The Biblical Realities of Hell

[dafydd]

Yes edge, feel sorry for the people that have BOOK LEARNIN and don't have a monster of a god in the sky.

Paul

Book larnin',surely?

 

[dafydd]

Earthquake in Alaska last night 7.4 with tsunami warning for that state.
Northern Pacific Ocean has triggered a tsunami warning along Alaska's Aleutian Islands.
The tsunami warning was cancelled.

And? What do these natural events have to with a mythical hell?

 

[pakeha]

Well, He's only a monster if you consider killing hundreds of thousands of random, innocent people in a capricious manner for the sole reason of heralding His return to be monstrous. Of wait, that pretty much defines the personification of monstrous. Yet, somehow Edge wants us to consider the possibility of worshiping such a madman. None for me, thanks.

In yellow what you wrote there isn't what they recorded, actually it is the opposite.

Could you explain what you mean?
And point me to evidence of the global flood you mentioned?

 

[Ladewig]

Earthquake in Alaska last night 7.4 with tsunami warning for that state.
Northern Pacific Ocean has triggered a tsunami warning along Alaska's Aleutian Islands.
The tsunami warning was cancelled.

Well, you scored on tsunami and volcano. Upon reflection, I will take your side and say that loss of property or life is not necessary for a natural disaster.

All we need now is a hurricane. Of course hurricane season is starting, so it may not really be right to let you have a window far into the future just so you can claim another natural disaster.

And as other posters have pointed out, we still have no evidence that such a combination is unprecedented or even unusual.

But FAR more important is the apparent claim that God does not kill innocent people in these current natural disasters. Can you back up or explain that claim?

 

[RoboTimbo]

Earthquake in Alaska last night 7.4 with tsunami warning for that state.
Northern Pacific Ocean has triggered a tsunami warning along Alaska's Aleutian Islands.
The tsunami warning was cancelled.

Wrong thread. You want to post this in the other one. And while you're at it, are those goddidit disasters or natural ones?

 

[Paulhoff]

Earthquake in Alaska last night 7.4 with tsunami warning for that state.
Northern Pacific Ocean has triggered a tsunami warning along Alaska's Aleutian Islands.
The tsunami warning was cancelled.

Andddd, we do have the NEWS edge.

With any earthquake along the coast there are tsunami warnings now, what of it. With the movement of the plate near Japan, stress will be moved to other plates in that area, they are also looking for the plate just south of Japan for an earthquake too. Nothing unusual edge, moving right along.

A 9 is 250 times bigger then a 7.4.

New report, 7.2 which is 500 times smaller then a 9.

Paul

 

[edge]

Wrong thread. You want to post this in the other one. And while you're at it, are those goddidit disasters or natural ones?

Could be devildidit disaters.

Paulhoff you need to read this.

12Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

13But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

14But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;

15And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Maybe it will help maybe it won't since you keep harping on people changing what's there.

The flooding in North Dakota has now beaten the record set there in 1881 by 12 feet, increase or not?

 

[edge]

Could you explain what you mean?
And point me to evidence of the global flood you mentioned?

The Bible clearly states why God supposedly killed those people in the past and it is the opposite of what was said and misrepresented by that statement.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=7306956#post7306956

This is what I found locally just in Florida.


On my page you'll find more and this is off topic.
But what the Hell.

 

[Ladewig]

Could be devildidit disaters.

Is that your position? That the devil is responsible for all the deaths associated with the "increase" in natural disasters? Or are you just trying to point out a false dichotomy without actually answering the question?

Even if it is the devil, why would the people being killed not be random, innocent people?

 

[RoboTimbo]

Could be devildidit disaters.

I'm not interested in what it 'could be'. If you have some objective way to know, tell everyone what that is.

If you don't have an objective way to know, admit that it's just your own wishful thinking.

 

[catsmate]

What protects the earth and it's inhabitants from the solar wind (aka sun)?

Sigh. The solar wind is not the sun. The solar wind is merely one solar phenomena.

science is merely mans attempt to interpret gods creation

No. Science is man's successful attempt to understand reality.
Religion is man's failed attempt to understand reality.

 

[dafydd]

 

[edge]

Sigh. The solar wind is not the sun. The solar wind is merely one solar phenomena.


No. Science is man's successful attempt to understand reality.
Religion is man's failed attempt to understand realityGod.

