Cont: The behaviour of US police officers - part 2

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Dr. Keith said:
How would the cops ever see the footage?

Do they routinely have access to other forms of evidence for jokey fun reasons?
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I note again that there are something like 18,000 independent police and sheriffs' departments in the U.S. It's very hard to make reliable generalizations. But it wouldn't surprise me at all if there are some depts. where cops have access to their videos.
 
Bob001 said:
I note again that there are something like 18,000 independent police and sheriffs' departments in the U.S. It's very hard to make reliable generalizations. But it wouldn't surprise me at all if there are some depts. where cops have access to their videos.
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No wonder our conviction rates suck.
 
I was watching an Audit the Audit video the other day, and it was a case where the cops pull a guy over for DWB (driving while black). They pull him out of the car and go through all the searches and IIRC bring in a dog who "indicated" drugs. so they went through and searched the car.

It was all on bodycam, and they were like, "Why do you have this attitude?" at the guy, and "Why do you hate the police so much?" and "What did the police ever do to you?" (um, you are soaking in it right now, you moron) They warn him, "This is being recording on bodycam so everyone will be able to see your attitude."

Of course, everyone could see his attitude, which, in fact, wasn't all that bad. No, he wasn't kissing their ass, but they had just stopped him for no reason and found an excuse to search his car. Of course he was bitter, but he kept his cool. Meanwhile, they are all like, "Stop giving this attitude" (you could almost hear him end with "....boy")

So after all that and their boasting about how the bodycam is going to make him look bad, it endup up that they were the ones who got in trouble after the guy filed a complaint,

They are just oblivious to what they are doing. Bodycam or no, they are oblivious.
 
pgwenthold said:
I was watching an Audit the Audit video the other day, and it was a case where the cops pull a guy over for DWB (driving while black). They pull him out of the car and go through all the searches and IIRC bring in a dog who "indicated" drugs. so they went through and searched the car.

It was all on bodycam, and they were like, "Why do you have this attitude?" at the guy, and "Why do you hate the police so much?" and "What did the police ever do to you?" (um, you are soaking in it right now, you moron) They warn him, "This is being recording on bodycam so everyone will be able to see your attitude."

Of course, everyone could see his attitude, which, in fact, wasn't all that bad. No, he wasn't kissing their ass, but they had just stopped him for no reason and found an excuse to search his car. Of course he was bitter, but he kept his cool. Meanwhile, they are all like, "Stop giving this attitude" (you could almost hear him end with "....boy")

So after all that and their boasting about how the bodycam is going to make him look bad, it endup up that they were the ones who got in trouble after the guy filed a complaint,

They are just oblivious to what they are doing. Bodycam or no, they are oblivious.
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Anything short of "yes, sir, please do whatever you want even if it sends me to the hospital" is considered by cops to be a bad attitude.
 
Lawsuit claims Alabama man froze to death in police custody, was ‘likely’ placed in jail freezer


WALKER COUNTY, Ala. (WIAT) – The mother of Anthony “Tony” Mitchell, a Walker County, Alabama man who died in police custody in January, has filed a federal lawsuit against multiple jail officials, including Sheriff Nick Smith, alleging that authorities deprived the man of his constitutional rights by leaving him in the jail’s walk-in freezer “or similar frigid environment” for hours.

“This is one of the most appalling cases of jail abuse the country has seen,” the 37-page federal lawsuit, seen at the bottom of this story, begins. “On the night of January 25 to January 26, 2023, Anthony Don Mitchell (“Tony”) froze to death while incarcerated at the Walker County Jail.”

The case, lawyers for the family wrote in the complaint, “raises an appalling question: how does a man literally freeze to death while incarcerated in a modern, climate-controlled jail, in the custody and care of corrections officers?”

The suit alleges that Mitchell was “likely… placed in a restraint chair in the jail kitchen’s walk-in freezer or similar frigid environment and left there for hours.”
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The newly filed lawsuit also includes quotes from notes included in Mitchell’s medical records written by an ER doctor after the Walker County man was transported to a local hospital the day of his death.

“I am not sure what circumstances the patient was held in incarceration but it is difficult to understand a rectal temperature of 72° F 22° centigrade while someone is incarcerated in jail,” the doctor’s notes read, according the federal lawsuit. “The cause of his hypothermia is not clear. It is possible he had an underlying medical condition resulting in hypothermia. I do not know if he could have been exposed to a cold environment. I do believe that hypothermia was the ultimate cause of his death.”
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Since someone is bound to say it, I'll say it: It's cold-blooded murder. But it's not funny.
 
Shreveport, Louisiana, police officer arrested in fatal shooting of Alonzo Bagley, police say

CNN video report

Very much NSFW body cam video from the murderer officer involved in the shooting can be found in this Reddit thread

Split-second, point blank shooting coming around a blind corner. Literally anyone standing in that doorway would have been shot by this officer.

Also, as someone on Reddit remarked: "one of my worst fears is dying and having some ******* idiot over me screaming NONONONONO or whatever, I just want to think about my wife and family while I go."
 
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erlando said:
Paulding County police officer body-slams innocent man, sheriff's office claims "resisting" was the reason

This happened a year ago. The video was released yesterday. Now GBI is investigating because of "public outcry".

