The bible condones slavery

There are plenty of white evangelicals and baptists that I think would be right comfortable with slavery making a reappearance. Matter of fact, there's a whole forum full of Birthers that probably would not mind a literal interpretation of Leviticus.

They'd be so happy to have slaves they would willingly give up wearing garments made of mixed fibers.
 
MsFortune said:
There are plenty of white evangelicals and baptists that I think would be right comfortable with slavery making a reappearance. Matter of fact, there's a whole forum full of Birthers that probably would not mind a literal interpretation of Leviticus.

They'd be so happy to have slaves they would willingly give up wearing garments made of mixed fibers.
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WHOA now back the truck up!!! Mixed fibers is where I draw the line there buddy. How the hell am I supposed to look dope if I cant wear those mixed fibers?
 
Craig B said:
It's not hard to see why the believers feel inclined to leave this one alone. Here is an extract from a Bull Romanus Pontifex written by Pope Nicholas V in 1455 in favour of King Alfonso V of Portugal permitting him to exploit newly discovered lands in Africa. It is in essence the founding charter of the West African slave trade.
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Yeah im expecting a tumble weed to roll through this thread before the believers show up.
 
keale said:
So it was a cultural norm because god made the rules. since god made the rules and had them written down in the bible we can conclude that slavery is fine and dandy. I would formally like to convert and choose my foreign slave girl. I love exotic women
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Marduk might be able to help you there.
 
Craig B said:
Does the Bible permit owners to murder their slaves, as long as the slave dies slowly? See Exodus 21:20-21. Here are some other translations of v 21. The New International Version is quite different from the others, and makes no sense. By the way, traditional Jewish and Christian commentators assume that the slave dies, and doesn't "recover", after one or two days.
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Looking at my King James Version, I see that what is variously translated as "survives" or "recovers" is rendered "continue" in the KJV. Looking "continue" up in my copy of Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible (which happens, in my version, to be keyed to the KJV), I find that the original Hebrew word is 'amad, which means "stand." Thus, if the slave you smacked up side the head stands (i.e. lives) a day or two, you're home free. So, the trick, if you want to be rid of this particular slave, and you don't think you can get a good price for him - maybe he's an old codger and eats more than he can produce in labor - is to smack him just hard enough that he'll eventually die of the blow, just not right then and there. So, this calls for a certain degree of subtlety and finesse. Perhaps one needs the services of a professional slave-smacker.
 
TimCallahan said:
Looking at my King James Version, I see that what is variously translated as "survives" or "recovers" is rendered "continue" in the KJV. Looking "continue" up in my copy of Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible (which happens, in my version, to be keyed to the KJV), I find that the original Hebrew word is 'amad, which means "stand." Thus, if the slave you smacked up side the head stands (i.e. lives) a day or two, you're home free. So, the trick, if you want to be rid of this particular slave, and you don't think you can get a good price for him - maybe he's an old codger and eats more than he can produce in labor - is to smack him just hard enough that he'll eventually die of the blow, just not right then and there. So, this calls for a certain degree of subtlety and finesse. Perhaps one needs the services of a professional slave-smacker.
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Maybe a weekend at Bernies?
 
Lowpro said:
You pick the good parts? Thomas Jefferson did that, but then again slavery was still a cultural norm...
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He got rid of all the magic stuff, one day I hope to see what he left in that I would cut out.

Paul

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Craig B said:
It's not hard to see why the believers feel inclined to leave this one alone. Here is an extract from a Bull Romanus Pontifex written by Pope Nicholas V in 1455 in favour of King Alfonso V of Portugal permitting him to exploit newly discovered lands in Africa. It is in essence the founding charter of the West African slave trade.
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Combine that papal bull with the concept of papal infallibility and there are probably a lot of things that many people would want to gloss over.
 
In regards to slavery, the whole relationship of man with God is described as one of servitude. I believe in something more than just this life but I have absolutely no faith or confidence in an ancient good ole boy's interpretation of what God thinks.

As for slavery, it is still in existence today although we call it by other names; human trafficking, being trapped in the welfare system, slave labor in sweat shops, pretty much any situation or institution that removes the equality of men and women is a form of modern day slavery. It is alive and well in every country on earth, including the U.S.

To be honest, the problem isn't about God and whether he exists, or what some old guy sitting up on a mountain talking to a burning bush says he will or won't allow. The problem lies with us as a general rule because we simply aren't capable of rising above it all and being unselfish. Morals evolve as a matter of learning to live together, choosing to adhere to them on an individual basis is what continues to create conflict regardless of what one thinks of the existence of a deity.
 
Jodie said:
In regards to slavery, the whole relationship of man with God is described as one of servitude. I believe in something more than just this life but I have absolutely no faith or confidence in an ancient good ole boy's interpretation of what God thinks.

As for slavery, it is still in existence today although we call it by other names; human trafficking, being trapped in the welfare system, slave labor in sweat shops, pretty much any situation or institution that removes the equality of men and women is a form of modern day slavery. It is alive and well in every country on earth, including the U.S.

To be honest, the problem isn't about God and whether he exists, or what some old guy sitting up on a mountain talking to a burning bush says he will or won't allow. The problem lies with us as a general rule because we simply aren't capable of rising above it all and being unselfish. Morals evolve as a matter of learning to live together, choosing to adhere to them on an individual basis is what continues to create conflict regardless of what one thinks of the existence of a deity.
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Thats fair and I understand your POV. Its true modern day slavery still exists in many forms. Seems almost human nature to take advantage of the weaker among us. I hope in the future we can work towards eliminating this.

id like to get input from other believers.

This is a question of whether morality is divinely inspired by the bible god and if so why can we ignore something the bible clearly condones. Are we smarter than the bible god? Or are we doing it wrong by not taking the virgins as war booty?
 
Jodie said:
As for slavery, it is still in existence today although we call it by other names; human trafficking, being trapped in the welfare system, slave labor in sweat shops, pretty much any situation or institution that removes the equality of men and women is a form of modern day slavery. It is alive and well in every country on earth, including the U.S.
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Except what you describe is not slavery.
Any situation which removes equality is slavery? The fact that one person has a lower income than another removes equality, but is not slavery.
 
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Kaylee said:
On a related note, I always wonder how the abolition of slavery came about in the Western World considering that most of its citizens were Christians and presumably believed in the bible at the time.

That question may belong in the history forum.
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If one wants to read Christians arguing whether slavery is moral, from a Biblical point of view, 19th century American publications are one of the best places.
 
Polaris said:
Pretty sure Frederick Douglass as well.

But you'd be improving yourself by reading him regardless.
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Thank you, I was about to get out my paper notes. Douglass was a magnificent writer. Garrison was a fire-and-brimstone preacher of abolition.

Of some slight interest, Garrison's son helped the NAACP in their counter-attack of "Birth of a Nation".
 
Pup said:
If one wants to read Christians arguing whether slavery is moral, from a Biblical point of view, 19th century American publications are one of the best places.
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Which needs to ignore what Christians in many other countries were saying and more importantly doing
 
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