The 9/11 Conspiracy Facts

It was a bold face lie by the Administration when they stated that "no one could imagine" which is why I suspect he used Executive Privilege to try to hamper the Congressional Inquiry.

This is one of the things I've found interesting. The context of this statement. It certainly was imagined, to some extent. And I believe preventative measures were being taken. But how could they have known the exact nature of the threat in order to enact measures that would have prevented 9/11? As always, hindsight is 20/20. In the meant time I'm kinda glad I live in a World where the mere threat of an attack does not mean a complete shutdown of the entire system. In some ways it's as if the CT's are proponents of the Government enacting marshall law on the people at the mere threat of an attack. "The terrorists have threatened a chemical attack on LA, so everyone is to remain in their homes, we will be along shortly to issue everyone masks" "The terrorists have threatened to hijack planes, so we are shutting down the entire Eastern seaboard to domestic travel until the threat has been assessed" Isn't this what this amounts to?
 
What are you talking about?

Simple.

We know that 9/11 occured.

We also know why and how.

Since we know NOW, we should've known THEN.

Simple.

Or at least it's simple in Swing's mind. I happen to think that hindsight is one of the stupidest ways to argue something.
 
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,295943,00.html

Here ya go, Swing. This was just posted to the fox news website. Given the information in the story, you should have NO problem figuring out if this warning is legit, where it will happen, who will be involved, when it will happen, how it will happen and what will happen, in order for you to stop them. Don't worry about why it will happen...we already know that part.

Good luck and Godspeed.
 
Simple.

We know that 9/11 occured.

We also know why and how.

Since we know NOW, we should've known THEN.

Simple.

Or at least it's simple in Swing's mind. I happen to think that hindsight is one of the stupidest ways to argue something.
I know that, I was asking "what are you talking about" for clarification because it came across in the way you replied to me, by quoting my sig, that you was attacking me and what I'd posted not Swing. That's why I also clarified what I was asking Swing just in case you had misinterpreted it.
 
Yeah that's a good point beachnut … Swing since you are so good at filtering out all the valid threats received, amongst the hundreds received each year (possibly thousands), why don't you offer your services to the intelligence community so we can prevent these attacks from happening in the future instead of just sitting there at your keyboard and blaming people.

The intelligence community warned the Administration. It was up to the Administration to be proactive in their response. They weren't. They ignored the warnings. Hence, IMHO, the need to exert executive privilege to hamper the joint inquiry into discovering what they knew prior to 9/11 and why Rice lied about it. No need to apologize. This is what the Administration is known for.

You are displaying the 20/20 hindsight "I know everything and would have seen it coming, it was obvious!" attitude that is common amongst conspiracy theorists.

Hindsight? It is now a historical fact. It is an historical fact that the other than the color of their underwear, they knew OBL was planning on crashing airplanes into skyscrapers.
Swing I'm not questioning the validity of the reports you posted (they are real) but what I am saying is that it's easy in hindsight to connect all the dots and say it was obvious.Yes George Tenet agreed but not as you think, the intelligence community had felt for some time prior to 9/11 that an attack was imminent, the system was indeed blinking red and it was only a question of time. After all Bin Laden had stated on many occasions in the years prior to 9/11 that he was determined to attack the US. But they had nothing tangible to go on, to say they knew an attack was coming in exactly the same way it happened on 9/11 is ridiculous.
You have a great way of ignoring the historical record of warnings the IC gave to the president.
Someone with so much evidence, enough to get a Pulitzer Prize like you, who knows everything, did not warn me, did not warn the nation, did not make the security check better.What is your problem, why did you keep this a secret if you know so much now? So did Clinton refuse with Bush to talk? Who do you blame? I blame you! You knew UBL was out to do these things, at least you say so now.
Beach I'm only repeating what the Administration was told by the IC. You should be directing your frustration towards the Administration.
Who do you blame with all your non facts?
Please see the Report of the Joint Congressional Inquiry Into The Terrorist Attacks Of September 11 and the historical record for these non-facts.
You are blaming everyone in the country who could stop it?
:lolsign: Yeah that's what I'm doing Beach. All 300 million U.S. citizens. Head on back to your jet fuel that turns white at altitude.:seroflmao:
why you do not have a Pulitzer Prize, cause the only person who even comes close to 9/11 pre warning is Tom Clancy,
Are you calling George Tenet and the IC a bunch of liars? Never mind, I know the answer.
But how could they have known the exact nature of the threat in order to enact measures that would have prevented 9/11?
Report of the Joint Congressional Inquiry Into The Terrorist Attacks Of September 11 and the historical record for the exact nature of the threats. You may also want to examine John Dean, a White House counsel under Nixon analysis of the threats:here.

