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So, with fuel prices going back down, did Biden call off the "war" on fossil fuel? Did he surrender? Did the fuels cleverly outmaneuver him?

Surely that "war" couldn't have been just another Republican lie! There were regulations, and we all know regulations are war!

Fuel prices have declined from their recent all time high as a result of Biden begging people that don't like the US to increase production. President Biden has also been releasing an extra 1 million barrels of oil per day from the US Strategic Reserves. That's oil that is used during emergencies and in reality should only be drawn from during a time of war or in this case a severe economic disaster.

Biden's war on oil is no lie. I proved it just a few posts up.
 
Sure Bob! Just have a look here:

"Standards of Performance for New, Reconstructed, and Modified Sources and Emissions Guidelines for Existing Sources: Oil and Natural Gas Sector Climate Review"

https://www.federalregister.gov/doc...modified-sources-and-emissions-guidelines-for

Feel free to review the 2021 guidelines and standards set for oil and gas production in the US. There are many. While you do keep in mind these were 2021 and more are proposed and have been enacted for 2022.
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What you're citing is a proposal made in Dec. 2021, subject to hearings and revision. Even if the rules were subsequently enacted, it would take months, maybe years, to take effect.

I ask again, how much has U.S. oil production actually dropped during the Biden administration vs. the last year Trump's? Here's someone who says daily oil production under Biden is roughly the same as under Trump. What has changed as the economy resumes post-pandemic is demand, and that's something Biden has little influence over.
There are many factors at play in the steady climb in gas prices since Biden took office, including increased demand after pandemic lockdowns ended, inflation and, now, the war in Ukraine. But lower oil production in the U.S. isn’t one of them. America produced 11.185 million barrels of crude oil per day in 2021, compared with 11.283 million a year earlier under Trump. The amount produced in Biden’s first year exceeds the average daily amount produced under Trump from 2016 to 2018, according to data from the U.S. Energy Information Administration.
https://www.poynter.org/fact-checki...on-in-bidens-first-year-is-on-par-with-trump/

And the oil companies are making wild profits:
President Biden was inaugurated on Wednesday, January 20, 2021. The closing price of the XOP on President Biden’s first day in office was $68.64. As I write this after the close on June 16, 2022 — even after a huge sell-off — the XOP closed at $139.68. That is a gain of 103% in the XOP in the ~1.5 years that President Biden has been in office. This implies that the market value of the U.S. oil industry has approximately doubled under Biden, following a sharp decline under Trump.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapie...-fared-under-president-biden/?sh=291dd2038908

Maybe the market is influenced by factors more immediate than support for clean air.
 
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The US economy is a disaster. There has been no recovery and much talk of recession. (With current inflation it's somewhat magical how we're not already there, perhaps we are not being told things by the Media that would tend to look bad for the Biden Admin?)

This gives away the nature and bias of your sources quite clearly. The US economy is not currently a disaster, nor anywhere close. Inflation IS certainly a problem, but inflation isn't even remotely the only metric that should be looked at. Cherry-picking only the problems (or the positives, of course) will give a wildly distorted look.

Just a guess of course but it would seem the Media is forgiving beyond belief to the Biden Admin.

:rolleyes: And up is down, eh? Again, you betray the nature of your sources and bias. That's a bit of a tangent from this topic here, though, so I'll refrain from pursuing it in this post.

Please don't misunderstand my fairness statement above about other contributing factors to the price of oil rising. I focus on real issues and policies that have affected energy production under Biden. I allow only that Russia was a contributing factor that further increased the price of oil. However the price of oil was increasing at a steady rate under Biden anyway (as expected) due to his actions I outlined above. That's the main difference between reality and the Spinner's take.

There is also a noticeable difference between my definition of the price of oil rising and your definition it would seem, mainly the timing. I use the average price of oil during Trump's Presidency prior to the pandemic shutdown when oil crashed to nothing. You seem to be using the point at which the price of oil crashed to nothing and measuring the continued rise from that point attributing an increase to the previous Administration because it rose from effectively "0.00" at the worst point of the pandemic crash. That's a bit too spinny for my taste. I prefer cold hard facts, documented evidence and reality without the spin. You know, like the post with the Executive Orders, names, dates, Government agency policies that were changed, how they changed, how that affects energy and production in the US etc.

