Cont: The Biden Presidency (3)

[Stacyhs]

This thread has changed from being a tired thread about a tired old man to comedy gold.

I'm picking the Dumbocrats are continuing to sit on their thumbs instead of urgently finding a credible candidate for 2024, which by my reckoning, is next year.

Tic, tick, tick...

Do you think what Trump...not his aides, not his lawyers, but TRUMP personally did and is doing regarding the docs at Mar-a-Lago are equivalent to what we know about the documents found in Biden's garage and Penn Biden office? And if so, why?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

This thread has changed from being a tired thread about a tired old man to comedy gold.

I'm picking the Dumbocrats are continuing to sit on their thumbs instead of urgently finding a credible candidate for 2024, which by my reckoning, is next year.

Tic, tick, tick...

The other option is to do a better job marketing a positive image of Biden.

 

[Stacyhs]

BTW, except the Spec Council is bound to waste a million or two on this investigation, I don't care. It makes sense for Garland to do this to appear fair.

But again, why so fast here and so slow with Trump?

The other thing is will this delay any announcement of a Trump indictment? I hope not.

I don't understand your apparent belief that Garland's motive is to appear fair. I think he is being fair. He appointed US Attorney John Lausch to initially investigate the Biden situation. Lausch then advised Garland to appoint a special counsel to further investigate, which he has done.

Why do you think he was 'so slow' with Trump? In May 2021, the National Archives became aware of missing documents and the Archives was handling the situation. The DOJ had nothing to do with it until Jan. 2022 when the NA informed the House Committee on Oversight and Reform and the DOJ who then told the NA not to share any info with House Committee. The same month, the FBI then began its own investigation, sending subpoenas to both the NA and to Trump. We know how that went. The next month, they searched MaL after obtaining a warrant due to Trump's refusal to cooperate. Then they had to go through the whole court routine about the Special Master which wasn't concluded until Dec. 1. In the meantime, several court proceedings were taking place with a sealed hearing on Oct 27 between Trump lawyers and federal prosecutors. On Nov. 18, Garland appointed Jack Smith as Special Counsel.

Since Biden and his team are cooperating with the DOJ investigation instead of fighting them in court battles, perhaps it was much easier for Garland to appoint a Special Counsel.

 

[theprestige]

Biden seems to be doing a surprisingly credible job of supporting Ukraine, so there's that in his favor.

 

[Bob001]

This thread has changed from being a tired thread about a tired old man to comedy gold.

I'm picking the Dumbocrats are continuing to sit on their thumbs instead of urgently finding a credible candidate for 2024, which by my reckoning, is next year.
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Biden has accomplished a lot, and if inflation continues to decline while unemployment remains low he could be in a strong position in 2024. I, too, think he's too old for a second term. But he might still be the strongest candidate against Trump, who, let's face it, will be the Repub nominee if he wants to be. Could Harris beat Trump? Mayor Pete? State governors that most of the country doesn't even know? Why would they be better than Biden?

 

[varwoche]

Explaining that the documents were safely stored, the ******* dotard said they were in his locked garage with his Corvette, as if that's a good thing. What a ******* imbecile.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

The other option is to do a better job marketing a positive image of Biden.

Well Biden can Grandfather his documents to the Time he was the VP and lesser Penalties, before Trump increased the Penalties for Mishandling Classified Documents.

 

[johnny karate]

Pease explain again why this is so terrible.

You want me to explain why a glaring double stand is terrible?

 

[BobTheCoward]

You want me to explain why a glaring double stand is terrible?

It isn't a double standard

 

[johnny karate]

This *********** by team Biden is not so much about the legality.
But the looks!
Does anyone think investigations into both POTUS for basically the 'same' behaviour/action is going to lead into a conviction of just Trump, but not Biden?

No way!

I could really imagine that this would actually lead into civil war. So they won't risk that and as such, both will get a pass. So basically Biden saved Trump from this one.

Congrats!

As compelling a legal argument that "Trump won't get indicted because maybe civil war" is, I disagree with your assessment.

The situations are only superficially similar. Trump's behavior makes his situation worse and his legal jeopardy more significant. This isn't that hard to understand.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I don't understand your apparent belief that Garland's motive is to appear fair. I think he is being fair. He appointed US Attorney John Lausch to initially investigate the Biden situation. Lausch then advised Garland to appoint a special counsel to further investigate, which he has done.

According to one of the talking heads on MSNBC or NPR (my morning news fest is always blurred) the statute does not require a special counsel unless a crime is suspected first. No crime is suspected here.

