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The BFF V The BFRO Forums

Jerrymander said:
I was surpised by the number of people (atleast the believers) at the BFF who reject the big bang and evolution.
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As suspicious and hostile towards science as many of these folks seem to be, this isn't surprising. Add in a general ignorance of how science is done, well, there you go.

Of course there's also the fact thay very few scientists give this fringe belief much more than a shrug.

All that's needed to generate interest, funding, research would be a specimen. When's that gonna happen?
 
Jerrymander said:
I was surpised by the number of people (atleast the believers) at the BFF who reject the big bang and evolution.
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That must be talked about in the Tar Pit, I know the majority of the people I have come to know from the (Bigot Fundamentalist Forum) are very religious, I can just imagination what goes on in there, it's no wonder they don't like us very much, here we have the scientific answers, there they have another myth.

I wonder if they know that god created the monkey in his own image, it's the only way that Bigfoot could exist ya know ~ side by side, hand in hand all religion against the proven evolution of the man.

Tim :)
 
Yeah, I keep explaining to Mulder the difference between evolution and abiogenesis but he doesn't listen.
 
Resume said:
All that's needed to generate interest, funding, research would be a specimen. When's that gonna happen?
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They apparently can't get enough fund to find a giant ape that is sighted by thousands from Alaska to Florida.
 
Jerrymander said:
They apparently can't get enough fund to find a giant ape that is sighted by thousands from Alaska to Florida.
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All the funds that would be needed is about 3 bucks for a well placed bullet, but it seems despite all the expert hunters and the expert trackers and the expert Bigfoot experts and the expert teams of experts, no one can seem to find that one specimen.

Tim ~ :)
 
Jodie said:
They seem to claim bonding with female sasquatch most often. There is one lady that called her "friend" Chappingwa, but the lady sasquatch moved on after awhile, or possibly died.

Another claimed, not friendship, but reservation as the one she talked to most often was some kind of sasquatch witch. I wouldn't exactly call that bonding.

There is one lady habituator that says she only sees the males. If you check out her facebook page it is covered in photos of primarily herself rather than family photos like most folks have, draw your own conclusions for that one.

The guys that don't claim habituation, but recurrent encounters, usually say the ones they see are male.
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Any thoughts on what this all means?
 
Jerrymander said:
Yeah, I keep explaining to Mulder the difference between evolution and abiogenesis but he doesn't listen.
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Back in the day I got along with him just like peas in a pod, we both liked the fact that BF could exist and all was just dandy, then came the terrible news that RRS had seen through the smoke and fog and came to realize that it really was just a myth and it was fueled by the very people that want you to trust them and call you friend, I got to the top of the crop and had the cult confide in me, I am here to tell ya the entire thing is a lie and and those that call you friend are using you, but, don't trust me just keep on thinking I'm telling a lie, until that one day when it becomes clear that you have been had.

Tim :)
 
jerrywayne said:
Any thoughts on what this all means?
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I can't speak for anyone else, but I think women involved in bigfootery tend to be toxic and crazier than the men involved. I used to try to figure out what kind of crazy it was, but I gave up, it's beyond my ken. Stockholme syndrome as it relates to domestic violence was the closest thing I could come up with outside of some kind of delusional disorder. I don't think that it's a simple explanation like lying. In the immortal words of Miss Lula, my beloved nanny, " What kind of crazy do that be? "
 
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To divert from this fascinating <burp> topic for just a moment, I have an unrelated question for the long time members here who are also longtime BFF members/skeptics. Specifically but not limited to The Shrike (Saskeptic), RayG and Skeptical Greg (Kitakaze too although his is a little different situation). WTF are you guys thinking? :p

Seriously, I'm curious what a present day membership in such a group has as a benefit. From everything I read here about that place, it's only getting nuttier and nuttier, as if it wasn't already at its nutty end when I left in early 2008. I mean, it imploded itself just a few months later and had to literally be reborn on the internet. Along with an accompanying reapplication of membership by everyone. The previous incarnation was gone. No legacy, no data base, no nothing. Thus, a real and vivid 'ending point' was right there ready made for you to finally give up the 'approaching insanity' and yet, you just spit in its face and dived right back in.

