions shouldn't reflect on the Democratic Party?
What I've said is that you should stop blaming the entire Democratic Party and painting all moderates as right wing. I don't show up to 'defend them' just because I don't subscribe to your 'all moderates are just right-wingers pretending to be moderates" nonsense. This is just another example of your black and white thinking.

And YOU don't get to decide that moderates are really right-wingers and that all Democrats should be as far left as YOU think they should be.

Yeah but that's the thing: I don't actually have to do anything in that regard. The Democratic party has triangulated so hard on the center that its end is patently slopping over into the right wing.* Even you don't want them, at least on an issue like this. You can get upset and make all the excuses you want when people point that out to you, but you should understand that lots of people do still notice it when you're not around to "correct" them.

*[ETA] And I should note, at the other end is an old man who just wants people to have health care. Wooo scary.

 

[Orphia Nay]

WASHINGTON (AP) — House Speaker Kevin McCarthy says Republican lawmakers may consider an impeachment inquiry of President Joe Biden over unproven claims of financial misconduct, responding to enormous GOP pressure to demonstrate support for Donald Trump ahead of the 2024 presidential election.

In remarks Tuesday at the Capitol, McCarthy said the questions House Republicans are raising about the Biden family finances need to be investigated. So far, he acknowledged, the House’s probes have not proven any wrongdoing, but an impeachment inquiry “allows Congress to get the information to be able to know the truth.”

An impeachment inquiry by the House would be a first step toward bringing articles of impeachment. Such a probe could be as lengthy or swift as the House determines, potentially stretching into campaign season.

“We will follow this to the end,” he said, first floating the idea late Monday on Fox News.

https://apnews.com/article/78e4c7efeb030b29e1576f868257179b

 

[Stacyhs]

https://apnews.com/article/78e4c7efeb030b29e1576f868257179b

They are desperate to distract from all the Trump indictments.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

https://apnews.com/article/78e4c7efeb030b29e1576f868257179b

Licking that Trump butt as far as his tongue will go.

Sorry for the horrid mental image but I've been annoyed since hearing that self-centered jerk McCarthy falsely claim today that he thinks they have enough on the Biden crime family to impeach Biden.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

They are desperate to distract from all the Trump indictments.

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/7166964c07e74e1983.png[/qimg]

Of course, among other things like trying to paint the image Trump is being railroaded.

On second thought I guess it's not much different.

 

[sarge]

This thread is about the Biden Presidency. Discussions about politics in general and specific Senators is off-topic.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: sarge

 

[Stacyhs]

The key economic indicators have defied expectations today as the GDP for Q2 was up 2.4% while 1.8% was expected, jobless claims continue to fall, and the stock market appears set to surpass the previous gain streak since 1897. No one is predicting a recession anymore.

Gas prices are up to an 8 month high due to Russia and S. Arabia reducing gas output but also to refineries cutting back due to the high temperatures. Both of which I'm sure Biden is responsible for.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

The key economic indicators have defied expectations today as the GDP for Q2 was up 2.4% while 1.8% was expected, jobless claims continue to fall, and the stock market appears set to surpass the previous gain streak since 1897. No one is predicting a recession anymore.

Gas prices are up to an 8 month high due to Russia and S. Arabia reducing gas output but also to refineries cutting back due to the high temperatures. Both of which I'm sure Biden is responsible for.

I agree high gas prices are largely an external issue, but does Biden have any plans to initiate a long term strategy to get the US off the fossil fuel teat?

I'm always a bit surprised that for how intensely racist and xenophobic the US is, especially against the Middle East, there's never much interest in getting off oil and enriching these oil-rich nations. Getting off fossil fuels would be a win win, for climate reasons and for stop-giving-money-to-despots reasons.

With this whole Russian invasion and Russia using their natural gas supplies as a bargaining chip (mostly directed at Europe, but still), you'd think now would be as good as time as any to initiate a huge green energy program.

 

[lobosrul5]

I agree high gas prices are largely an external issue, but does Biden have any plans to initiate a long term strategy to get the US off the fossil fuel teat?

I'm always a bit surprised that for how intensely racist and xenophobic the US is, especially against the Middle East, there's never much interest in getting off oil and enriching these oil-rich nations. Getting off fossil fuels would be a win win, for climate reasons and for stop-giving-money-to-despots reasons.

With this whole Russian invasion and Russia using their natural gas supplies as a bargaining chip (mostly directed at Europe, but still), you'd think now would be as good as time as any to initiate a huge green energy program.

You make it sound like Biden can just fix stuff unilaterally. He has to get a bill by a Senate that is 50% controlled by the other party, and a couple of them in his own party are quite pro fossil fuel. And if they can't figure out a trick it has to get past a filibuster (so 60 votes) or they can do the "nuclear option".

Oh and then the other part of Congress is actually controlled by the GoP.

