The Biblical Realities of Hell

[Mudcat]

You've been blessed.

This would only be the latest of the disasters I personally survived through (fires, floods, hurricanes... even another tornado, inside a trailer no less) and I was never in any danger in the BoH where I was working.

What is un-natural are 43 of them in one night and 82-83 just weeks ago.

Edge, it's tornado season. It's called tornado season precisely because its natural to see a lot of tornadoes this time of year.

 

[dafydd]

ways, from pollution to morality.
I know one thing and that is 90% of all people are going through very difficult times.
I'm guessing at the number but it probably is very high.

Guessing,that is all you ever do. Most of the people I know are happy. Is it just that ninety percent of the people round you are unhappy? I can understand that.

 

[dafydd]

The first part of what you have is fairly right except that some are saved for his purpose and I can’t tell you what that is either way.
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So you don't mind this homicidal god going around murdering people by the thousand? Why do you worship a pyschopath?

 

[Ladewig]

Let me try again by emphasizing the more critical part of my post

We are still talking at cross purposes.

Very young children are innocent. Perhaps devout Christians are innocent as well, but let's stick with toddlers being innocent. Toddlers die in the natural disasters. Therefore innocent people are randomly dying in these disasters. If I understood you post (and I confess that I may have missed a critical point) God could stop these disaster, but God has backed away with the knowledge that His backing away will directly lead to the random deaths of innocent people.


Furthermore, I have not seen evidence that "we follow evil even more so as time goes by." Can you support that claim? In addition, even if it were true, why should God back away if some people follow evil more while other people still follow God?

Well more kids are killing more kids in the inner cities than ever before, Chicago being a new exception with the rate now going down.
The first part of what you have is fairly right except that some are saved for his purpose and I can’t tell you what that is either way.
I can say this... that pretty much what is going on we have caused in many ways, from pollution to morality.
I know one thing and that is 90% of all people are going through very difficult times.
I'm guessing at the number but it probably is very high.

You do understand what a toddler is, don't you? The murder rate by toddlers is not going up.

Furthermore the murder rate in the U.S. is around 5 per 100,000. Are you seriously suggesting that that number is any way part of a decision by God to withdraw His divine protection and allow innocent toddlers to die gruesome deaths? If so, then again, I have to accuse your God of being a monster. Expecially when all it would take is for Him to show Himself in order to convert billions of people.

 

[slingblade]

Edge, first of all, thanks for being kind to Paulhoff in the Community thread. It's appreciated by many.

Second, the threat of hell means exactly the same to us as the threat of nothingness after death means to you. You won't convince us, no more than we will convince you.

So why bother?

 

[edge]

Edge, first of all, thanks for being kind to Paulhoff in the Community thread. It's appreciated by many.

Second, the threat of hell means exactly the same to us as the threat of nothingness after death means to you. You won't convince us, no more than we will convince you.

So why bother?

Time will heal him.
Why bother?
LET'S SEE....
I'll have to get back to ya.

 

[slingblade]

Time will heal him.
Why bother?
LET'S SEE....
I'll have to get back to ya.

 

[edge]

Time guys, for a side bar.

First thing never argue with a woman whose nickname has anything to do with sharp instruments.
Sling blade brings back memories of the Seinfeld episodes of the Moyle that circumcised Jerry’s finger.

 

[Ladewig]

First thing never argue with a woman whose nickname has anything to do with sharp instruments.
Sling blade brings back memories of the Seinfeld episodes of the Moyle that circumcised Jerry’s finger.

Ha Ha.

I see you have time to respond to posts that have nothing to do with the topic at hand while at the same time ignoring posts that call you out on your arrant, damnable nonsense.

 

[edge]

Ha Ha.

I see you have time to respond to posts that have nothing to do with the topic at hand while at the same time ignoring posts that call you out on your arrant, damnable nonsense.

I have pretty much said all that I can say.
Hell = separation from God, you won't know it till you know there is a God.
If there is a God it is up to him what he thinks of your heart and I believe we all will be saved simply because others are a cause of what goes on in this world those others are allowed to influence us for a short time, to us traveling through time it is like eternity.
It may have something to do with the salvation of those others, there are many creatures around the throne of God, and the throne of God must be the universe as I am examining this in another thread.
As far as toddlers, the truly innocent this is something only god knows why and the reasons.
If you truly believe this is only coincidence then why be angry with God.
I believe in him and still give him the benefit of doubt because I don't know exactly why, but one promise is that it will all be made clear in his presence.
After that hopefully life for all.
The pit hopefully is for the principality of evil.

 

[dafydd]

I have pretty much said all that I can say.
Hell = separation from God,

I am totally separated from any god and I am having a whale of a time. The rest of your post was the usual gibberish.

