Cont: The behaviour of US police officers - part 2

[Delphic Oracle]

Also the problem is if you get a civil win against a police force you're probably just getting the money from either a municipal budget or some kind of insurance.

Like can you really sue a Police Force or do you have to just sort of by default sue to town itself on any functional level?

So Officer Cropsky fires 38 warning shots into the back of a wheelchair bound black thalidomide baby and gets sued for 80 million dollars, what the odds that the town's school or roads or fire department or social services are going to eat that cost while the police force gets funding for more AR-15s and tanks to hand out traffic tickets?

Here's an idea. Start taking the money out of officer pension funds.

This is part of why I think making the FOP pay the settlements and representation costs would be a very rudimentary "carrots-and-sticks" part of comprehensive reform.

Every cop would look at bad behavior by their coworkers as impacting the size of their retirement pension payouts.

Wouldn't it be nice if they were pulling a 'Serpico' on the bad apples? If the criminal sympathizers in uniforms were seen as the threat rather than the incorruptible idealists?

 

[Disbelief]

Median salary in the US is around $1000 a week. So you're double in the hole for each week you're in prison. Then when you get out you have an enormous debt. And as an ex-convict you might not be able to get a $1000 a week job anytime soon.

This just reinforces my belief that rehabilitation is very, very low on the list in the US. It's all about revenge and keeping people down.

It's all abut punishment and not rehabilitation. It's laws like this that help make recidivism so high.

 

[gnome]

It's all abut punishment and not rehabilitation. It's laws like this that help make recidivism so high.

So in a sense, we're making future crime victims suffer in order to satisfy a feeling of revenge.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

California Highway Patrol smothered a man to death when he resisted a DUI related blood draw:

As five officers pin him to the ground, Bronstein begins screaming as they work to take blood from his arm.

Bronstein screams “I can’t breathe” at least eight times as officers continue to forcibly restrain him. He can also be heard calling for help. After roughly two minutes, Bronstein goes silent, and what appears to be a medical staffer checks his pulse and injects him with something. The staffer and the officers spend several minutes watching Bronstein, at times calling out to him and gently slapping his face.

Several minutes later, one officer is heard saying, “Is he breathing? If he’s got a pulse and he’s not breathing, he still needs rescue, bro. Get some air in him.” The medical staffer begins using a small bellows-type device to force air into Bronstein’s mouth. A couple minutes after that the staffer begins chest compressions, and officers are seen preparing a defibrillator when the video ends.

https://laist.com/news/criminal-justice/video-shows-chp-officers-restrain-man-who-died-after-screaming-i-cant-breathe

The video is available here: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/pwn419uy03km1rb/AAB6IpDABF4Ykc5hLrkdPKuna?dl=0&preview=(Under+Seal)+103789.MTS Warning, it's exactly as graphic as you might expect. The video shows the panicked and handcuffed man being held face down while cops repeatedly ignore his complaints of being unable to breathe. His breathing becomes more belabored as the man becomes obviously more distressed until he finally loses consciousness and eventually stops breathing.

Another police killing via prolonged, face-down restraint, something that has been known to be highly dangerous for decades.

One officer says, “this is your last opportunity. Otherwise you’re going face down on the mat and we’re gonna keep on going.” A few seconds later they start to force Bronstein face down on the mat, at which point he starts repeating, “I’ll do it willingly.” An officer is heard saying, “It’s too late.”

Comply or die, the American way!

 

[gnome]

Wait, under what circumstances can they physically force a blood draw? I had understood that you can refuse, but that under some circumstances refusal can be considered against you.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Wait, under what circumstances can they physically force a blood draw? I had understood that you can refuse, but that under some circumstances refusal can be considered against you.

Usually blood draws require a warrant, which isn't that hard if there's other evidence to suspect a DUI.

 

[bluesjnr]

California Highway Patrol smothered a man to death when he resisted a DUI related blood draw:



https://laist.com/news/criminal-justice/video-shows-chp-officers-restrain-man-who-died-after-screaming-i-cant-breathe

The video is available here: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/pwn419uy03km1rb/AAB6IpDABF4Ykc5hLrkdPKuna?dl=0&preview=(Under+Seal)+103789.MTS Warning, it's exactly as graphic as you might expect. The video shows the panicked and handcuffed man being held face down while cops repeatedly ignore his complaints of being unable to breathe. His breathing becomes more belabored as the man becomes obviously more distressed until he finally loses consciousness and eventually stops breathing.

Another police killing via prolonged, face-down restraint, something that has been known to be highly dangerous for decades.



Comply or die, the American way!

Is it just me or do others think the "medic" guy is somewhat slow moving throughout the entire debacle adding to the time the guy is under the dog pile and to the time taken to attempt resus.

 

[Dr. Keith]

Is it just me or do others think the "medic" guy is somewhat slow moving throughout the entire debacle adding to the time the guy is under the dog pile and to the time taken to attempt resus.

You don’t move quickly around so many deadly animals. That’s zookeeper 101.

 

[bruto]

Yikes. I didn't get very far into it. At the point where the cop has his knee on the man's neck, and he's screaming "I'll do it I'll do it..." and someone says "It's too late" it's basically over.

I mean, Jesus H. Christ, how can any cop still think it's OK to put his knee on someone's neck?