It's blatantly obvious many conspiracy theorists display an anti-government agenda, that's why virtually every major terrorist event, at some point, has been blamed on the government (OKC, 1993 WTC Bombing etc).

HAAAACHOOO!
 
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,295943,00.html

Here ya go, Swing. This was just posted to the fox news website. Given the information in the story, you should have NO problem figuring out if this warning is legit, where it will happen, who will be involved, when it will happen, how it will happen and what will happen, in order for you to stop them. Don't worry about why it will happen...we already know that part.

Good luck and Godspeed.

Proactive is much better than reactive, isn't it? ;)
 
You have a great way of ignoring the historical record of warnings the IC gave to the president.
I'm not ignoring anything Swing, show me the warning that was received prior to 9/11 that was ignored by the government and should have lead to the apprehension of the terrorists and prevented the attacks from taking place.
 
Swing, the very fact you know about these warnings is because they were not ignored by the intelligence agencies. At no point did they end up in the shredder.

They were all considered serious and looked into by the law enforcement agencies as best they could, given the information they had and the volume of reports coming in. At the time the August 6th memo was presented to President Bush there were approximately 70 ongoing Bin Laden related investigations underway at the FBI.
 
Since the topic has begun to drift into personal attacks and inneundos, I will accept:
1. You have no retort left, or
2. You feel that hindsight is an excuse for an Administration that did nothing. We can agree to disagree on that issue, or,
3. You have begun to realize the IC did provide specific warnings about the means and methods of OBL but for some reason can't bring yourself to accept that the Administration did nothing, and why they would choose to do nothing.

The best retort I've read is the Administration did do something but the wrong thing. The fact is the FBI and the CIA were already involved with investigations and surveillance although I'm unaware if these were ongoing prior to Bush taking office.. Then again, this is perhaps why this story was reported upon:
Supposedly, just after a CIA briefer presents President Bush the later infamous PDB (Presidential Daily Briefing) entitled “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US”(see August 6, 2001), Bush tells the briefer, “You’ve covered your ass, now.” This account is according to journalist Ron Suskind, whose 2006 book “The One Percent Doctrine”And, at an eyeball-to-eyeball intelligence briefing during this urgent summer, George W. Bush seems to have made the wrong choice. He looked hard at the panicked CIA briefer. ‘All right,’ he said. ‘You’ve covered your ass.

MJD1982, please move on to your next point.
 
Swing, the very fact you know about these warnings is because they were not ignored by the intelligence agencies. At no point did they end up in the shredder.


I never stated they were ignored by the intelligence agencies. No need to try to state otherwise.

You bring up an interesting point about the shredder though...perhaps that is why the Bush Administration wanted to keep them from the public eye via executive privilege.
 
Since the topic has begun to drift into personal attacks and inneundos, I will accept:
1. You have no retort left, or
2. You feel that hindsight is an excuse for an Administration that did nothing. We can agree to disagree on that issue, or,
3. You have begun to realize the IC did provide specific warnings about the means and methods of OBL but for some reason can't bring yourself to accept that the Administration did nothing, and why they would choose to do nothing.