 

[Ladewig]

I have pretty much said all that I can say.
Hell = separation from God, you won't know it till you know there is a God.
If there is a God it is up to him what he thinks of your heart and I believe we all will be saved simply because others are a cause of what goes on in this world those others are allowed to influence us for a short time, to us traveling through time it is like eternity.
It may have something to do with the salvation of those others, there are many creatures around the throne of God, and the throne of God must be the universe as I am examining this in another thread.
As far as toddlers, the truly innocent this is something only god knows why and the reasons.
If you truly believe this is only coincidence then why be angry with God.
I believe in him and still give him the benefit of doubt because I don't know exactly why, but one promise is that it will all be made clear in his presence.
After that hopefully life for all.
The pit hopefully is for the principality of evil.

I am not angry with God.

Seriously, I am not angry with God.

I'll say it a third time, because I really want you to understand it: I am not angry with God because I do not believe that God exists.

I am angry with you for describing a psychotic version of God and hoping that we will worship it. According to you, God was preventing these disasters and then decided to "move away" from us in such a way that the result was more disasters. Among the possible reasons for this action was listed "teens killing teens." I am sickened by the idea of a God that is so delicate that the idea that 5 people out of 100,000 being murdered makes Him move away. I am also sickened by the idea that we will be judged by a God too shy to show His face for the past 2000 years. If His goal is to get people to worship Him then all He has to do is 1) answer prayers asking for healing OR 2) appear to the world and demonstrate His power OR 3) stop religious wars OR do any of the hundreds of things that would convert billions of people.

It really is that simple.

Furthermore, I cannot for the life of me distinguish between your religion and the religion of primitive Pacific Islanders who worship a volcano god. If the volcano erupts, then it is evidence that they have done something to displease the vengeful volcano god. They speculate as to whether it was immorality among the young or a lack of faith in his great power or simply the fulfillment of an ancient prophecy. They cannot conceive that it is simply a natural event occurring every few hundred years. It is not god's anger or disappointment or judgment that makes the volcano erupt - it is natural forces deep underground.

 

[Ladewig]

Furthermore, you concept of Hell undermines the basic tenets of the Christian religion. Jesus's sacrifice allegedly allows us to receive salvation. Is hell is simply absence from God, then what kind of sacrifice is it for Jesus to simply spend three days away from the Father?

 

[HghrSymmetry]

I am willing to bet that the number of earthquakes larger than 4.0 in the next seven months will not be more than 12.5% greater than the number of earthquakes in the past seven months. If you prefer, you can replace seven with any number up to 19.

I assumed he was saying that the ramp up to the amazing levels expected by December 2012 would start in the next few months and we would see a measurable trend by December of this year.



I have excellent ideas about running casinos. Around 10 years again, casinos started showing the past 10 numbers that hit on each roulette wheel. It was an ingenuous idea because half the people see four red numbers in a row and say, "I should make an extra bet on red because it is on a streak" and half say "I should make an extra bet on black because it is due." I'd post previous numbers on each craps table because craps players are even more superstitious than roulette players.

Often when posters don't want to bet money, they will make a bet in which the winner will get to write whatever he or she wants in the loser's personal signature file for a set number of months. For instance if we were to bet and I won, I would have you add a line to your sig that said "Dowsing is nonsense and here is a website that explains why WWW.yaddayadda." Conversely, you could include a line in my sig that said, "The Bible reveals great truths and contains amazing prophecies. By December 2012 no one will be able to seriously doubt God's great powers."¹
I think those willing to bet with you will need only to describe the precise amount of increase. For instance, if you are going to claim a 1 % rise fits your claim and you should win if that happens, no one will bet with you because a 1 % variance is common for year-to-year statistics.


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1) I offer apologies if I have mischaracterized your beliefs about the Bible.

He did say that the number of natural disasters in 2011 will be higher that the number of natural disasters in 2010. I am not saying it is an impressive prediction, but I do think it counts as a prediction.

Just repeating what's in there compared to what Paul is saying, that prediction is in Revelation already.
The similarities of an killer asteroid.

All natural disasters except technical disasters, that’s what that graph displays.
It will be unmistakably noticeable and probably more than a 20% increase compared to 2010.

Well, it's 2012 now. Was there a 20% increase? Will your target respond?

-Naw, I didn't think so either.

 

[jj]

I still can't choke down the thread title that contains the phrase "Biblical Realities".

 

[Mudcat]

I still can't choke down the thread title that contains the phrase "Biblical Realities".

The sad reality is that the Bible really exists.

 

[Ladewig]

Well, it's 2012 now. Was there a 20% increase? Will your target respond?

-Naw, I didn't think so either.

I don't think so either.

But looking at all my posts leads me to believe I am one chatty little monkey. I guess that's how my number of posts got up to 14,000.

 

[Paulhoff]

The sad reality is that the Bible really exists.

More than that, people believe it, or at least think they really know what it says without reading it. Their religious leaders would never, ever cherry-pick it.

Paul

 

[HghrSymmetry]

I don't think so either.

But looking at all my posts leads me to believe I am one chatty little monkey. I guess that's how my number of posts got up to 14,000.

Acknowledged. But, if you're having fun,.. well that's what matters.

 

[Tricky]

I still can't choke down the thread title that contains the phrase "Biblical Realities".

Just think of it as "Literary Realities", as in, "The Literary Realities of Harry Potter". Yeah, it's a bit of an oxymoron, but at least you understand it.