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[tsig]

Interesting pathology no doubt.

What I find facinating is the spittle-flecked invective directed at skeptics and scientists that don't buy into the footer's boutique fantasy. Acceptance is but a specimen away and many in the community claim to know exactly where this primate lives; so . . . go and get a specimen.

Ask why this hasn't happened and excuses (and hilarity) ensue.

Yep, they have places where they claim to see BF all the time, he throws gravel on the roof and windows, yells and knocks on trees but he never leaves hairs, tracks or poop and no one uses trail cams.

 

[The Shrike]

Interesting. The anecdotal evidence would seem to suggest that it's women more often claiming habituation of some stripe.

If there's anything bigfooters enjoy, it's being recruited for studies of their psychological problems that induce them to claim to see bigfoots!

 

[Resume]

You also have to consider the fact that most of the ones we discuss are members here whether they ever post or not, they are certainly here reading every word we write.

If that's true, they don't seem do much self-examination.

 

[Resume]

If there's anything bigfooters enjoy, it's being recruited for studies of their psychological problems that induce them to claim to see bigfoots!

That might even be a fair criticism, but only if you overlook the fact that none of these folks acknowledge any errors in their cognition; it seems like they've never heard of phenomena like hypnagogia, false pattern recognition or confirmation bias.

 

[RedRatSnake]

That sure is heaping helping of some fancy shamcy words, I bets them believer's just don't understand em, or just don't care to hear them cause it means there is no real BigFoot~

Tim

 

[Resume]

That sure is heaping helping of some fancy shamcy words, I bets them believer's just don't understand em, or just don't care to hear them cause it means there is no real BigFoot~

Tim

Similarly to the "hundreds and hundreds" of mermaid witnesses who were disappointed to learn they had misidentified a manatee.

You can substitute unicorn, centaur, ghost, name your flavor.

"But you weren't there man," is the common rejoinder, as if that explains anything.

 

[River]

Interesting. The anecdotal evidence would seem to suggest that it's women more often claiming habituation of some stripe.

If there's anything bigfooters enjoy, it's being recruited for studies of their psychological problems that induce them to claim to see bigfoots!

No way! You mean some women might be imagining the beast??!

 

[Jodie]

It was the habituators I had in mind, yes, some women are more public about what they think they are experiencing. Many more keep it private that I have spoken with but this seems to be a common trait.

I just thought it was odd and wondered if it was sheer coincidence or if it was some kind of tendency towards victimization. When I believed in bigfoot I never thought bigfoot was some kind of gentle giant, rather the habituators always came off as suffering from Stockholm Syndrome to me. Even then, I questioned why anyone would put up with it.

You find a history of abuse frequently in homes that claim poltergeist activity. Maybe this kind of "woo" is a symptom of PTSD where some people would rather deal with a fictional threat than with reality.

 

[William Parcher]

It was the habituators I had in mind, yes, some women are more public about what they think they are experiencing. Many more keep it private that I have spoken with but this seems to be a common trait.

Actually they are not keeping it private if they told you about it. IMO, habituators want to tell folks about their frequent close interactions with Bigfoot. But they only want to talk to believers or those who won't make them out to be nutcases. They know that they do not have Bigfoots and are intentionally pretending that they do. They get personal benefits by communicating with others about what is going on with their habituation. They want to tell you stories that they made up. They want you to enjoy or be intrigued by these stories. Whether you truly believe them is besides the point as they only want you to act like you believe them. That's the whole point. The Habituator is trying to set up a fantasy game scenario for a group of like-minded people (it can be as few as 1 other) in which you have a storyteller (them) and storylisteners (other Bigfooters).

I would be willing to bet that these people do not interact with their own imaginary Bigfoot in their backyards. IOW, if you set up a hidden camera in these peoples' backyards you would not see them walking outside to talk to, feed, observe, shoo away invisible Bigfoots etc. unless it were in the context of another person (audience).

One great way to perpetuate your habituation lie is to only tell people in private and maybe no more than two at once.

You find a history of abuse frequently in homes that claim poltergeist activity. Maybe this kind of "woo" is a symptom of PTSD where some people would rather deal with a fictional threat than with reality.

I wonder if people who would tell lies about ghosts and Bigfoot might also tell lies about past abuse.

 

[trebor]

<SHOT HIM>
...While we're at it, maybe we should come up with a new name for the Unicorn too? Freshen up its image? Make it more 'fun' to say? Unicorn isn't so plural friendly either. When I finally see a herd of them, I'll want to refer to them properly, right?! Say something a little more 'horsey'? What about an ironic name like Pokey? Or, I got it, Hendersons Horny Horse. I mean, it does look like a horse.

How about Wood Horse?

Hmmm, sounds almost plausible.

 

[RedRatSnake]

They want to tell you stories that they made up. They want you to enjoy or be intrigued by these stories. Whether you truly believe them is besides the point as they only want you to act like you believe them.

This is exactly what I witnessed when I hit the habituators thread on the BFF (Bigot Fundamentalist Forum) at first I went in all cocky asking them for evidence and proof of their story's and got nowhere, then I turned and became somewhat nice in a few different threads they posted in, all the sudden they responded with all kinds of little stories and offerings for me, you are right WP they don't have anything going on and just crave attention.

