The Biblical Realities of Hell

[Oualawouzou]

Hey, I'm not tsig, but can I play?

More specifically, the modern mind is typically only concerned with "freedom from" (subjectively) and tend to ignore "freedom for" (objectively), or, efficient cause (where it's coming from) vs. final cause (where it's going) because the latter involves the notions of ends or perfection or final cause, the reason of reasons, which all point to God.

There. Right there is the problem. Assuming the universe (and by extension, ourselves) exist "for" something, for a "final cause", is a pretty big blunder. Everything we know about the world points to things being what they are thanks to cold, unforgiving physical laws. Humans and the bias with which we view the world are accidental consequences of these laws.

Pretty much everything that follows the quote above in your original post is a meaningless word salad that expand on that false premise.


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clarity is not as important as courage.

Weirdly enough, there is a surprisingly high number of people who are terrified by the notion that "we exist" and so find comfort in the notion that "we exist FOR something".
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[quixotecoyote]

So what do you call it a cosmic blessing?



How about the three guys that walked out of the fire.

read all of it then get back to me.
from: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Daniel+3&version=KJV

There's more, read it all and the bible it's self.

That's your example of a good lesson? I know some guys with a refrigerator sized electric kiln we could use for a test of your faith, but I doubt you'd actually follow through. (eta: and because they're not quite as twisted as I am, I doubt they'd let you do it, so you'd probably need your own.)

 

[Oualawouzou]

So what do you call it a cosmic blessing?

False dichotomy.

 

[Pup]

i'm still here. instead of clever little turns of phrase, how about pointing out what you do not agree with and tell me why?

Thought I did a fair enough job of that in post #249.

Short version: I agree with your point about the nature of truth, but think it applies equally well if the actual truth is that god doesn't exist. Why do you think it naturally leads only to the conclusion that we should believe god exists?

 

[bikerdruid]

i am not an atheist.

christians claim to follow christ.
it is not unreasonable to expect them to not be hypocrites.
i questioned one of edge's claims.
he accused me of being on drugs.
i don't recall jesus ever doing that.

ah...good, edge is back...
so, edge, why is it that you accused me of being on drugs when i questioned your statement?
is that a christian thing?
insult if you can't answer?

 

[I Ratant]

We do?! What is so hard about that message? IF the Bible were true, then the death of Jesus would make it abundantly clear how much God loves us. Who would not understand that?
...

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Talk about "tough love"!
Who ********** it up at the Garden?

 

[dafydd]

That's your example of a good lesson? I know some guys with a refrigerator sized electric kiln we could use for a test of your faith, but I doubt you'd actually follow through. (eta: and because they're not quite as twisted as I am, I doubt they'd let you do it, so you'd probably need your own.)

It's only a story,it didn't happen. Why Edge can't understand that is a mystery to me.

 

[quixotecoyote]

It's only a story,it didn't happen. Why Edge can't understand that is a mystery to me.

Of course it's a story, but edge cited it as a good lesson. Since the lesson is, follow god and he will protect you from extreme heat, I question whether that lesson is particularly realistic and invite him to go play in an incinerator.

 

[bikerdruid]

So what do you call it a cosmic blessing?



How about the three guys that walked out of the fire.

read all of it then get back to me.
from: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Daniel+3&version=KJV

There's more, read it all and the bible it's self.

why is it that you think that you are the only one here who has read the bible?
i would venture to say that there are several here that know the text better than yourself.

when are you going to address the issue of your accusation that i was on drugs?
is that a christian thing?

 

[edge]

I have a plan to increase communication in Edge threads.

Step 1) Edge reads the Bible cover to cover.

This step will help avoid problems such as the ones that have occurred over the past few pages. For instance, when asked if God condemns homosexuality, Edge replied:




Apparently Edge is unaware that the New Testament condemns homosexuality in several places. Romans 1:24-27; I Timothy 1:10; Jude 7; and I Corinthians 6:9-10.

So tell us, Edge, does the true and correct interpretation of God's message condemn homosexuals?


Again, the New Testament says otherwise. Matthew 5:45 God "maketh the rain fall on the just and on the unjust." No, not everything on Earth is based on reward and punishment.



But the Bible clearly instructs proselytizers thusly - Matthew 10:14 "If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet." Perhaps it is time to walk away and your arrogance is keeping you here instead of going out to share the word with people who want to hear it. You are wasting your time here when you could help people craving God.

In any case, discussing the Bible with you, Edge, will be easier if you read the Bible.

An atheist using the bible verses against me, Wow!!
You came into my thread, my house; I am here for the Christians and fence riders too, should they leave as well?

So you think reading cover to cover is all you need?


You ask:

So tell us, Edge, does the true and correct interpretation of God's message condemn homosexuals?

I'm not a homosexual so I have followed what God asks us not to do.
These writers have brought forward what was already in the O.T. along with witnessing.
Because they are tied together for many reasons one that comes to mind is the prophesy of the Messiah.

Gods’ judgments to each and every person is personal.

Because it's gods law and you know this; here is the verse before your posting of 1 Timothy 1:10

1 Timothy 1:9 (King James Version)

9Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

All I can say is odds are you won't be in heaven.
Don't give me the good morals take about gays; good morals don't make you righteous.
That's a step beyond good morals, that means following all laws that are moral according to god and man.

