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HotDogBun said:Firstly, I sought nobodies approval to make this post. I hope in the name of fairness it is not deleted, but rather replied to.
Russell Pickering, and the entire loose change forum membership:
Not wanting the situation to be misrepresented by mr pickering, i will give you a brief summary of this weekends events.
Mr pickering violated Invision's terms of use, #3.1, sections B and L. After Lenghty debate i suspended mr pickering for his violation (as did a few other people, at the same time) in order to prevent this rules violation from jeopardizing this forum. Furthermore after being suspended, admins ( i was only a mod ) Banned mr pickering. This was to prevent him from acting out his threats of revealing another members personal information thru invisions forum or PM system on this board. Mr pickerings suspension and ban had abcolutely NOTHING to do with his opinions regarding his pentagon research or anyone elses pentagon research. For example, Myself being the person who initially suspended him, I have no solid belief regarding what happened at the pentagon. What he may represent as the reason for his suspension and banning are in fact NON FACTORS in those decisions.
During the process of debating mr pickering's fate, many memebrs of the LC forum staff made SEVERAL attempts to contact the board's owner, dylan avery, whom neglected to respond to requests for his input for several days. Please note he was able to come online and post in the 'south park tackles 9/11" thread during this time but chose to ignore the staff. As a result, the decision was made to remove mr pickering from the board in an attempt to prevent the board from possibly being shut down by Invision. Apparently, this made mr avery very, very angry.
What followed was mr. avery de-modding myself, and de-adminning 2 admins, only one of which was directly involved with removing mr pickering. This was accompanied by a message to the staff from mr avery which was regarded by all of us as One Gigantic Insult. Also, mr pickering was made an admin, which is a ringing endorsement of mr. pickerings threats against another member. Again, the staff of the LC forum pleaded with mr avery for audience, and none was given... altho mr avery continued to post in the "south park 9/11" thread.
Frustrated by the uniformed and reckless decisions of mr avery, pretty much all of the active staff of mods and admins that used to keep this board free of trolls and other undesirable attackers have resigned. These people's contributions to mr avery's forum, from research, organization, and day to day maintenence, have gone completely unnoticed and unthanked by mr avery himself. It may not be obvious to regular members of this forum, but Hours and hours of work, research, support, and advertising have been supplied by these staff members. They were the glue that held this forum together. They are now gone. Furthermore the victim of mr pickerings threats has reported in great detail the nature of his threats to Invision, and furthermore mr avery;s action demonstrates that he condones and endorses these obvious violations of invisions rules.
The result? This forum now has next to no staff, and i am sure upon logging in the remaining staff will see what has occured and also resign. The impact this will have on the forum will not be a positive one, as we are under constant attack from all sorts of troublemakers who will now proceed unfettered. Furthermore, Given the nature of the events and the direct violation of invisions TOS by the owner of the forum himself, it is likely that invision will be taking serious corrective action, perhaps removing this forum altogether.
My apologies for any spelling mistakes, i am a horrible typist, and this post was made with great haste. I feel given Mr pickerings recent misrepresentation of what has occured, that you the members of this forum deserved to be informed of actual events.
regardless of the outcome of this, please keep searching for the truth. If you are new here, please don;t take this as a representation of our movement. Every group has bad apples, every person makes horrible mistakes. Here on the LC forums, these two things have combined with disatrous results.
-HDB
batmanchester said:well, ok, then.
now we've gone and starting an infight amonst ourselves.
people leaving, new people coming and seeing this ********, and the truth gets put on hold.
don't stop researching what ever you do, people.
don't let this keep you from questioning what you're being spoon fed from the corporate media.
infighting occurs in every organization in the world, and this one is not immune, so please try to keep this in the context of what it is, an ADMIN infight.
perhaps we should take a second look at a post that's up on the "stickie" board that i wrote entitled "Godspeed and Good Luck".
HotDogBun said:Actually, all of the active mods/admins were in agreement on our actions regarding Mr pickering. There was no discord amongst the staff. This is solely the product of dylan avery's actions and lack of action in regards to this matter.infighting occurs in every organization in the world, and this one is not immune, so please try to keep this in the context of what it is, an ADMIN infight.
Oceans Flow said:Sad that this is happening. I hope we can get through it somewhat smoothly.
