Cont: The behaviour of US police officers - part 2

[erlando]

Video Shows Moment Dallas Fire-Rescue Employee Kicks Man in the Face

Dallas firefighter trained in martial arts detains man, kicks man in the face while he's sitting on the ground, follows up with punches. Police reponds by tazing the man.

 

[shemp]

Cops respond to fight outside football game that escalated to gunfire by showing up and shooting 4 people, killing an 8 year old girl.

4 of the 5 people wounded by gunfire at the fight were shot by police.



https://apnews.com/article/sports-football-philadelphia-high-school-football-501c6c7cff721057b1aeb895186ed8d2

Protecting and serving by opening fire into a crowd. #ThinBlueLine

No need to be concerned. They will get a big slap on the wrist and a sternly worded letter, and will be made to promise not to do it again. Oh, and a raise.

 

[tyr_13]

Video Shows Moment Dallas Fire-Rescue Employee Kicks Man in the Face

Dallas firefighter trained in martial arts detains man, kicks man in the face while he's sitting on the ground, follows up with punches. Police reponds by tazing the man.

I mean, the police also responded by lying to the media about it.

 

[autumn1971]

Cops respond to fight outside football game that escalated to gunfire by showing up and shooting 4 people, killing an 8 year old girl.

4 of the 5 people wounded by gunfire at the fight were shot by police.



https://apnews.com/article/sports-football-philadelphia-high-school-football-501c6c7cff721057b1aeb895186ed8d2

Protecting and serving by opening fire into a crowd. #ThinBlueLine

So the gang-bangers these days have better target identification skills than the cops.
Safer to be near a gang fight than a police officer.

Nice

ETA: meant better to be in a gang shoot-out without any police nearby than to have a cop nearby during a shootout

 

[Andy_Ross]

Cops respond to fight outside football game that escalated to gunfire by showing up and shooting 4 people, killing an 8 year old girl.

4 of the 5 people wounded by gunfire at the fight were shot by police.



https://apnews.com/article/sports-football-philadelphia-high-school-football-501c6c7cff721057b1aeb895186ed8d2

Protecting and serving by opening fire into a crowd. #ThinBlueLine

Maybe one for the "Mass Shooting' thread.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Sherriff ending million dollar security contract with local community college because of deputy ties to extremist III%er groups. The sheriff has publicly refused to investigate right wing extremist infiltration of his police force.

Solano County Sheriff Tom Ferrara withdrew from a security contract with the Solano Community College District after the college president raised concerns about some of his deputies apparently showing support for the Three Percenter anti-government militia group, according to email records obtained through a public records request.

College President Celia Esposito-Noy raised the concerns following an investigative report in February that revealed that two sergeants and a deputy had openly displayed support for the Three Percenter movement on social media. Ferrara has declined to investigate those deputies, saying they told him they only intended to show support for the Second Amendment.

The college is currently working on developing its own campus security. Withdrawing will cost the sheriff’s office budget nearly $1 million per year when the contract expires at the end of 2021. Ferrara and Esposito-Noy did not respond to interview requests.

https://www.vallejosun.com/sheriff-dropped-community-college-contract-after-confrontation-over-three-percenter-support/

 

[Andy_Ross]

A million dollars a year? What were they providing? a company of Marines?

 

[Delphic Oracle]

I'm wondering why a college has to pay a sheriff's office to do what a sheriff's office is there to do in the first place?

Sounds a lot like a mob "protection" racket.

 

[bonzombiekitty]

I'm wondering why a college has to pay a sheriff's office to do what a sheriff's office is there to do in the first place?

Sounds a lot like a mob "protection" racket.

A lot of colleges are essentially their own little towns. Others have enough money and population to warrant the school spending their own money to get additional officers that the local government may otherwise be unable to afford.

Heck, here in Philadelphia a couple of the universities have their own police force they use to supplement the local police.

 

[Andy_Ross]

If I remember right we have a member here who is or was a college campus cop.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Police officers convicted of rape, murder and other serious crimes are collecting tens of millions of dollars during retirement

CNN: https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2021/09/us/police-pensions-invs/

 

[Darat]

Police officers convicted of rape, murder and other serious crimes are collecting tens of millions of dollars during retirement

CNN: https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2021/09/us/police-pensions-invs/

Over here that is why you usually hear an official has “resigned” rather than being sacked, it’s often a way for them to keep their benefits no matter what they’ve done.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Over here that is why you usually hear an official has “resigned” rather than being sacked, it’s often a way for them to keep their benefits no matter what they’ve done.

Police Unions are probably the strongest Unions in America.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Police Unions are probably the strongest Unions in America.

This is true, and the difficulty in firing bad cops is a testament to the power of a well organized union.