 

[erlando]

California Highway Patrol smothered a man to death when he resisted a DUI related blood draw:



https://laist.com/news/criminal-justice/video-shows-chp-officers-restrain-man-who-died-after-screaming-i-cant-breathe

The coroner’s report said the cause of death was “acute methamphetamine intoxication during restraint by law enforcement.” While noting that “a review of the circumstances and surveillance footage, indicate a temporal relationship between the restraint and cardiac arrest,” the report said "due to absence of autopsy findings of asphyxia or fatal trauma, and the presence of methamphetamine, the role of the restraint could not be definitively … assessed in contributing to death. Therefore the manner of death is undetermined.”

Isn't this almost the exact thing they said about George Floyd?

 

[The Don]

Yikes. I didn't get very far into it. At the point where the cop has his knee on the man's neck, and he's screaming "I'll do it I'll do it..." and someone says "It's too late" it's basically over.

I mean, Jesus H. Christ, how can any cop still think it's OK to put his knee on someone's neck?

IMO there's no thinking going on. Instead they are just responding to their training, their desire for compliance at all costs, and the fear of the public which has been drummed into them.

 

[Babbylonian]

Isn't this almost the exact thing they said about George Floyd?

Yup. Coroners are just like the rest of our government cogs: They all want to keep the cops happy and distorting the truth in their favor is easy.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Isn't this almost the exact thing they said about George Floyd?

It's the standard response. A perfectly healthy person should have been able to survive the dangerous thing we did to someone.

Sure, there's video evidence of multiple cops ignoring an unambigious cry for help that indicates a medical emergency, but it's ultimately the victim's fault for being intoxicated/asthmatic/obese/"excited delirium/etc

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Starting to think electing a cop to mayor of the country's biggest city was a mistake guys

“If your iPhone can’t catch that picture with you being at a safe distance, then you need to upgrade your iPhone. Stop being on top of my police officers while they’re carrying out their jobs. That is not acceptable & it won’t be tolerated”:
@NYCMayor
⁩ re public recording cops

https://twitter.com/chayesmatthew/status/1504099400762675200

The proliferation of cell phone cameras is arguably why the modern police accountability movement even exists. Cops keep getting filmed committing abuse by uninvolved passerbys with phone cameras.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Georgia cops smell marijuana, search a house party, find less than an ounce, and mass arrest 70 people present. All charges dropped shortly after and city sued for illegal arrest.

Federal civil rights lawsuit going to cost the city $900,000.

https://www.ajc.com/news/crime/police-to-pay-cartersville-70-members-900k-to-settle-federal-lawsuit/6TOMFPFSZZHRRIDBJMNFQNS4CM/

Many of those arrested on drug charges filed a federal lawsuit in 2019 claiming their constitutional rights were violated when officers, who said they smelled marijuana, entered the Cain Drive home that day and detained everyone attending a birthday party. Those arrested were humiliated when they were forced to undergo strip searches at the jail, the lawsuit stated.

“Visitors, some as young as 17 years old, were ordered to remove all of their clothing in front of two or more deputies, bend over at the waist, spread their buttocks with their hands, and cough multiple times,” the lawsuit states. “Male visitors were further ordered to lift their genitals. Once the search was over, some visitors were allowed to wear the clothes they were arrested in, while others were given jail uniforms.”

 

[Shadowdweller]

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[gnome]

An old one, but the follow-up was not widely reported.

Miami Herald: Florida OKs $4.5 million payout for brutal prison shower death of Darren Rainey

The family of Darren Rainey, the 50-year-old schizophrenic inmate whose barbaric shower death led to sweeping reforms in the Florida prison system, has settled a civil rights lawsuit against the state of Florida and others for $4.5 million, the Miami Herald has learned.

I wasn't expecting this one to be as influential. Still disappointed no charges. Can anyone tell whether the DA got re-elected?

 

[bluesjnr]

An old one, but the follow-up was not widely reported.

Miami Herald: Florida OKs $4.5 million payout for brutal prison shower death of Darren Rainey



I wasn't expecting this one to be as influential. Still disappointed no charges. Can anyone tell whether the DA got re-elected?

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[Planigale]

Is it just me or do others think the "medic" guy is somewhat slow moving throughout the entire debacle adding to the time the guy is under the dog pile and to the time taken to attempt resus.

Yes clearly doesn't know what to do. So focussed on getting a non-vital blood test that he lets the man die. also you never keep someone unconscious sitting up; you lay them flat.

It is ABC.

Airway, - as soon as he became non-responsive he should have been rolled on his back, had a jaw lift and if non-responsive had an airway inserted to protect the airway. The latter never happened.

Breathing - is he breathing? If not do rescue breathing, this happened too late, and certainly the medic had to be prompted into doing it. The device used is a disposable ambubag. The lack of oxygen mentioned is not an issue.

Circulation - check the pulse. The oximeter was clearly documenting inadequate circulation and oxygen. Start chest compression.

Then there is D. There was little reason to delay putting on the defibrillator, it records an ECG and helps clarify if the heart is working normally. Since methamphetamine toxicity is cardiac, then it is likely the primary cause of death was a drug induced cardiac rhythm problem and early use of the AED may have been life saving.

The CPR - chest compression resuscitation was also badly done, stopping too quickly and often. If there was any doubt should have given the narcan, it does no harm if there is no opiate overdosage and may be life saving if there is.

All over the medic failed to take charge, and was incompetent.Clearly forgot his primary responsibility was to his 'patient'.

 

[bruto]

I would suggest that if the "medic" did not intervene the moment the cop put his knee on the victim's neck, his incompetence was established, and the rest was simply a continuation. Everyone in the room should be fired.