For all this squirming, you still quite seem to be trying to pointedly ignore/refuse to acknowledge the many-faceted effects of covid in play. For example, many, many oil companies went outright bankrupt because of COVID-related disruptions in demand. That has a bunch of consequences, both directly for the oil companies and across the oil industry as a whole. Plenty more could be said, yet you want to try to treat the playing field as if the effects related to covid disruption can just be attributed to Biden policy? Sorry, no free pass here. You also seem to be intent on projecting unreasonability. You allow only that Russia's actions were a contributing factor that increased it further? Again, DUH! Prices were rising anyways? Again, DUH! Biden's policy may also have contributed to some extent? Entirely reasonable, but how much, specifically, is not clear. Given the actually reasonable points and arguments among those that you've presented, the effects of the Biden policy that you've highlighted would seem to likely be a very small fraction of the total rise that is currently observed, though. Going beyond that, your arguments related to Keystone XL have already given an example of how extremely unreasonable you're willing to be when it comes to your attempts to prop up your preferred narrative, regardless of reality. Certainly, there are very real issues with how oversimplified things are often presented in media and conversation, but it's ever good to keep in mind the fallacy fallacy, rather than using such simply to feed your bias.
 
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Biden's war on oil is no lie. I proved it just a few posts up.
You found some regulations. You have yet to establish that regulations equal war. (...especially in context of the lack of any such claims of "war" on any other regulated industry)
 
You found some regulations. You have yet to establish that regulations equal war. (...especially in context of the lack of any such claims of "war" on any other regulated industry)

It's also a "war" that has resulted in oil company stocks more than doubling in value. A lot of CEOs are probably saying "Me next! Me! Me!."
 
What you're citing is a proposal made in Dec. 2021, subject to hearings and revision. Even if the rules were subsequently enacted, it would take months, maybe years, to take effect.
Well Bob, in the link provided on the new proposed rules you'll see a date on the right hand side that lists that comments close 01/14/2022.

And yet just above that they suggest you have your comment in by or before December 15, 2021:

"Comments must be received on or before January 14, 2022. Under the Paperwork Reduction Act (PRA), comments on the information collection provisions are best assured of consideration if the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) receives a copy of your comments on or before December 15, 2021."

OK, on to the hearing dates:

"The public hearing will be held via virtual platform on November 30, 2021, and December 1, 2021, and will convene at 11:00 a.m. Eastern Time (ET) and conclude at 9:00 p.m. ET each day."

Timeline: New proposed rules 11/15/2021
Comments to be received by 01/14/2022
To be considered they must be in by 12/15/2021
Online hearings to be held 11/30/2021 and 12/02/2021

After all comments have been considered, the hearings have been held, the new EPA rules went into effect immediately.

That used to be how it was done until very recently. Now due to a new Supreme Court ruling, any regulations that may directly affect the US economy must pass thru Congress. If you wish to review the case it's West Virginia V. EPA. The details are directly related to Biden's Executive Orders and revocation of the Trump era EO's that limited the regulatory power of the EPA.
SC ruling here:

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/20-1530_n758.pdf


I ask again, how much has U.S. oil production actually dropped during the Biden administration vs. the last year Trump's? Here's someone who says daily oil production under Biden is roughly the same as under Trump. What has changed as the economy resumes post-pandemic is demand, and that's something Biden has little influence over.

https://www.poynter.org/fact-checki...on-in-bidens-first-year-is-on-par-with-trump/

Ah, now for this part you've made a mistake. You've trusted a "Fact Check" organization to actually tell you facts without any spin. Unfortunately this is yet another Left leaning media product that presents only the facts they can spin into Biden's favor.

Let's look at the fact check article's title with a little more detail and a lot less spin:

"Gas prices aren’t high due to shut down US production. Oil production in Biden’s first year is on par with Trump."

That sounds great! Let's review US oil production over the past 5 years. That'll be interesting!

2017: 3,415,257,000 Barrels of Crude Oil.
2018: 3,993,288,000 Barrels of Crude Oil.
2019: 4,485,635,000 Barrels of Crude Oil.
2020: 4,129,563,000 Barrels of Crude Oil.
2021: 4,082,478,000 Barrels of Crude Oil.