Braheem said:here here and many people resigned as mod/admin including myself
bart said:Are you testing us on the numerous disinfo techniques used in your post? Is this just a joke? If not, who do you think you're fooling?
BoneZ said:This is not an admin infight. This is all the admins/mods agreeing that Russel Pickering needed to be banned and DYLAN reversed that decision because he's the "owner of this forum and what he says goes." And this isn't the first time Dylan has done this. Dylan does not communicate with his staff. Dylan has overturned many rulings by the staff here and the staff is fed up. On top of that, not only are Russel's threats against Invision policy and LC Forum rules, it's against the law and the staff will not be a part of it.
This is a Dylan Avery fight, has nothing to do with the rest of the staff here.
Most of us have gone to Pilots for Truth forum until the forums open up at 9/11 Mysteries. Then we will be at both places.
BoneZ said:This is not a joke and there's no fooling.Are you testing us on the numerous disinfo techniques used in your post? Is this just a joke? If not, who do you think you're fooling?
BoneZ said:This thread was to let the LC members know as to why we resigned and what's going on behind closed doors. I'm still awaiting my de-modding.
Daniels said:I myself am in the process of unregistering from this forum.
Dylan Avery, until now one of my heroes, has no idea how to consult his staff.
And I wont stand by while agents posing as dedicated truthers, ie Russell Pickering, hijack the forum and misdirect people.
Get ready everyone. This forum is about to become a gatekeeper forum, a place where sincere people come and are "put on hold" or offended away.
Alread, great, admired staff members have become so fed up that they have resigned. That leaves a great opening for the agents to fill their places.
All the best everyone.
Keep pushing for the Truth to come out.
Sincerely
Daniels
stallion4 said:Well, well, well...
I agree 100 per cent with Dylan's decision on this one. Keep up the good work!
And Dylan if you need a new Mod let me know. I'd be happy to help out.
HotDogBun, IMO you should tone yourself down a wee bit. We don't want others to think we're not credible... lol. Inside joke y'all. HDB knows what I'm talking about, don't ya, son?
bLaKmAjIk said:Yeah, I'm Done here for a while. Nice being with ya.
bLaKmAjIk said:not reallyYeah, I'm Done here for a while. Nice being with ya.
slick said:Edit nm
This post has been edited by slick on Oct 16 2006, 12:57 AM
stallion4 said:I know a thing or two about a thing or two. whistlingb.gifHotDogBun, IMO you should tone yourself down a wee bit. We don't want others to think we're not credible... lol. Inside joke y'all. HDB knows what I'm talking about, don't ya, son?
Very easy to say considering you don't know the full details.
Anyway, keep up the good job Mr. Dylan Avery. Don't let these hacks get ya down.
nevermind said:Guys! Stop getting all mad just because you don't always have the last say in a matter, this is Dylans forum he should defend it in the way he thinks best. Just like he should make the film in the way he feels best. There is a reason he is the owner and director of loose change and YOU are NOT!
All you guys that are saying that mr pickering is just infiltrating to try and get this place closed down, i really think you should look closer to home on this one because you lot are really not helping the issue, in my opinion this forum was taken over a while back and its just in the process of being fu***d over right now!!
You have choices in life and your choice here is to help the movement or not to help and from what i can see it looks like you chose the latter.....
This post has been edited by nevermind on Oct 16 2006, 12:59 AM
slick said:Hacks? If it wasnt for us, this forum would be in the dumps.HotDogBun, IMO you should tone yourself down a wee bit. We don't want others to think we're not credible... lol. Inside joke y'all. HDB knows what I'm talking about, don't ya, son?
Very easy to say considering you don't know the full details.
I know a thing or two about a thing or two. whistlingb.gif
Anyway, keep up the good job Mr. Dylan Avery. Don't let these hacks get ya down.
See ya later smile.gif
bart said:I do not have enough information to form a solid opinion of this whole situation on my own based upon HotDogBun's post. He is trying to explain a situation to us out of anger rather than present us with the facts. Who is this Pickering guy and what is right/wrong about what he did and the events that followed? In no way do I condone anything he could have done that may have been wrong. I have no way of telling because I have not seen it. What I do know is that the thread starter here has gone about this all wrong and broke some forum rules himself, namely the part that explains disinfo and being disruptive.
