The bible makes me sick.
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Bottle or the Gun
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Who's your Messiah?
Sounds like a great pick up line to me.
Radrook said:
Sounds like a great pick up line to me.
Skeptical Greg
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43 here...
Proud? Sounds like you didn't work closely enough with your ghost writers...
Yahweh said:
I scored 32 out of 50, I feel proud
43 here...
Proud? Sounds like you didn't work closely enough with your ghost writers...
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You stopped short on the story - after this the all-knowing god parades animals by Adam in hopes one of these will be his help-mate. It was only after Adam couldn't settle on one of the four-legged creatures - that god made woman. Nice call, god.
Radrook said:
You stopped short on the story - after this the all-knowing god parades animals by Adam in hopes one of these will be his help-mate. It was only after Adam couldn't settle on one of the four-legged creatures - that god made woman. Nice call, god.
Dancing David
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The god of the OT is not the god of jesus.
I refer y'all to Numbers 31, where the children of Israel are running rampant through the land of Midian. They have become blood sated and no longer wish to kill very thing that they encounter. This is in violation of God's orders.
So Moses goes to the man with the power, his brother Aaron, who gets on the horn anbd communicates with God, God at first is pissed that the CoI would dare consider not killing every living thing they encounter. He almsot sends them to the wilderness gain.
Fortunately with a lot of pleading and whining Aaron is able to change the mind of God, god decrees that they can keep the virgins, kill everything else. Kine, humans, you name , if it has had sex kill it.
I refer y'all to Numbers 31, where the children of Israel are running rampant through the land of Midian. They have become blood sated and no longer wish to kill very thing that they encounter. This is in violation of God's orders.
So Moses goes to the man with the power, his brother Aaron, who gets on the horn anbd communicates with God, God at first is pissed that the CoI would dare consider not killing every living thing they encounter. He almsot sends them to the wilderness gain.
Fortunately with a lot of pleading and whining Aaron is able to change the mind of God, god decrees that they can keep the virgins, kill everything else. Kine, humans, you name , if it has had sex kill it.
Skeptical Greg
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And there is no virgin like a Midiannite virgin.. Or, so I hear anyway..
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'Adam' must have been a primitive and bicameral creature. He could not be held accountable for his actions and good and bad had no meaning to him. (It is like being angry at a wolf for eating a lamb. He's just being a wolf.) Hence, he was perfect and sinless.
Ipecac said:
'Adam' must have been a primitive and bicameral creature. He could not be held accountable for his actions and good and bad had no meaning to him. (It is like being angry at a wolf for eating a lamb. He's just being a wolf.) Hence, he was perfect and sinless.
Skeptical Greg
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Yeah, but what's the ' servant ' thing.. Loose translation of ' son ' , maybe?LW said:
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He had a house AND a senate?
Bottle or the Gun said:
He had a house AND a senate?
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What's so odd about it? He didn't want to have sex with his sister. Granted, she was his sister by marriage but in the eyes of God, marriage is sacred to the point where that should not matter.
LW said:
What's so odd about it? He didn't want to have sex with his sister. Granted, she was his sister by marriage but in the eyes of God, marriage is sacred to the point where that should not matter.
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Incest is generally defined as sex between blood-relatives; not between in-laws. As far as I know (which admittedly isn't particularly far on this subject), there is no passages in the bible that equates a bond of marriage with a bond of blood.
scribble said:
Incest is generally defined as sex between blood-relatives; not between in-laws. As far as I know (which admittedly isn't particularly far on this subject), there is no passages in the bible that equates a bond of marriage with a bond of blood.
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Well, my point was really that you were applying a definition of incest that seemed to be neither derived from the bible (as the subject of discussion) nor which is generally used by society at large.
On top of my head I can't think of any culture where marriage between in-laws is considered taboo or wrong; and I do know that in some agricultural societies it was considered "the right thing to do" for an unwed man to marry his brother's wife if his brother died.
scribble said:
Well, my point was really that you were applying a definition of incest that seemed to be neither derived from the bible (as the subject of discussion) nor which is generally used by society at large.
On top of my head I can't think of any culture where marriage between in-laws is considered taboo or wrong; and I do know that in some agricultural societies it was considered "the right thing to do" for an unwed man to marry his brother's wife if his brother died.
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I'm not aware that the Bible has *any* concpet for "incest," thus my inability to choose that one.
My understanding about society at large is if you have a stepsister who is related to you only by marriage and you have sex with her, most people would consider that incest. From that, I naturally assume that ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ your brother's wife would fit as well.
On the other hand, my understanding is probably tainted by decades of bad pornography.
Leif Roar said:
I'm not aware that the Bible has *any* concpet for "incest," thus my inability to choose that one.
My understanding about society at large is if you have a stepsister who is related to you only by marriage and you have sex with her, most people would consider that incest. From that, I naturally assume that ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ your brother's wife would fit as well.
On the other hand, my understanding is probably tainted by decades of bad pornography.
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Check Leviticus 20 that enumerates the forbidden sexual realtionships, including the incest cases. Having sex with a sister-in-law is forbidden because it "dishonours your brother" (the laws are written from male viewpoint, giving several nice loopholes for women who read the text literally) and with the wife of an uncle because it "dishonours your uncle". So, the main problem in these two cases is adultery, while the others are forbidden as crimes against divine order.
I've seen a theory (can't remember by whom) that explains that the icky reaction for having sex with close relatives is a product of evolution that in part prevents hereditary diseases. According to it, the mechanism covers the people you grow up with. So, if you live as a child with a completely unrelated person of the opposite sex, you are not likely to fall in love with him or her when reaching puberty. (Contrary to lots of love stories from fiction).
In the stepsister case the presumably same age may trigger that icky reaction. On the other had, brother's wife is not likely to be a relative so the reaction is not triggered.
The definitions of incest have varied from society to society. A quite common case is that two children who were suckled by the same nurse are considered to be siblings and thus may not marry. The Catholic world usually extends incest to cover also the case of a godparent and a godchild.
[The Decamerone contains a story where a monk who is the godfather of a child manages to seduce the mother by explaining that the woman has already sex with the father who is even more close relative than the godfather is, so it doesn't matter anymore if she has sex with him, also]
scribble said:
Check Leviticus 20 that enumerates the forbidden sexual realtionships, including the incest cases. Having sex with a sister-in-law is forbidden because it "dishonours your brother" (the laws are written from male viewpoint, giving several nice loopholes for women who read the text literally) and with the wife of an uncle because it "dishonours your uncle". So, the main problem in these two cases is adultery, while the others are forbidden as crimes against divine order.
I've seen a theory (can't remember by whom) that explains that the icky reaction for having sex with close relatives is a product of evolution that in part prevents hereditary diseases. According to it, the mechanism covers the people you grow up with. So, if you live as a child with a completely unrelated person of the opposite sex, you are not likely to fall in love with him or her when reaching puberty. (Contrary to lots of love stories from fiction).
In the stepsister case the presumably same age may trigger that icky reaction. On the other had, brother's wife is not likely to be a relative so the reaction is not triggered.
The definitions of incest have varied from society to society. A quite common case is that two children who were suckled by the same nurse are considered to be siblings and thus may not marry. The Catholic world usually extends incest to cover also the case of a godparent and a godchild.
[The Decamerone contains a story where a monk who is the godfather of a child manages to seduce the mother by explaining that the woman has already sex with the father who is even more close relative than the godfather is, so it doesn't matter anymore if she has sex with him, also]