If he does anything by executive direction a certain 6 justices will just undo it.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

You make it sound like Biden can just fix stuff unilaterally. He has to get a bill by a Senate that is 50% controlled by the other party, and a couple of them in his own party are quite pro fossil fuel. And if they can't figure out a trick it has to get past a filibuster (so 60 votes) or they can do the "nuclear option".

Oh and then the other part of Congress is actually controlled by the GoP.

If he does anything by executive direction a certain 6 justices will just undo it.

Is there a serious plan to decarbonize and get onto nuclear power (for example) in Biden's wishlist anywhere? Even if it's not politically viable at the moment, you might expect to see a policy proposal or something bouncing around. Is it a plank of the DNC party platform?

 

[acbytesla]

I agree high gas prices are largely an external issue, but does Biden have any plans to initiate a long term strategy to get the US off the fossil fuel teat?

I'm always a bit surprised that for how intensely racist and xenophobic the US is, especially against the Middle East, there's never much interest in getting off oil and enriching these oil-rich nations. Getting off fossil fuels would be a win win, for climate reasons and for stop-giving-money-to-despots reasons.

With this whole Russian invasion and Russia using their natural gas supplies as a bargaining chip (mostly directed at Europe, but still), you'd think now would be as good as time as any to initiate a huge green energy program.

Of course he does. Part of Biden's plans involve more R&D. More solar. More Wind, and nuclear power. Rebuilding the energy grid. The fossil fuel industry and the GOP is fighting every step of the way.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

The Democratic party seems to be entirely captured by 90's nostalgia, which makes sense considering the leadership is entirely ossified and it's literally the same people in charge now that were running things back then.

But yeah, there's a general dissatisfaction with the status quo and the general establishment, and the DNC is just throwing the whole game by refusing to cater to that sentiment.

Really depressing that the fascist right is solely capitalizing on acknowledging this sentiment and promising improvement (which we know won't actually be delivered).

That's the problem, they don't plan to do anything and they resent the implication that they should.

[Both quotes copied from the Trump thread where it was sliding down the slope.]

Who doesn't plan to do anything? The Democrats?

Seems to me the people stuck in the 90s are those who aren't paying attention to what Biden and the Democrats are saying and doing today.

Biden talks frequently about all the investments in infrastructure in the last 2 years and what is still needed/planned.

Sorry this was in the Trump thread, it needed to be in the Biden thread.

 

[lobosrul5]

Is there a serious plan to decarbonize and get onto nuclear power (for example) in Biden's wishlist anywhere? Even if it's not politically viable at the moment, you might expect to see a policy proposal or something bouncing around. Is it a plank of the DNC party platform?

Within five years, we will install 500 million solar panels, including eight million solar roofs and community solar energy systems, and 60,000 wind turbines, and turn American ingenuity into American jobs by leveraging federal policy to manufacture renewable energy solutions in America

etc ec theres much more. Good luck turning that into reality.

https://democrats.org/where-we-stan...te-crisis-and-pursuing-environmental-justice/

ETA: and any plans for new NPP and he'll have to fight with the leftwing of the party.

ETA2: actually some of that might be reality. But its going to mainly be due to state level initiatives.

 

[Stacyhs]

I agree high gas prices are largely an external issue, but does Biden have any plans to initiate a long term strategy to get the US off the fossil fuel teat? I'm always a bit surprised that for how intensely racist and xenophobic the US is, especially against the Middle East, there's never much interest in getting off oil and enriching these oil-rich nations. Getting off fossil fuels would be a win win, for climate reasons and for stop-giving-money-to-despots reasons.

With this whole Russian invasion and Russia using their natural gas supplies as a bargaining chip, you'd think now would be as good as time as any to initiate a huge green energy program.

Yes. The Green Energy Plan.

Highlights Of Joe Biden’s Energy Plan

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Yes. The Green Energy Plan.

Highlights Of Joe Biden’s Energy Plan

The day late and dollar short plans you'd expect from do-nothing dems.

I think we missed the boat on gently nudging the market towards doing the right thing. We're in a climate emergency, anything short of a command economy building nuke plants on mass scale or something similarly grand in vision is indistinguishable from inaction.

 

[Stacyhs]

[Both quotes copied from the Trump thread where it was sliding down the slope.]

Who doesn't plan to do anything? The Democrats?

Seems to me the people stuck in the 90s are those who aren't paying attention to what Biden and the Democrats are saying and doing today.

Biden talks frequently about all the investments in infrastructure in the last 2 years and what is still needed/planned.

Sorry this was in the Trump thread, it needed to be in the Biden thread.

I think some people don't want to see what Biden and the Dems are doing because it doesn't support their bias.

 

[Stacyhs]

The day late and dollar short plans you'd expect from do-nothing dems.

I think we missed the boat on gently nudging the market towards doing the right thing. We're in a climate emergency, anything short of a command economy building nuke plants on mass scale or something similarly grand in vision is indistinguishable from inaction.

And there it is again. No matter what Biden does, it's never good enough and must be criticized.

Headline: Biden cures cancer!

Reaction: Why did it take so long?