BoneZ said:How about reading everything before you post. Russel violated Invision Free's rules, LC forum rules and the law, by making threats against another member. That is why Russel was banned and Dylan brought him back. By this, Dylan is saying it's ok to illegally threaten another member on his forum.
This has been reported to Invision by another member and we'll let them take care of it now.
Slick said:Let me clear something up, Myself and a few others arent resigning only because of russell, it is because of Dylan.
JerryB9105 said:My two cents.
Once anyone accepts a level of responsibility then they should act accordingly. What that translates to is professionalism above all other things. If there is reason to question the boss then do so in private -- NEVER in the open.
And if you truly can not work out indivdiual differences then perhaps you should seriously consider handing over the reins of your position. But never do so in anger, do so with the best interest of the forum as your concern.
This type of thing should not be aired to the general public -- reason I urged that Admin business be kept behind closed doors // this is not the kind of disruption the forum needs to witness. It looks as if all the leadership is abandoning ship. Falling apart from within. That appearance is only because it has been aired in the open for all to see.
Please reconsider your action and remember WHY you took the position in the first place. It was to support this forum. If you consider leaving the forum as support then I have to question the real reason(s) you took the position in the first place.
Loyalty to the boss is always important. Address comments to him or her but don't raise the window and shout out your grievances so the neighbors can hear. It's truly none of their business.
Just calm down, let a day go by, you guys work out the problems between yourselves and Avery and if you still feel like leaving. Then that's entirely another matter. You will be missed for sure.
nevermind said:If it wasn't for dylan this forum would NOT be here.Hacks? If it wasnt for us, this forum would be in the dumps.
See ya later smile.gif
BoneZ said:This post is not disruptive and there's nothing disinfo about it. This post was posted in the "Lounge" section which means any topic can be posted. There's no disinfo because there are those of us that are confirming HDB's post.What I do know is that the thread starter here has gone about this all wrong and broke some forum rules himself, namely the part that explains disinfo and being disruptive.
slick said:Look guys, Im not able to give the entire full story, but if I could, im sure many of you would be a bit more understanding. Let's just say, we all wouldnt just resign for no reason.
This thread was probably a bad idea since many of the members here have no idea what was going on behind the scenes.
This post has been edited by slick on Oct 16 2006, 01:08 AM
BoneZ said:That's the whole problem Jerry, Dylan DOESN'T communicate with us and doesn't care about our opinions and doesn't care about the members of this forum. That is why it was brought into the public eye.
nevermind said:I read that he violated the rules but it seems like you are just trying to blow this whole thing out of proportion, this forum will not get closed down just because of that, do you have any idea how invision would actually go about following up on complaints? You obviously don't.How about reading everything before you post. Russel violated Invision Free's rules, LC forum rules and the law, by making threats against another member. That is why Russel was banned and Dylan brought him back. By this, Dylan is saying it's ok to illegally threaten another member on his forum.
This has been reported to Invision by another member and we'll let them take care of it now.
In my opinion if any mods her have any respect for this forum left this thread should be moved to a mod only area and be dealt with there. This isnt good for the movement, no wonder dylan wanted to demod you.
Ross11988 said:God did none of you see Dave Von Kliest say tat if we all formed together and stop fighting we would be a f*cken brick wall. God almight this is the crap that is dividing us and causing us not to suceed.
slick said:Im going to move this thread while im still a mod, too many know-it-alls are coming here with no idea of what is actually happening. This isnt just about russel pickering.. this is about DYLAN AVERY. If you guys had any idea what he has said, you might not be so quick to defend it.
This post has been edited by slick on Oct 16 2006, 01:15 AM
nevermind said:Yeah why is he making another silly film for us all to watch when he could be on this forum arguing because that would be alot more constructive..... rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gifThat's the whole problem Jerry, Dylan DOESN'T communicate with us and doesn't care about our opinions and doesn't care about the members of this forum. That is why it was brought into the public eye.
BoneZ said:Dylan is the only one doing the dividing at the moment. All mods/admin have been in agreement on everything done in this forum. Then Dylan comes along and f*cks it all up. You can thank Dylan for the mess, not all of the rest of us.God did none of you see Dave Von Kliest say tat if we all formed together and stop fighting we would be a f*cken brick wall. God almight this is the crap that is dividing us and causing us not to suceed.
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