The bible makes me sick.

[Radrook]

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Bwahahahahaha! Yeah, Adam was rational. He rationally choose to condemn all humanity to suffering and death.

If the Bible is true, then Adam makes Hitler look like an amateur.

Snickering and then mangling what someone says to suit your agenda is not very convincing. Neither is it an incentive to continue a dialogue.

 

[Yahweh]

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What's so odd about it? He didn't want to have sex with his sister. Granted, she was his sister by marriage but in the eyes of God, marriage is sacred to the point where that should not matter.

[pedant]

So if he didnt want to have sex with his sister (by marriage), why is he having sex with his wife (who, coincidentally, is his sister by marriage)?

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[LostAngeles]

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So if he didnt want to have sex with his sister (by marriage), why is he having sex with his wife (who, coincidentally, is his sister by marriage)?

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You tell us! You're the one who smited him!

 

[Iacchus]

You tell us! You're the one who smited him!

Ha ha ha ha ha ha! ... Very funny!

 

[Radrook]

The god of the OT is not the god of jesus.

I refer y'all to Numbers 31, where the children of Israel are running rampant through the land of Midian. They have become blood sated and no longer wish to kill very thing that they encounter. This is in violation of God's orders.

So Moses goes to the man with the power, his brother Aaron, who gets on the horn anbd communicates with God, God at first is pissed that the CoI would dare consider not killing every living thing they encounter. He almsot sends them to the wilderness gain.

Fortunately with a lot of pleading and whining Aaron is able to change the mind of God, god decrees that they can keep the virgins, kill everything else. Kine, humans, you name , if it has had sex kill it.

Very wonderful innocent people those Midianites!

Really?


It seems you are oblivious to the events leading up to this or else have cunningly chosen to ignore them. Midianites had purposefully striven to weaken Israel militarily by causing them to lose the assistance of their God. They did this by sending their women to entice Israel to sin leading to apostasy. The women did this because Ballam, a sorcerer had advisedt hem that this was the best way to proceed.

That resulted in a plague upon Israel.
That is what the scriptures below is referring to.


Numbers 25:
16 The LORD said to Moses, 17 "Treat the Midianites as enemies and kill them, 18 because they treated you as enemies when they deceived you in the affair of Peor and their sister Cozbi, the daughter of a Midianite leader, the woman who was killed when the plague came as a result of Peor."

The Midianite women killed were those that had been involved in purposefully turning Israel away from God via prostituting themselves. Since the women had voluntarily allowed themselves to be used as part of a military strategy, their removal meant a removal of a military weapon from the enemy. That is what the following verses speak about.

“Have you allowed all the women to live?” he asked them. 16 “They were the ones who followed Balaam’s advice and were the means of turning the Israelites away from the LORD in what happened at Peor, so that a plague struck the LORD’s people. [Num 31.15]


That the Midianites were enemies is further proven by how they continued to attack Israel and form alliances with Israel's enemies.

Judges 6
2 Because the power of Midian was so oppressive, the Israelites prepared shelters for themselves in mountain clefts, caves and strongholds. 3 Whenever the Israelites planted their crops, the Midianites, Amalekites and other eastern peoples invaded the country. 4 They camped on the land and ruined the crops all the way to Gaza and did not spare a living thing for Israel, neither sheep nor cattle nor donkeys.

Very nice people indeed!

The rest of your accusations don't hold much water either.
I will address them later.

 

[Piscivore]

Midianites had purposefully striven to weaken Israel militarily by causing them to lose the assistance of their God. They did this by sending their women to entice Israel to sin leading to apostasy.

That the Midianites were enemies is further proven by how they continued to attack Israel and form alliances with Israel's enemies.

So if an Isreali fscks an Arab girl, god will send a plauge down upon them? No wonder there's so much tension in Palestine.

 

[Iacchus]

So if an Isreali fscks an Arab girl, god will send a plauge down upon them? No wonder there's so much tension in Palestine.

Back in the old days that's quite possible, but that's only because people were closer to the source. Remember when David was confronted by Nathan regarding Bathsheba and Uriah? And basically there went the kingdom all to hell ...

 

[LostAngeles]

Back in the old days that's quite possible, but that's only because people were closer to the source.

You mean the Poor Man's Donald Sutherland from the "Matrix" sequels?