But I generally think far too much emphasis for the problem of police unaccountability is placed at the feet of the police unions. Unions often make it difficult to fire petty offenders on the force and that can lead to a culture of corruption and malfeasance, but the problem of police using excessive force is, first and foremost, a criminal matter that supersedes any union contract.

The fact that examples of criminal behavior is often treated as simply a HR dispute is a big part of the problem of our unaccountable police. Excessive force is not just breaking policy that should be fireable, but often a criminal violation of civil rights that can and should be prosecuted. The fact that many DAs are extremely reluctant to actually do their duty and prosecute criminal cops is a much larger issue than any iron-clad union agreement.

I don't mean to strawman you here Joe, your comment merely reminded me of this gripe.

 

[lobosrul5]

This is true, and the difficulty in firing bad cops is a testament to the power of a well organized union.

But I generally think far too much emphasis for the problem of police unaccountability is placed at the feet of the police unions. Unions often make it difficult to fire petty offenders on the force and that can lead to a culture of corruption and malfeasance, but the problem of police using excessive force is, first and foremost, a criminal matter that supersedes any union contract.

The fact that examples of criminal behavior is often treated as simply a HR dispute is a big part of the problem of our unaccountable police. Excessive force is not just breaking policy that should be fireable, but often a criminal violation of civil rights that can and should be prosecuted. The fact that many DAs are extremely reluctant to actually do their duty and prosecute criminal cops is a much larger issue than any iron-clad union agreement.

I don't mean to strawman you here Joe, your comment merely reminded me of this gripe.

Underlined happened here and essentially the police told our DA to **** off, we aren't cooperating, and you're own your as far as security goes:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/albertsamaha/how-an-albuquerque-da-took-on-her-own-police-department-and

Its not just the union that's the problem, that's more of a symptom. Its the whole "blue wall" thing where they will not cooperate on investigations of their fellow officer even if its another police force. I've actually talked to a cop about the problem and its sort of like they think since they're taking risks that "civilians" aren't that they should have special privileges, or be forgiven when they screw up, or that they're really doing the community a favor when they bust a few heads cause by and large those people are guilty of something anyways.

 

[deadrose]

Police officers convicted of rape, murder and other serious crimes are collecting tens of millions of dollars during retirement

CNN: https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2021/09/us/police-pensions-invs/

There was a particularly ugly case of that in my hometown back in the 90's. A deputy was sexually abusing his stepdaughter, got caught, and got a disability pension on the grounds of his diagnosis as a sexual deviant. https://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/Deputy-who-turned-in-her-officer-husband-felt-1191362.php

 

[TurkeysGhost]

There was a particularly ugly case of that in my hometown back in the 90's. A deputy was sexually abusing his stepdaughter, got caught, and got a disability pension on the grounds of his diagnosis as a sexual deviant. https://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/Deputy-who-turned-in-her-officer-husband-felt-1191362.php

The cop that shot and killed a sobbing, begging man on his hands and knees in a hotel hallway is drawing disability pay for PTSD related to his decision to commit murder, which he was acquitted of.

Cops will murder you and get paid in perpetuity because they're sad about it.

Brailsford's lawyer has said that Brailsford suffered PTSD due to his shooting of Shaver and the resultant criminal trial. The reinstatement allowed Brailsford to apply for "accidental disability" suffered during the course of work. As a result, Brailsford was unanimously approved to be retired on medical grounds. Brailsford was also given a pension of $2,500 per month. The fact that Brailsford was ultimately medically retired instead of remaining fired was only revealed to the public in July 2019.[3][4][38] According to a pay stub attached to Brailsford's bankruptcy file, he has been working for a steel company in Glendale, Arizona.[39]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Daniel_Shaver

 

[TurkeysGhost]

High speed police chase of a shoplifter ends with crash that kills uninvolved bystander.

https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2021/09/sheriffs-deputies-chased-theft-suspect-who-crashed-into-another-car-killing-the-driver-in-clackamas-county.html

The suspect was suspected of stealing a tool set from a discount shop. Perfectly good reason to endanger the public in a police chase through the streets.

 

[lobosrul5]

The cop that shot and killed a sobbing, begging man on his hands and knees in a hotel hallway is drawing disability pay for PTSD related to his decision to commit murder, which he was acquitted of.

Cops will murder you and get paid in perpetuity because they're sad about it.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Daniel_Shaver

Because they say they're sad about it.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Whoopsie, more cops outed as being part of extremist anti-government militias.

Oath Keepers Data Leak Reveals Active NYC Police Officers as Members of Far-Right Militia

https://www.newsweek.com/oath-keepers-data-leak-reveals-active-nyc-police-officers-members-far-right-militia-1634356

Cops and Klan, hand in hand