Oh, so they mean current US oil production is on par with Trump's when compared to the 2020 numbers. Still 2021 is a bit lower than the 2020 numbers but let's review. First let me point out that gas and oil production increased dramatically under President Trump as a direct result of his Energy Policies that encouraged production of US natural resources. What happened in 2020 to limit production in the US that had nothing to do with Trump's energy policies? Anyone? That's right. The Pandemic. Oil crashed to $0.00 and in some cases was selling in distressed lots below $0.00 because storage was a max levels. They didn't have enough tanks for the excess and they were paying people to take the excess.

To compare Biden's first year's oil production to Trump's last year of oil production (2020) is dishonest and nothing more than political spin. The comparison should be made of the percentage of increased production overall and not limited to the year of the pandemic. Is the Biden Admin producing more or less than the previous Trump admin by average yearly gain? The answer is less.

Also you may want to keep in mind the site you linked to will never directly say that Biden has lied, even when their fact check proves he did lie about whatever issue. They simply list it as "Biden's spin". Highly dishonest and politically biased group that one.



And the oil companies are making wild profits:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapie...-fared-under-president-biden/?sh=291dd2038908

Maybe the market is influenced by factors more immediate than support for clean air.

The oil companies certainly are reaping record profits. This was expected. Surely everyone is familiar with the rule of supply and demand? Oil in short supply, price goes up. Oil in excess supply, price goes down. The cause of the short supply is directly linked to Biden's policies on the Environment. (Glad the Supreme Court recently figured that one out in West Virginia V. EPA)

Without a doubt the market has been influenced by other factors. I freely admit and accept the war in Ukraine is also a contributing factor to the current price of energy. But it is a small contributing factor (Johnny come lately) when compared with the production losses tied to EPA excess regulation which are a direct result of Biden's policies to limit greenhouse gases by effectively reducing oil and gas production in the US.

In closing, this reply has turned into a monster and I apologize for that but oil and gas production and the EPA with regards to the President's Energy policies are things I'm very passionate about. Biden has done much lately to try and decrease the price of gas and some of it is working. Though in my ever honest opinion, his actions have more to do with the voting booth than anything else. I agree with Biden's vision for a Green Energy transition in the US. Though the methods of implementation have been flawed. We're first going to have to get the cost of electric cars and solar panels down to where the average American doesn't have to choose between buying a home or buying a Tesla. Most can't have both at this point.
 
Ah, now for this part you've made a mistake. You've trusted a "Fact Check" organization to actually tell you facts without any spin. Unfortunately this is yet another Left leaning media product that presents only the facts they can spin into Biden's favor.
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What happened in 2020 to limit production in the US that had nothing to do with Trump's energy policies? Anyone? That's right. The Pandemic. Oil crashed to $0.00 and in some cases was selling in distressed lots below $0.00 because storage was a max levels. They didn't have enough tanks for the excess and they were paying people to take the excess.

To compare Biden's first year's oil production to Trump's last year of oil production (2020) is dishonest and nothing more than political spin. The comparison should be made of the percentage of increased production overall and not limited to the year of the pandemic. Is the Biden Admin producing more or less than the previous Trump admin by average yearly gain? The answer is less.

Also you may want to keep in mind the site you linked to will never directly say that Biden has lied, even when their fact check proves he did lie about whatever issue. They simply list it as "Biden's spin". Highly dishonest and politically biased group that one.
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You're giving away a lot when you claim that a source that doesn't support you must be left-leaning liars. You think the pandemic ended when Biden took office? It and its consequences are still going on now. And many of the oil producers who shut down in 2020 didn't miraculously revive this year. It's not like there's a giant spigot somewhere that somebody turns on and off.

And you still haven't said specifically what changes in EPA regulations are cutting oil production now. Most of those provisions just restore rules that Trump cancelled, but which certainly didn't inhibit oil production during the Obama administration.

And you also haven't said how much you think the rest of us should have to endure -- and pay for -- pollution and global warming so the oil companies can do whatever they want.
 
A detailed explanation of the forces behind inflation. In short, Biden didn't cause it and can't fix it.
These numbers that we see in America, in excess of 9 percent, it's the same thing in Britain and in France. I just came back from South Africa, same thing there. To the extent that it's all Joe Biden's fault, that'd make him pretty powerful if he can cause inflation to go up in pretty much every country.