Or is because we're losing something and we no longer see the "gods" like the ancients did?

 

[Doctor X]

Some one remind Radrook that he is spewing fantasy and not history.

--J.D.

 

[Iacchus]

You mean the Poor Man's Donald Sutherland from the "Matrix" sequels?

Haven't seen any of the sequels.

Or is because we're losing something and we no longer see the "gods" like the ancients did?

If someone didn't bring up the possibility how would you ever know?

 

[Radrook]

So if an Isreali fscks an Arab girl, god will send a plauge down upon them? No wonder there's so much tension in Palestine.

God no longer has that type of relationship with Israel.
No one is any longer under the Law Covenant.
It was removed by Jesus' sacrifice.

 

[Radrook]

Back in the old days that's quite possible, but that's only because people were closer to the source. Remember when David was confronted by Nathan regarding Bathsheba and Uriah? And basically there went the kingdom all to hell ...

A the annointed king of Israel who was said to rule as a representative of God, David had a serious responsibility to set the moral example. God could and would withdraw his blessings from Israel as an expression of disaproval of such a wicked king.
It happened repeatedly.That is why it would have been better for Israel niot tro have a king. But since they requested to have kings --God gave them kings. But such kings were required not to be a law unto themselves.

 

[Bottle or the Gun]

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That's not what Radrook is saying.

If your interpretation is true, then god is truly evil, as his punishing of Adam and all humanity was unjust.

By taking knowledge Adam and Eve were then aware of morality, making everything they did after eden subject to punishment. Yeah, God's a bastard

 

[Eos of the Eons]

I'd like to add the question



To the errors since it encourages happines specifically when bashing babies of the daughter of Babylon, not when doing some random baby bashing.

They are babies. No bashing should ever be done to innocent babies, and especially not happy bashing. I don't even care if it is hitler's babies, bash hitler, not the babies. With the diversity of the gene pool in any person, no baby is ever a complete replica of the parent, and should not suffer just for having a certain parent.

 

[Radrook]

They are babies. No bashing should ever be done to innocent babies, and especially not happy bashing. I don't even care if it is hitler's babies, bash hitler, not the babies. With the diversity of the gene pool in any person, no baby is ever a complete replica of the parent, and should not suffer just for having a certain parent.

Does that include the babies at Dresden and Hiroshima and Nagasaki who were unnecessarily and unceremoniously cooked alive or are they excempted from your compassion based on patriotism?

 

[LW]

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So, the main problem in these two cases is adultery, while the others are forbidden as crimes against divine order.

Thinking again, I retract this statement since I can't really support it based from the text.

But anyway, the law-mandated marriage between a woman and the brother of his late husband is a special case in that the first child of this union would be considered to be a child of the dead brother. The reason given for this law is that to prevent a family line dying without a heir.

 

[Beancounter]

Does that include the babies at Dresden and Hiroshima who were unnecessarily and unceremoniously cooked alive or are they excempted from your compassion based on patriotism?

FWIW my opinion is that killing any babies is despicable, but would you parallel the children killed in Sodom and Gomorrah with Dresden/Hiroshima? If so then then you are equating acts of god with acts of man (or vice versa), which brings him to our level. If not, given that babies are innocent and clearly not evil, why the difference?

 

[Ipecac]

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Snickering and then mangling what someone says to suit your agenda is not very convincing. Neither is it an incentive to continue a dialogue.

Then answer the charge. Either Adam knew that he was condemning all humanity to suffering and death or he didn't. Which is it?

 

[Eos of the Eons]

Does that include the babies at Dresden and Hiroshima and Nagasaki who were unnecessarily and unceremoniously cooked alive or are they excempted from your compassion based on patriotism?

Right, and you were there as americans happily roasted babies on spits while alive? The americans danced in the streets as the babies were fired up?

Your comparision is ridiculously out there. Not only that, but the Japanese attacked and killed first. Ever hear of Pearl Harbour?

 

[Radrook]

Right, and you were there as americans happily roasted babies on spits while alive? The americans danced in the streets as the babies were fired up?

Your comparision is ridiculously out there. Not only that, but the Japanese attacked and killed first. Ever hear of Pearl Harbour?

So you approve of the burning alive of those babies.
just as I thought!
No more need be said.
Case closed.