There fixed it for you.
Your first statement is just you picking a fight.
The magnetic fields at the poles does what?
Let's see how smart you are.

 

[edge]

I'm not interested in what it 'could be'. If you have some objective way to know, tell everyone what that is.

If you don't have an objective way to know, admit that it's just your own wishful thinking.

The only way I have to know is to study what the bible has to say about what will happen and what will become of us and how.
Seems to becoming true, signs of the times.

 

[edge]

Is that your position? That the devil is responsible for all the deaths associated with the "increase" in natural disasters? Or are you just trying to point out a false dichotomy without actually answering the question?

Even if it is the devil, why would the people being killed not be random, innocent people?

Natural disasters do not separate people out by selecting the innocent or the Christians and atheists; proximity of people living together makes that impossible.
Since the devil is the apostasy of all evil and we as humans are susceptible to it's influence and we follow evil even more so as time goes by then yes the devil/principalities gain strength as God backs away.
Did I understand your question right?

 

[Ladewig]

Natural disasters do not separate people out by selecting the innocent or the Christians and atheists; proximity of people living together makes that impossible.
Since the devil is the apostasy of all evil and we as humans are susceptible to it's influence and we follow evil even more so as time goes by then yes the devil/principalities gain strength as God backs away.
Did I understand your question right?

We are still talking at cross purposes.

Very young children are innocent. Perhaps devout Christians are innocent as well, but let's stick with toddlers being innocent. Toddlers die in the natural disasters. Therefore innocent people are randomly dying in these disasters. If I understood you post (and I confess that I may have missed a critical point) God could stop these disaster, but God has backed away with the knowledge that His backing away will directly lead to the random deaths of innocent people.


Furthermore, I have not seen evidence that "we follow evil even more so as time goes by." Can you support that claim? In addition, even if it were true, why should God back away if some people follow evil more while other people still follow God?

 

[Mudcat]

Weds. night a tornado touched down in Louisville, KY (I ought to know, I was at work when it happened and management wouldn't even allow the customers to leave). So far as I know no damage was done and no one was hurt... but maybe I'm just being thick here a second so please forgive me:

What does a an explainable, entirely natural phenomena occurring on earth have anything to do with anything with the existence or non-existence of Hell, Edge?

 

[dafydd]

Weds. night a tornado touched down in Louisville, KY (I ought to know, I was at work when it happened and management wouldn't even allow the customers to leave). So far as I know no damage was done and no one was hurt... but maybe I'm just being thick here a second so please forgive me:

What does a an explainable, entirely natural phenomena occurring on earth have anything to do with anything with the existence or non-existence of Hell, Edge?

Nothing,but no power on Earth will ever get Edge to understand it.

Even money that Edge says he knows it because of an unearthly power.

 

[edge]

Weds. night a tornado touched down in Louisville, KY (I ought to know, I was at work when it happened and management wouldn't even allow the customers to leave). So far as I know no damage was done and no one was hurt... but maybe I'm just being thick here a second so please forgive me:

What does a an explainable, entirely natural phenomena occurring on earth have anything to do with anything with the existence or non-existence of Hell, Edge?

You've been blessed.
What is un-natural are 43 of them in one night and 82-83 just weeks ago.
These are signs of what is to come and that is, an increase in all natural disasters.
The question here is, will it lead to hell on Earth?
To victims it is, to survivors it isn’t.

 

[edge]

We are still talking at cross purposes.

Very young children are innocent. Perhaps devout Christians are innocent as well, but let's stick with toddlers being innocent. Toddlers die in the natural disasters. Therefore innocent people are randomly dying in these disasters. If I understood you post (and I confess that I may have missed a critical point) God could stop these disaster, but God has backed away with the knowledge that His backing away will directly lead to the random deaths of innocent people.


Furthermore, I have not seen evidence that "we follow evil even more so as time goes by." Can you support that claim? In addition, even if it were true, why should God back away if some people follow evil more while other people still follow God?

Well more kids are killing more kids in the inner cities than ever before, Chicago being a new exception with the rate now going down.

The first part of what you have is fairly right except that some are saved for his purpose and I can’t tell you what that is either way.
I can say this... that pretty much what is going on we have caused in many ways, from pollution to morality.
I know one thing and that is 90% of all people are going through very difficult times.
I'm guessing at the number but it probably is very high.