Turkey, by the way, is in excess of 75 percent inflation. Countries in Europe that depend on Russia for exports have very high inflation. Countries in Africa which depend on Ukrainian wheat, very high. It's food inflation in cases like that. So it's not Biden's fault. It is not a particularly political matter. The issue is that it hurts everybody. Everybody feels it and everybody gets mad at the people in charge. It is a very hard problem to solve.
https://www.salon.com/2022/07/15/ali-velshi-on-the-coming-recession--and-why-joe-biden-cant-stop-it/
 
" You've trusted a "Fact Check" organization to actually tell you facts without any spin. Unfortunately this is yet another Left leaning media product that presents only the facts they can spin into Biden's favor."

I thought I'd check in here...which I rarely do... to see what was going on. After reading a few posts like the above, I remember why I seldom come here.
 
Getting back to Biden: so he tells the Saudi prince how important the murder of Khashoggi is. But by the way, can you pump out more oil? Didn't Biden already make this assertion to the prince? It's absurd.

I like Biden and hate to talk trash about him but this faux tough talk was hard to listen to.
 
To poke a little at something that... hopefully doesn't end up going further downhill -

National Rail Strike put on hold by President Biden - now 60 days plus 30 more to go...

To sum up the situation very shortly - Stockholder profit focused capitalism is driving rail into the ground and causing serious unhappiness for both employees and customers. A recent vote about willingness to go on strike if concerns aren't dealt with was at 99.5% in favor of going on strike when legally able. That's just... wow. Biden's delayed their legal ability to go on strike with a Presidential Emergency Board that's officially supposed to help investigate and make "suggestions" on how to improve the situation at hand. Had they actually gone on strike, a PEB would have fairly certainly followed in short order, of course, so doing it now means less confusion and disruption for the country's logistics. Still, we can certainly hope that Biden's PEB will actually help seriously improve the situation, much as no blind faith should enter the picture here.
 
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Let's just remember that Biden won by seven million votes.
A few dozen thousand in a few states.

One of the closest ever; closer than others that were famous for how close they'd been (but those just didn't have such propagandistic denialism afterward of how close they'd really been).

Against the most unpopular candidate in American history.

Who was just as good at or better at bringing people out to vote against himself as for himself.

Who was presiding over both a depression and a plague with a deliberately terrible response.

While seriously underperforming the projections of how big the win was supposed to be.

While doing worse in the polls whenever people saw & heard him and better when they didn't.

After having been on course to lose while it was just him versus his opponent, until a third party in the form of a virus interfered and just barely enabled him to rise just enough to scrape by.

After having used "ELECTABLE!" as the reason why he should be the candidate instead of the guy who had consistently been shown to beat the same opponent by substantially wider margins all along.

With the media pulling out all the stops to help him along (starting with all the begging & pleading him to run for them when he wasn't even in it yet at all).

With everybody even in his own party "supporting/defending" him by admitting they didn't really want him but he was just the only choice they'd been given.

While representing a turn in the party's general direction that sank the party overall and led a sweeping collection of losses throughout the country wherever the Republican opponent wasn't a rabid baboon.

Followed by doing worse in the polls than that same opponent, with the general pattern of the reasons for that being how much he acts like a member of the other party, the one he's supposed to be against.

Ya, that's our hero, alright.

(PS: My favorite example of the denialism about what a failure this last election was is the "he got the most votes EVER!" schtick. The population has always only grown, so "the most ever" is perfectly normal. It's essentially saying "he was in the most recent election EVER!". When that's the kind of desperate-sounding nonsense one has to reach for to pretend to make such a disappointment sound good, one is making it obvious that one knows it really wasn't good. It's like when people want to sound all positive & reassuring about someone's dating prospects but can't honestly come up with anything more positive than "Well of course you'll never find somebody who actually wants you, but I'm sure if you worked & worked & kept on trying & trying over & over again you could eventually find somebody who's willing to settle for you!")
 
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Ya, that's our hero, alright.
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I don't think Biden is anybody's hero. He wouldn't have been my first choice either. But the fact is that he was nominated after winning more convention delegates in the primaries than 20+ opponents, who individually were even less "heroes." It's not like somebody in a backroom pulled Biden's name out of a hat. And it's not like 2016, when the entire Democratic establishment tipped the scales in favor of one of the most unpopular and controversial faces in American politics. I continue to believe that Trump couldn't have beaten any other Democrat.

The deep flaws of our election process, particularly but not only the Electoral College, are a broader story.
 
A few dozen thousand in a few states.

