Thermal
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"...toss a knife in this mother ******* hand and grease him.
Wait, was this thing still on?"
Cont: The behaviour of US police officers - part 2
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"...toss a knife in this mother ******* hand and grease him.
Wait, was this thing still on?"
tyr_13
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Displaying consciousness of guilt.
Agree. Haven't put any thought into this really but ya.
For the record I have peed with a GoPro on my chest and one on my head and saw nothing in the video that would be a privacy issue. And like you said, too bad anyways.
Maybe cop cams are different but GoPros freak out sometimes and you have to shut them down or even remove the battery to reset them. Sometimes I get a corrupt video file due to it getting hot.
I wonder where they put the batteries? GoPros last an hour when recording. I use an external battery too but it's bulky. I'll have to look up these cop cams.
My understanding, which is limited, is that police body cameras should NEVER be turned off. Or intentionally obscured.
Yeah there is battery life but don't think it's common. And there are cams in the cop car so if you can get somebody in one, either witness or suspect, there shouldn't be a need to turn off the body cam.
bruto
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Probably so, but I can see some possibly reasonable exceptions here. But there's no reason why that event, too, should not be closely regulated. It's really not hard to say what you're doing, and while the practice might be unfamiliar to many cops,I don't think it's all that hard to be truthful.
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Often the civilian can't even hear the orders to begin with as the stress of the situation can trigger auditory exclusion.
If the cops are trained in such a way as to be afraid when they are dealing with citizenry, they could suffer from auditory exclusion as well, so they wouldn't hear instructions from other officers. Instead of being trained to be calm and take control of the situation many departments train their offers to be afraid because they could die any time. This piss poor training is a major factor in the rampant bad decision making on the part of so many officers.
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They could record video of other people in the washroom and distribute the video around the station...
This is a good point, in my opinion. There's a big shortage of officers in urban areas because they're fleeing for the quiet suburbs with better pay. So urban areas are stuck with the leftovers.
So what's the solution? Not sure but I think it would have to be with education, at minimum 4 year college degree. And a huge entry-level pay increase, but that won't be cheap. So, crime is bad but willing to pay more the next 10 years on your property taxes?
Thermal
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You must use more exotic washrooms than I. Mine are pretty much views of guy's backs standing at urinals and washing their hands and stuff.
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Not all officers are male so it wouldn't just be video of the mens washroom, and even in the mens washroom many people would object to being videoed even from behind as they urinated.
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I'm not sure that the urban officers are any better trained though, and most 4 year degrees still wouldn't cover practical day-to-day aspects of police-work. Anyway here is a good video explaining some of the issues, including the issue that most officers just don't want to do things differently
Thermal
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Ok, but I am still skeptical that such footage would be passed around the station. It ain't but so interesting, even in the ladies room. It's not like they are having lingerie pillow fights in there.
If we trust police with killing and arrest powers, is it really a bridge too far to trust that they won't circulate lacivious scenes of stall doors opening and closing? The individual police have no means of accessing footage anyway; they just wear the recording devices and turn them in.
But all this is kind of a red herring. 90% of a cops day is driving around or sitting in their cars. Just turning the recording on when interacting with civilians should suffice, and severe penalties when turned off without adequate explanation, and criminal charges if a suspect is injured when the device deactivated.
Blue Mountain
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I wonder what the fallout would be if the "off" switch on body cams was a "delayed off" that kept recording for another three minutes?
smartcooky
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Yep.. its called spoliation of evidence, and it is a serious crime which should be automatically career ending for any member of Law Enforcement or Judiciary.... but of course this is America.
Gulliver Foyle
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Gardaí can't turn off their Tetra radios during break. Ni can't see how it could be different for bodycams (not that I'm all too gone on bodycams in the first place)
Dave Rogers
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Based on recent cases of officers tweeting crime scene photos, yes, apparently it is.
Dave
The Axon Bodycam 3, the standard police use, says 12 hour battery life.
https://www.axon.com/products/axon-body-3
How would the cops ever see the footage?
Do they routinely have access to other forms of evidence for jokey fun reasons?
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