What your are asking is will I accept perversion because of good morals right?
Because of love?
And I say No.
Will God? he says no, will he condemn them?
I don’t know?
Will I? no, but I will separate myself from them…yes!

God will too and I get this from all that men know of God.

This is the question, is that separation hell?

Yes because you don’t know what that is, yet.

The kind of death you’re willing to embrace is terrible, been there, nothingness.

Something and nothing have to exist together.


Wow at least use the whole verse.

Matthew 5:45 (King James Version)
45That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

Gods in control of nature?
And you posted this?
Matthew 10:14 (King James Version)
14And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
Ok!!!
My bolding, it’s not up to me?
What’s the real reason you don’t want me here?

 

[edge]

ah...good, edge is back...
so, edge, why is it that you accused me of being on drugs when i questioned your statement?
is that a christian thing?
insult if you can't answer?

Why you Little @$^&

 

[edge]

Hey, I'm not tsig, but can I play?



There. Right there is the problem. Assuming the universe (and by extension, ourselves) exist "for" something, for a "final cause", is a pretty big blunder. Everything we know about the world points to things being what they are thanks to cold, unforgiving physical laws. Humans and the bias with which we view the world are accidental consequences of these laws.

Pretty much everything that follows the quote above in your original post is a meaningless word salad that expand on that false premise.


[aside]
Weirdly enough, there is a surprisingly high number of people who are terrified by the notion that "we exist" and so find comfort in the notion that "we exist FOR something".
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You can play but keep that yellow marker out of here.

 

[edge]

why is it that you think that you are the only one here who has read the bible?
i would venture to say that there are several here that know the text better than yourself.

when are you going to address the issue of your accusation that i was on drugs?
is that a christian thing?

No it's a cop thing.

Here's a cup you know what to do.

Get over it.

And yes there are plenty of people in here who are well versed.

 

[TimCallahan]

I have mentioned it before but not in this thread.
I have about 300 pages of what I witnessed and where.
That would be irrelevant to this thread and off topic, not that I mind going off topic but I love it when you do, to prove a point, and not you particularly.


It took time.

Okay, fair enough, It would be off topic. However, a link to any other thread(s) where you do go into detail on the subject (short of the 300 pages) would be helpful.

 

[bikerdruid]

No it's a cop thing.

Here's a cup you know what to do.

what in hell is that supposed to mean?

 

[edge]

hermit hippy weirdo


Location: north peace bioregion in the great boreal forest of gaia's western hemisphere

Ya made it easy?
Ya want a link?

 

[edge]

what in hell is that supposed to mean?

I'm not a cop don't get paranoid.

 

[bikerdruid]

An atheist using the bible verses against me, Wow!!
You came into my thread, my house; I am here for the Christians and fence riders too, should they leave as well?

So you think reading cover to cover is all you need?


You ask:

I'm not a homosexual so I have followed what God asks us not to do.
These writers have brought forward what was already in the O.T. along with witnessing.
Because they are tied together for many reasons one that comes to mind is the prophesy of the Messiah.

Gods’ judgments to each and every person is personal.

Because it's gods law and you know this; here is the verse before your posting of 1 Timothy 1:10


All I can say is odds are you won't be in heaven.
Don't give me the good morals take about gays; good morals don't make you righteous.
That's a step beyond good morals, that means following all laws that are moral according to god and man.

What your are asking is will I accept perversion because of good morals right?
Because of love?
And I say No.
Will God? he says no, will he condemn them?
I don’t know?
Will I? no, but I will separate myself from them…yes!

God will too and I get this from all that men know of God.

This is the question, is that separation hell?

Yes because you don’t know what that is, yet.

The kind of death you’re willing to embrace is terrible, been there, nothingness.

Something and nothing have to exist together.


Wow at least use the whole verse.

Matthew 5:45 (King James Version)
45That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

Gods in control of nature?
And you posted this?
Matthew 10:14 (King James Version)
14And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
Ok!!!
My bolding, it’s not up to me?
What’s the real reason you don’t want me here?

wow...what an incredibly long-winded and roundabout evasion of the question.
the bible condemns queers and witches and cross-dressers to death.

do you believe that that is just?

 

[edge]

Okay, fair enough, It would be off topic. However, a link to any other thread(s) where you do go into detail on the subject (short of the 300 pages) would be helpful.

Where I wouldn't know. I have told or metioned it before probably in quit a few.
Do you want to know what turned me?

Being present where there's something more than nothingness, been there.
Where there is an incredible amount of knowledge and I wasn’t allowed to access.
Where I was stopped because I wasn’t righteous enough myself, it wasn’t my time or right to be there.

And there’s way more.
But that's all I can tell you.

 

[edge]

wow...what an incredibly long-winded and roundabout evasion of the question.
the bible condemns queers and witches and cross-dressers to death.

do you believe that that is just?

The bible doesn't do that men and God do.

Do I think it's just?

When men do it no.


Can't judge God and it's his call what he wants.

Because this is personal judgement between the person and God.