One of the closest ever; closer than others that were famous for how close they'd been (but those just didn't have such propagandistic denialism afterward of how close they'd really been).

Against the most unpopular candidate in American history.

Who was just as good at or better at bringing people out to vote against himself as for himself.

Who was presiding over both a depression and a plague with a deliberately terrible response.

While seriously underperforming the projections of how big the win was supposed to be.

While doing worse in the polls whenever people saw & heard him and better when they didn't.

After having been on course to lose while it was just him versus his opponent, until a third party in the form of a virus interfered and just barely enabled him to rise just enough to scrape by.

After having used "ELECTABLE!" as the reason why he should be the candidate instead of the guy who had consistently been shown to beat the same opponent by substantially wider margins all along.

With the media pulling out all the stops to help him along (starting with all the begging & pleading him to run for them when he wasn't even in it yet at all).

With everybody even in his own party "supporting/defending" him by admitting they didn't really want him but he was just the only choice they'd been given.

While representing a turn in the party's general direction that sank the party overall and led a sweeping collection of losses throughout the country wherever the Republican opponent wasn't a rabid baboon.

Followed by doing worse in the polls than that same opponent, with the general pattern of the reasons for that being how much he acts like a member of the other party, the one he's supposed to be against.

Ya, that's our hero, alright.

(PS: My favorite example of the denialism about what a failure this last election was is the "he got the most votes EVER!" schtick. The population has always only grown, so "the most ever" is perfectly normal. It's essentially saying "he was in the most recent election EVER!". When that's the kind of desperate-sounding nonsense one has to reach for to pretend to make such a disappointment sound good, one is making it obvious that one knows it really wasn't good. It's like when people want to sound all positive & reassuring about someone's dating prospects but can't honestly come up with anything more positive than "Well of course you'll never find somebody who actually wants you, but I'm sure if you worked & worked & kept on trying & trying over & over again you could eventually find somebody who's willing to settle for you!")

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Annnd... he's positivie.

From: The Guardian
Joe Biden tested positive for Covid on Thursday...Biden was experiencing “mild symptoms” and has begun taking Paxlovid, an antiviral drug designed to reduce the severity of the disease. She said Biden “will isolate at the White House and will continue to carry out all of his duties fully during that time....Biden, 79, is fully vaccinated...

Prognosis probably is looking a lot better for Biden than when Stubby McBonespurs caught it. Hey, maybe Biden might end up benefitting from any positive press.... "He's tough enough to shrug off covid... unlike Trump who had to go to the hospitalwhen he got sick, and can't even walk down a ramp."
 
You're giving away a lot when you claim that a source that doesn't support you must be left-leaning liars. You think the pandemic ended when Biden took office? It and its consequences are still going on now. And many of the oil producers who shut down in 2020 didn't miraculously revive this year. It's not like there's a giant spigot somewhere that somebody turns on and off.

And you still haven't said specifically what changes in EPA regulations are cutting oil production now. Most of those provisions just restore rules that Trump cancelled, but which certainly didn't inhibit oil production during the Obama administration.

And you also haven't said how much you think the rest of us should have to endure -- and pay for -- pollution and global warming so the oil companies can do whatever they want.

I went to the actual US oil production numbers and investigated if what the "fact checker" you sourced claimed was political spin or indeed fact supported by the evidence. As we both know from the US oil production numbers, the "fact check" turned out to be selling political spin and just a wee bit dishonest. Of course the Facebook post it debunked was also dishonest. Biden never "shutdown" all US oil production.

I've pointed out many times that EPA regulations that limit the amount of methane gas at an oil production facility are responsible for lowered production in the US. If a well is outside the new limits, it is shut down until it can be brought into compliance. I've also pointed out that if the EPA can create new regulations at will without lifting any existing regulations.

Global warming, pollution, personal endurance and finance are outside the scope of my posts. I really don't think the air or water was any less pure under a Trump Admin that it was during Obama's. I don't think the Environment has gotten any better during the Biden Admin either. But, we're all certainly "paying" a price now regardless of whether we're willing or able to.
 
" You've trusted a "Fact Check" organization to actually tell you facts without any spin. Unfortunately this is yet another Left leaning media product that presents only the facts they can spin into Biden's favor."

I thought I'd check in here...which I rarely do... to see what was going on. After reading a few posts like the above, I remember why I seldom come here.

Truth is sometimes difficult to accept outside of a safe space.
 
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