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The BFF V The BFRO Forums

bobby o from the BFF threatened me with physical harm once, I did point it out to the mods but since it was against "me" a non beelever they shook it off and the post was removed.

Never got far enough into the BFRO to get threatened, I got banned way before any of them got mad enough at me ~ lol
 
I don't feel too sorry for Kit, though, because either he is oblivious, or he has let by gones be by gones and has reconciled with those that had a hand in covering up who threatened him.
 
Haven't been there in a year or so ~ Ray ~ I have always had respect for you and I am sure things are different with you on the team, At least I hope so ~ LOL

Tim :)

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Maybe that was before the current group of Mods?

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No, maybe it it is related to your ex-cheif admin, your director, and one of the current steering committee members. Try innocently asking about it sometime RayG see what happens to you.
 
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Haven't been there in a year or so ~ Ray ~ I have always had respect for you and I am sure things are different with you on the team, At least I hope so ~ LOL

Tim :)
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I think it was an EOE move, token staff member that happens to be a skeptic.
 
Any move toward a level playing field should be taken as a good move, only time will tell what effect it has. One good thing about the BFF is they have not gone into stealth mode like the BFRO did, you can still read general stuff without being a member.
 
Token staff member? How so? As long as the rules are adhered to, discussion is allowed to ensue.

It's my understanding that one of the reasons I was approached is because of the way I deal with people, not because/in spite of my beliefs.

It's none of my concern why former mods or amins aren't there anymore. I really don't care whether they walked away or were told to pack their bags, it has no bearing on my present position.

RayG
 
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Token staff member? How so? As long as the rules are adhered to, discussion is allowed to ensue.

First order of Bizz ~ Help change this from a guideline to a rule.


"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. On the BFF we accept very little at face value. We may have a tendency to over-analyze claims and be more skeptical than some other forums dedicated to this topic, but we think that is preferable to the alternative."

It's my understanding that one of the reasons I was approached is because of the way I deal with people, not because/in spite of my beliefs.

Keep your eye's peeled on that

It's none of my concern why former mods or amins aren't there anymore. I really don't care whether they walked away or were told to pack their bags, it has no bearing on my present position.

Way to go

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Good luck Ray :)
 
RayG said:
Token staff member? How so? As long as the rules are adhered to, discussion is allowed to ensue.

It's my understanding that one of the reasons I was approached is because of the way I deal with people, not because/in spite of my beliefs.

It's none of my concern why former mods or amins aren't there anymore. I really don't care whether they walked away or were told to pack their bags, it has no bearing on my present position.

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Ray, they always try to have at least one die hard skeptic on staff so that they don't look biased in decision making, usually its just one for looks.

Gee, that was exactly the same thing they said to me too when they asked me to be a moderator. Think about it Ray, do you really have a gift for how you deal with folks on a forum? You aren't bad, I always enjoyed your posts but I would never accuse you of being tactful or diplomatic. Not everyone is a straight shooter like you are.

It's none of your business? I assumed you cared or you wouldn't have asked the question. Sorry if you didn't like the answer but it is what it is.
 
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Now you done it... you've fizzled my shizzle. I thought I was the first die-hard skeptic to reach such a lofty height. I'm racking my brain, but can't recall any card-carrying skeptic holding a similar position there. Certainly wasn't obvious or memorable to me, and I've been a member there from almost the moment it was hatched. Don't keep me in suspense any longer, who was it?

A gift? Hardly. I just think bigfoot can be discussed without things getting personal. I had my fun holding Beckjord's feet in the fire, but now that he's gone, I've mellowed significantly.

Maybe you're right Jodie, and I'm only in there because they want a token skeptic. I don't see how that would serve any useful purpose, but I haven't tried to over-analyze it.

RayG
 
Just my opinion here, but I think RayG being on staff is because he has displayed over a significant amount of time that he can make calm, rational decisions. He seems to separate emotion from the situation - which is kinda hard to find anymore. Not b/c he is a "skeptic". Could be wrong, I have been many a time.
 
Well I just remember the discussions we had after we lost a bunch of mods and they were wanting a skeptic. HRP and the other admins said they wanted to have at least one to present a more balanced front. It matters so that the staff will be less likely to be accused of being biased towards proponents.

I liked MikeG because he was educated and a true skeptic so I suggested him before I left. The skeptics tend to put a "woah" on shenanigans historically so if you see anything going south, which I doubt you will now unless HRP returns, you are the designated whistle blower.

Either way, you will do a fine job Ray.
 
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RayG, by all marks you have some of the most well thought out and educational posts on the BFF going way back. I think your selection as a mod was appropriate and by what I can see as a member your "mod statements" have been spot on and even handed.

Regarding whether skeptics should be represented on staff of the BFF... absolutely. From PM's with staff members it seems they do discuss individual cases and sometimes will hand off a case to someone else if they've "gone at it" in the threads with a particular member. Having a variety of points of view on staff is a good and balanced approach.

Regarding the BFRO, that was the first dedicated BF forum I joined. However, there isn't very much action (posts) over there and threads tend to be closed after a short while, so it is difficult to develop an ongoing discussion without it getting shut down. In this regard the BFF is hands down a leader as far as that goes, some of the threads (like the Ketchum thread) are extensive.

The BFF has a wide range of opinions and topics. The BFRO..... not so much. Okay, the BFRO forum sucks.
 
I've never participated in a discussion at the BFRO but have been an active participant at the BFF for many years. Despite my obvious "there's no bigfoot" stance, I've been asked many times to serve as a moderator at the BFF - something I don't think would ever happen at the BFRO. It's one of the reasons that I continue to participate at the BFF: There is, at least, the opportunity for skeptical opinions to be expressed and while some of the members bristle when they read them, the mods have consistently allowed such comments from me to remain in those threads.

It is possible for a true fence-sitting newbie to visit the BFF, encounter some of my stuff (not just mine, of course), and come away with a better way to critically evaluate bigfooty claims. I think that's important because a naiive newbie interested in learning about bigfoot is going to find the BFF long before stumbling onto the JREF.
 
Shrike, I was a skeptic on BFF, though I didn't post much. I was in on the Parnassus and Bigfoot Bookstore guy fiasco, which eventually added to the crash of BFF1.

I read many of your posts, and even though I was already a skeptic, you helped me figure out stuff I couldn't connect until then. So, you are a big influence over there (and here, of course), and a much-needed voice of reason.
 
Thanks Sonny. Yes, the point is that there are and have been multiple prominent "voices of reason" over there. Here on the JREF, we tend to call out the abject woo nonsense that gets promoted there - and rightly so - but the place IS different than the other bigfoot woo-factories in that skeptics are to some degree tolerated.
 
Thing is ! How many times can one point out the flaws in the footer logic, the lack of prints around the Skookum cast, foot prints that all the sudden start and then lead to nowhere, Lack of bones, pictures, difference between how BF bends a tree and the wind, etc, etc. It just gets so boring day after day, same ole thread different name.
All along knowing that the animal is a Myth and a giant hoax, At least here we can dig for the truth about how these hoaxes are being manufactured not worrying about hurting the Monkey and the Money.
 
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Thing is ! How many times can one point out the flaws in the footer logic, the lack of prints around the Skookum cast, foot prints that all the sudden start and then lead to no wear, Lack of bones, pictures, difference between how BF bends a tree and the wind, etc, etc. It just gets so boring day after day, same ole thread different name.
All along knowing that the animal is a Myth and a giant hoax, At least here we can dig for the truth about how these hoaxes are being manufactured not worrying about hurting the Monkey and the Money.
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That explains the lack of bigfoot sightings at Payless.
 
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