Tim

 

[Jodie]

I think seeking that kind of attention has deeper roots. I mean seriously, I can think of more positive ways to get attention. Why come to the internet to share knowing even those that believe in bogfoot are going to find it hard to swallow?

 

[Resume]

I think seeking that kind of attention has deeper roots. I mean seriously, I can think of more positive ways to get attention. Why come to the internet to share knowing even those that believe in bogfoot are going to find it hard to swallow?

Some of these habituator types do seem to have deeper issues, though I wouldn't care to do a diagnosis. It's kind of odd that bigfoot enthusiasts constantly carp about not being taken seriously by science, or by society in general, yet their nuttiest constituencies seem to take up the most bandwidth.

Of course they just blame the terrible twin cabal of scientists and skeptics; this way, they don't have to cough up any objective evidence. Still, you'd think they might distance themselves from this stuff.

 

[RedRatSnake]

Of course they just blame the terrible twin cabal of scientists and skeptics; this way, they don't have to cough up any objective evidence. Still, you'd think they might distance themselves from this stuff.

What gets me is that it seems no matter what The Monkey People stick together, despite the clan being so divided in many ways, you have habituators that are clearly whacked and work on their own, you also have those that think Patty is real in all her bulkiness and slow mo ways, then you got the crowd that says BF is a lightning fast wood ninja that can't be caught, there are footers that swear BF has inferred red eyeballs and can pop popcorn with them, we now have Wood Apes although can't be caught they are not anymore intelligent than a normal ape, and now the new and improved human Bigfoot that has yet to be documented, the list goes on and on, it's just so laughable, yet another reason Real Science won't even take a peek at poor Mr Sasquatch.

Tim

 

[Resume]

What gets me is that it seems no matter what The Monkey People stick together, despite the clan being so divided in many ways, you have habituators that are clearly whacked and work on their own, you also have those that think Patty is real in all her bulkiness and slow mo ways, then you got the crowd that says BF is a lightning fast wood ninja that can't be caught, there are footers that swear BF has inferred red eyeballs and can pop popcorn with them, we now have Wood Apes although can't be caught they are not anymore intelligent than a normal ape, and now the new and improved human Bigfoot that has yet to be documented, the list goes on and on, it's just so laughable, yet another reason Real Science won't even take a peek at poor Mr Sasquatch.

Tim

Sorta like the ghost folks: hot spots= ghosts, wait, cold spots = ghosts; ghosts give off "energy", no wait, they use energy; they're incorporeal, no wait, they manifest physical effects.

 

[RedRatSnake]

Sorta like the ghost folks: hot spots= ghosts, wait, cold spots = ghosts; ghosts give off "energy", no wait, they use energy; they're incorporeal, no wait, they manifest physical effects.

Ya just like that, but really really hairy.

Tim ~

 

[jerrywayne]

Actually they are not keeping it private if they told you about it. IMO, habituators want to tell folks about their frequent close interactions with Bigfoot. But they only want to talk to believers or those who won't make them out to be nutcases. They know that they do not have Bigfoots and are intentionally pretending that they do. They get personal benefits by communicating with others about what is going on with their habituation. They want to tell you stories that they made up. They want you to enjoy or be intrigued by these stories. Whether you truly believe them is besides the point as they only want you to act like you believe them. That's the whole point. The Habituator is trying to set up a fantasy game scenario for a group of like-minded people (it can be as few as 1 other) in which you have a storyteller (them) and storylisteners (other Bigfooters).

I would be willing to bet that these people do not interact with their own imaginary Bigfoot in their backyards. IOW, if you set up a hidden camera in these peoples' backyards you would not see them walking outside to talk to, feed, observe, shoo away invisible Bigfoots etc. unless it were in the context of another person (audience).

One great way to perpetuate your habituation lie is to only tell people in private and maybe no more than two at once.



I wonder if people who would tell lies about ghosts and Bigfoot might also tell lies about past abuse.

I tend to agree. These folks have imagined their encounters, not lived or acted them out in hallucinations. They are pretending to have lived such lives. But, the question is: have they convinced themselves? Have they converted their imaginary lives into remembered lives?

Also, considering female habituators: are their imagined bonding more likely with male sasquatch than female; do they spend more pretend time with males instead of females?

 

[Jerrymander]

I was surpised by the number of people (atleast the believers) at the BFF who reject the big bang and evolution.

 

[jerrywayne]

I was surpised by the number of people (atleast the believers) at the BFF who reject the big bang and evolution.

Sort of goes hand in hand with their maverick views of science, which to be charitable, are unconventional, or to be uncharitable, unscientific.

 

[Jodie]

Also, considering female habituators: are their imagined bonding more likely with male sasquatch than female; do they spend more pretend time with males instead of females?

They seem to claim bonding with female sasquatch most often. There is one lady that called her "friend" Chappingwa, but the lady sasquatch moved on after awhile, or possibly died.

Another claimed, not friendship, but reservation as the one she talked to most often was some kind of sasquatch witch. I wouldn't exactly call that bonding.

There is one lady habituator that says she only sees the males. If you check out her facebook page it is covered in photos of primarily herself rather than family photos like most folks have, draw your own conclusions for that one.

The guys that don't claim habituation, but recurrent encounters, usually say the ones they see are male.