WHY?

And I'm not being critical, just really ******* curious. I left and didn't look back. There was nothing there I needed to see anymore. There was a Bigfoot alright, and he was us. Most of the 'players' whom I at any time had any respect for turned out to be mostly just disturbed, misguided phonies. I bet I've spent a combined total of maybe 30 minutes looking at anything there ever since. What have I been missing?
 
You are not missing anything but some good comic people implosion, the place is a looney bin, nothing like the old forum, not even close, I posted in the BFF(Bigot Fundamentalist Forum) friends thread about my experience.

Tim :)
 
HarryHenderson said:
. . . I have an unrelated question for the long time members here who are also longtime BFF members/skeptics.
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My primary motivation for participating at the BFF is to provide information and commentary that promotes critical thinking. Doing that here is rather irrelevant, as the majority of people participating in discussions do not need that input from me. Doing that there is highly relevant, because a lot of people end up there who are honestly just trying to figure out if there's anything to this bigfoot stuff. So that's #1 for me: model good, skeptical behavior and critical thinking. (I hope I'm doing that there!)

A secondary motivation for me is to be current in my information about what bigfooters claim bigfoots do/are. Those claims evolve - as one would expect with folklore - so if I am to claim any authority on the subject I can't let too much pass me by. That seems to be the biggest problem with folks who are the best known "mainstream" bigfoot skeptics: their information is outdated and they say things that, to bigfooters, are clear strawman fallacies. This is why people like Ben Radford have zero credibility at a place like the BFF, but folks like me, RayG, etc. are largely tolerated. I cringe when I hear the SGU talk about bigfoot, for example, because their beginning premises about bigfoot are often way off the mark. That hurts more than it helps.
 
William Parcher said:
How is that working out? Do you have many success stories to tell?
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How would he know? There are plenty (I'd even warrant that it's a majority) of posters who turn up curious about the subject, have a look around for a week or two, then leave. Some, no doubt, have been influenced by calm and sensible accounts such as Saskeptic's. Others are put off by excessive claims from some of the extremist protagonists who examine fuzzy films down to the pixel level.

Mike
 
The Shrike said:
My primary motivation for participating at the BFF is to provide information and commentary that promotes critical thinking. Doing that here is rather irrelevant, as the majority of people participating in discussions do not need that input from me. Doing that there is highly relevant, because a lot of people end up there who are honestly just trying to figure out if there's anything to this bigfoot stuff. So that's #1 for me: model good, skeptical behavior and critical thinking. (I hope I'm doing that there!)
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I haven't spent a heck of a lot of time at BFF because frankly reading more than a few posts there makes my head hurt. But I wonder though what kind of impact can be made at a place where those that claim they've seen this bigfoot thing are absolutely insistent that they couldn't be suffering from any cognitive bias or error.

"I know what I saw!"

So did the horny sailor that mistook a seacow for a mermaid.
 
The Shrike said:
Just add, yes I agree: the BFF 1.0 was practically a "JREF-lite" compared to what the BFF 2.0 is today.
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You most certainly are well respected, I don't know if you are making any headway over there, seems to me no matter what evidence is debunked or even shown to have flaws, they just don't seem to care, if it ain't positive monkey it just falls on deaf ears, couple that with being from the JREF and it's just blasphemy to them.

Tim :)
 
RedRatSnake said:
.......seems to me no matter what evidence is debunked ......... they just don't seem to care, .......... it just falls on deaf ears, couple that with being from the JREF and it's just blasphemy to them.

Tim :)
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As you are aware though, Tim, if you were to re-write this post and swap "BFF" for "Jref", "presented" for "debunked" , that is exactly the proponents on the BFF say about the JREF.

Mike
 
No Bigfoot evidence is debunked in any practical sense unless a Bigfoot believer says you debunked it. This is how it works in Bigfootery and those people do not care how the rest of the world works.
 
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