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The All Purpose Jill Stein Thread

Suddenly said:
Their situations are hardly identical. Trump has a public profile so all his warts are out there to see, where Stein is still completely obscure and has no track record of running much more than her failed political campaigns.
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Fair enough, then allow me to rephrase:

Suddenly said:
.... If Stein were to be examined to the same extent that Hillary has been examined, I'd bet that Stein would come off at least as bad as Hillary...
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Perhaps, but on what basis do you make that assertion? What 'warts' in particular? Would someone be making speeches about how Jill Stein murdered her son? What would that speech look like in her case?
 
Suddenly said:
Pretty much the point I was making exactly. I'm afraid if I were to dig into her past the same I did with Michael Badnarik in 2004, the results would be somewhat similar. Probably not as bad this time as Badnarik was a true dumpster fire, but who knows.
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You certainly don't. You're just making wild assertions devoid of evidence.
 
stanfr said:
Perhaps, but on what basis do you make that assertion? What 'warts' in particular? Would someone be making speeches about how Jill Stein murdered her son? What would that speech look like in her case?
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Like I said, decades long campaign of disinformation. Anyone claiming that Stein murdered someone would have at least as much basis in fact as that claim.


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Suddenly said:
If Stein were to be examined to the same extent that Hillary has been examined, I'd bet that Stein would come off at least as bad as Hillary.
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Really? Does Jill Stein have a long criminal history that we have yet to hear about? Is she frequently under investigation by the FBI? And has she taken any $675,000 bribes from Goldman Sachs, that are just waiting to be revealed?

And if so, can't we just summarily dismiss her crimes as inconsequential and trivial acts of "extremely careless" behavior, to quote FBI Director James Comey?
 
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wareyin said:
Like I said, decades long campaign of disinformation. Anyone claiming that Stein murdered someone would have at least as much basis in fact as that claim.


eta:This post also applies to the following post, of which not one accusation is true
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Well, the quote of "extremely careless" is absolutely true.
I would completely agree with you that her lack of extensive political record might make it more challenging to make up political dirt about Stein--but that's not the point, the point is: what might that dirt be? It's pretty clear what it is in Clinton's case.
 
As somewhat of an aside, I have to admit I find it amusing that skeptics here are bashing Stein for her wishy-washy remarks on vaccination/homeopathy (and I agree, she deserves criticism--but not condemnation--for that) yet, not one person has mentioned that she is a self-professed agnostic. You'd think that would win some points from this group. Strange world we live in...
 
I think age has a lot to do with it.

My son and I were both Bernie supporters and now that he's out of the race, my son is voting for Stein while I will (sadly) cast my vote for Hillary.

I think young people have more idealism and sincere desire to change the status quo - whereas older folks are more pragmatic - and more frightened of a Trump win. I sort of envy the idealism of youth. I just have to do everything I can to keep Trump out.
 
stanfr said:
As somewhat of an aside, I have to admit I find it amusing that skeptics here are bashing Stein for her wishy-washy remarks on vaccination/homeopathy (and I agree, she deserves criticism--but not condemnation--for that) yet, not one person has mentioned that she is a self-professed agnostic. You'd think that would win some points from this group. Strange world we live in...
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So?
 
stanfr said:
As somewhat of an aside, I have to admit I find it amusing that skeptics here are bashing Stein for her wishy-washy remarks on vaccination/homeopathy (and I agree, she deserves criticism--but not condemnation--for that) yet, not one person has mentioned that she is a self-professed agnostic. You'd think that would win some points from this group. Strange world we live in...
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Skeptic Ginger said:
So?
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stanfr said:
So what?
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Exactly.
 
I'm a Bernie supporter turned Hillary supporter. I'm not terribly familiar with Jill.

Other than not being Hillary, why should I change my mind on who to vote for?
 
The Fallen Serpent said:
I'm a Bernie supporter turned Hillary supporter. I'm not terribly familiar with Jill.

Other than not being Hillary, why should I change my mind on who to vote for?
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Im in the same position, cept im leaning Green. I don't have the link handy, but supposedly Stein matches Bernie on 99% of issues, whereas with Hillary it is 91%
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Yeah, so what? Is being agnostic supposed to override bad science?
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Care to giver me a quote where Stein says "vaccines cause autism" or "homeopathy works" I would like to see them, since I am still undecided. Thanks.
 
Faydra said:
I think age has a lot to do with it.

My son and I were both Bernie supporters and now that he's out of the race, my son is voting for Stein while I will (sadly) cast my vote for Hillary.

I think young people have more idealism and sincere desire to change the status quo - whereas older folks are more pragmatic - and more frightened of a Trump win. I sort of envy the idealism of youth. I just have to do everything I can to keep Trump out.
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I feel your pain. Which is why ranked voting should be instituted. I will wait to the last minute to see how close it is in my state, cause even if it is unlikely that one vote will make a difference, I wont take any chances.
 
stanfr said:
Care to giver me a quote where Stein says "vaccines cause autism" or "homeopathy works" I would like to see them, since I am still undecided. Thanks.
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There's a fallacy here, false dichotomy I believe. I do not need to give you evidence of something for which I did not claim.

I said her understanding of the vaccine recommendation process was seriously flawed. Her beliefs about vaccines border on conspiracy theory level. If you are going to claim the FDA is owned by big pharma, you need more than a theory to back that up.
 
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