Tyler Canaris is charged with obstructing a law enforcement officer. He was not the guy they were looking for.
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What a nice, polite way of saying you brutalized someone from the officer's report:

"I escorted him to the ground so as to better control him."

Sounds like a garden party.
 
What a surprise: Cops lie when they think they can get away with it.
A Washington Post analysis of seven high-profile cases in which people died after use of force by police officers — from the fatal injury of Freddie Gray in police custody in 2015 to the death of Nichols last month — found a familiar pattern: The initial police version of events was misleading, incomplete or wrong, with the first accounts consistently in conflict with the full set of facts once they finally emerged.

In cases where the police are later accused of excessive and unwarranted use of force, the first draft of history is almost always written in part by those same officers, who often portray the police in flattering ways and the alleged suspect in less flattering ones.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/02/17/police-shootings-false-misleading/
 
A man is alleging that officers in Mississippi entered a home without a warrant, waterboarded the people there, then put a gun in his mouth and shot him.

Now, these are only allegations...that seem very easy to prove or disprove.

Also, a family is suing after an office was cleared for fatally shooting a man who was just picking up his brother from school. The video of this one is damning, yet the prosecutor cleared the cop. How are they going to protect the cop from retaliation now? It's just staggering that more of these murderers aren't then killed in revenge. Those denied justice often seek vengeance.
 
I note that the Supreme Court just upheld, on the basis of "qualified immunity," the right of the police to arrest someone for making fun of them. He was, fortunately acquitted, but the judgment means there is no bar to them doing it again, whenever they feel like it.

It really is getting that bad!
 
bruto said:
I note that the Supreme Court just upheld, on the basis of "qualified immunity," the right of the police to arrest someone for making fun of them. He was, fortunately acquitted, but the judgment means there is no bar to them doing it again, whenever they feel like it.

It really is getting that bad!
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1st Amendment! 1st Amendment! 1st Amendment!


Yeah, that right-wing BS has been pretty obviously part of their war on the 1st Amendment for a while, now.
 
bruto said:
I note that the Supreme Court just upheld, on the basis of "qualified immunity," the right of the police to arrest someone for making fun of them. He was, fortunately acquitted, but the judgment means there is no bar to them doing it again, whenever they feel like it.

It really is getting that bad!
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Next is making contempt of cop a capital offen.... Oh wait...
 
We non-Americans often hear how black people have to have 'the talk' with their children about the police. From recent cases it appears that it is also important for white parents to have 'the talk' with their children. It appears being white doesn't protect you from being detained for no cause and killed for 'resisting arrest'.

If there are US parents here have you had 'the talk' with your children?
 
Planigale said:
We non-Americans often hear how black people have to have 'the talk' with their children about the police. From recent cases it appears that it is also important for white parents to have 'the talk' with their children. It appears being white doesn't protect you from being detained for no cause and killed for 'resisting arrest'.

If there are US parents here have you had 'the talk' with your children?
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Well they 100% need to if any of their kids have mental health issues. Reading one of the cases Tyr linked, we not only need to keep our hands in plain sight at all times, obey conflicting instructions given to us simultaneously, make no sudden movements, now we can add: taking a pill in front of a cop is now apparently grounds to be slammed to the ground and murdered. I mean he doesn't know maybe it was a magical super strength murder pill!

ETA: the main talk is never ever call police on anyone you aren't willing to die.
 
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And all police interactions: "I don't answer questions."

Don't know if it would have stopped the killing in this example, but it seems to me that the longer the interaction with a cop, the more of a chance something will happen to set them off. And if they say "I'll arrest you for obstruction", then say "That would be a false charge, as not answering questions is not the same as 'preventing you from doing your duty' and I or my parents would sue you and the city for every penny you have. By all means, arrest me and make me a millionaire."
 
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bignickel said:
And all police interactions: "I don't answer questions."

Don't know if it would have stopped the killing in this example, but it seems to me that the longer the interaction with a cop, the more of a chance something will happen to set them off. And if they say "I'll arrest you for obstruction", then say "That would be a false charge, as not answering questions is not the same as 'preventing you from doing your duty' and I or my parents would sue you and the city for every penny you have. By all means, arrest me and make me a millionaire."
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I have never heard of a case where a cop, in the USA, was himself civilly liable for any damages.... qualified immunity baby. So, that won't really strike any fear in his heart. Hell, its a great way for him to get a few weeks of paid leave if anything.
 
You're right. Amend to "Sue the city for every penny it has".
Although I've heard of a few cases where the court threw out the "QI" defense, and the case proceeded through the courts. But the cop on the scene is probably going to assume QI will protect him.

(Tangent: Remember all those cop shows and movies where the Chief is reading the riot act to our hero cop because all of the untold amounts of property damage? Seems reality is quite different, as IRL, the city never wants to pay out for cop-caused damages.
https://reason.com/2021/03/05/swat-...fugitive-city-refuses-to-pay-fifth-amendment/
Update movie scene:
Chief: "You destroyed 3 cars and 2 houses, totaling $3 million dollars in damages!"
Cop: "And?"
Chief: "And it was all worth it because you caught the jaywalker! And the city won't pay a dime for any of it. Keep up the good work!")
 
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