Why do you think he was 'so slow' with Trump? ...

OMG you can't be serious! Maybe Garland was waiting for the House Committee to finish up but he could have been more aggressive re the Mar-a-Lago documents instead of letting Trump dicker around for more than a year. And it's been 2 years now since the insurrection. According to multiple sources a DoJ inquiry would be quite different from the Committee inquiry, so no reason to wait that I can see. It's like the DoJ is just now starting to investigate. Why is that? Could have appointed a special counsel a year ago.

Since Biden and his team are cooperating with the DOJ investigation instead of fighting them in court battles, perhaps it was much easier for Garland to appoint a Special Counsel.

How does lack of cooperation impact appointing a special counsel?

 

[johnny karate]

It isn't a double standard

What's not a double standard?

 

[johnny karate]

I am not saying they are the same at alll I am saying that the optics would be bad if you investigated one and not the other.
And yes, optics are important.
I am sure the investigation into the Bidfen papers will show what you say; but that is exactly why it should be done.

Good thing it's been investigated from the beginning and continues to be investigated, then.

Now that that's been resolved, maybe we can manufacture another thing to be mad about.

 

[johnny karate]

THIS.
The main reason I think the investigation into the BIden misplacment is important is to clear this up, and not let the GOP use it as a hammer.
And it's not like this is going to impede the Trump Investigaion any.
I don't get the outrage over this some here are showing.
And yes, optics are important. Anybody who does not see that (no joke intended) is a fool.

Who is outraged about the investigation into Biden?

 

[johnny karate]

Biden has accomplished a lot, and if inflation continues to decline while unemployment remains low he could be in a strong position in 2024. I, too, think he's too old for a second term. But he might still be the strongest candidate against Trump, who, let's face it, will be the Repub nominee if he wants to be. Could Harris beat Trump? Mayor Pete? State governors that most of the country doesn't even know? Why would they be better than Biden?

Biden has been one of the most successful first-term presidents in any of our lifetimes, but then again he's super old and Democrats are dumb derp derp

 

[varwoche]

According to one of the talking heads on MSNBC or NPR (my morning news fest is always blurred) the statute does not require a special counsel unless a crime is suspected first. No crime is suspected here.

You may be right, but we don't know this.

It may be that the document removal was inadvertent and yet a crime. I'm not clear on that.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

You may be right, but we don't know this.

It may be that the document removal was inadvertent and yet a crime. I'm not clear on that.

I'm going by what the lawyer talking head said this morning plus common sense.

Someone requested or there was a routine search of documents in Biden's possession.

Classified documents turned over to the Library as soon as they were found.

NO OBSTRUCTION even Karl Rove apparently weighed in on that one.

So what potential crime is left? Forgot to clean out your locker when you left school a few years ago?

 

[johnny karate]

Here's a very good explainer on the special counsel situation and what it means.

Some key points:

But let’s be clear about another point as well: the fact that the regulations require a special counsel—and they do—does not necessarily imply that President Biden did something wrong here, much less that the matter at issue bears comparison to the apparently willful hoarding of documents at Mar-a-Lago by former President Trump.

It has to be investigated, to be sure. This kind of mishandling of classified material always triggers a referral to the Justice Department. And it has to be investigated by a special counsel. The regulations are pretty clear about that. But that does not mean it is likely to blossom as a criminal case. Indeed, it’s a most unpromising criminal case.

And as to the symmetry with the Mar-a-Lago investigation? Sometimes optical illusions are just optical illusions.

Look for these two special counsel probes to play out very differently from one another.

 

[johnny karate]

My prediction: The special counsel investigation uncovers no wrongdoing and is closed.

The Right Wing Propaganda Machine brays about it for a few weeks and then moves on to the next manufactured outrage.

A year from now, nobody but MAGA lunatics cares.

 

[Stacyhs]

According to one of the talking heads on MSNBC or NPR (my morning news fest is always blurred) the statute does not require a special counsel unless a crime is suspected first. No crime is suspected here.

OMG you can't be serious! Maybe Garland was waiting for the House Committee to finish up but he could have been more aggressive re the Mar-a-Lago documents instead of letting Trump dicker around for more than a year. And it's been 2 years now since the insurrection. According to multiple sources a DoJ inquiry would be quite different from the Committee inquiry, so no reason to wait that I can see. It's like the DoJ is just now starting to investigate. Why is that? Could have appointed a special counsel a year ago.


How does lack of cooperation impact appointing a special counsel?

I refer you to http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=13986839#post13986839