The best retort I've read is the Administration did do something but the wrong thing. The fact is the FBI and the CIA were already involved with investigations and surveillance although I'm unaware if these were ongoing prior to Bush taking office.. Then again, this is perhaps why this story was reported upon:


MJD1982, please move on to your next point.
I will except that it's all hindsight on your part. Let's move on!
 
So then we are really back to the context of that quote then. It would appear that this would be part of the semantics of what was said. We didn't know exactly what was going to happen. We knew what could happen, out of the many, many, many possiblibilities, but we didn't know exactly what was going to happen. So yah, maybe Bush and Condi are sitting there with their pants down, you know, one of these "Well why did this have to happen on my watch?" kinda things. The question is, would that briefing has contained information and a plan to put into place inm August something to prevent 9/11? I don't think so. Was there a cover up of sorts in regards to this memo? Seems likely. Is there any way that this briefing would have stood out then in the same way it has since 9/11? Nope. So what's the point of this then? To try and point fingers after the fact. Damn straight. I'm not a big fan of Bush, but for all his failings this seems to minor in the grand scheme of things.

And to be fair, you and I know Bush isn't exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer, so unless that briefing was a "POP UP" book, with pictures showing the Twins and planes flying into them (on those little slide tabs you pull back and forth) he wasn't going to understand it anyways.
 
Since the topic has begun to drift into personal attacks and inneundos, I will accept:
1. You have no retort left, or
2. You feel that hindsight is an excuse for an Administration that did nothing. We can agree to disagree on that issue, or,
3. You have begun to realize the IC did provide specific warnings about the means and methods of OBL but for some reason can't bring yourself to accept that the Administration did nothing, and why they would choose to do nothing.

The best retort I've read is the Administration did do something but the wrong thing. The fact is the FBI and the CIA were already involved with investigations and surveillance although I'm unaware if these were ongoing prior to Bush taking office.. Then again, this is perhaps why this story was reported upon:


MJD1982, please move on to your next point.

Once again you are using hindsight to prove your point. It is correct to say that the right things to do, to stop the attacks were not done. That is hindsight. The fact is there was no way to know what the "right" things were BEFORE the attacks. It is an out and out lie to say "nothing was done". We know that when he was briefed, Bush was told that there were 70 ongoing investigations into the matter. Many (if not most) people would have come to the same conclusion that this was sufficient, especially since these warnings had been going on for years without taking place. Once again, you have shown exactly one warning that combined hijacked planes and crashing them into buildings. There were also warnings about crashing explosive filled (presumably non-hijacked) planes into airports, but this didn't happen. We know now which of the two was accurate beacause of...say it with me...HINDSIGHT.

It is not an excuse. It is an explanation. All three of your points are incorrect.

By the way, you never did tell me the proactive steps you attempted to stop that murder last night. It happened just like I said it would. Did you do anything? You had a warning that was even more specific than the one you tout about 9/11 so why would you do chose to do nothing as you have accused the Bush administration?
 
SD, everyone is correct. You are basing your opinion purely on hindsight. Being proactive like you claim would have been next to impossible. The doors would not have been in place in time. It takes more than a week just to manufacture the door. Then there is delivery, distribution, pulling the aircraft out of service, installation and training. You have yet to provide any proof that the American public would have tolerated the inconvenience and expense of the added security measure purely based on a threat. The airlines would not have gone through the HUGE expense of installing the door and training the pilots because of a threat that may or most likely not happen. Of course, you're going to say it did happen. However, prior to 9/11 nothing like that had happened in the US. So there was no precedent or historical facts to support the likelihood of the threats being carried out. So your entire argument for proactive action is baseless.
 
Once again you are using hindsight to prove your point. It is correct to say that the right things to do, to stop the attacks were not done. That is hindsight. The fact is there was no way to know what the "right" things were BEFORE the attacks.

Billdave, what did the Administration do to ensure the safety and security of the American public in the face of the increasing specific warnings provided to the President with regards to hijackings and aircraft used as weapons?

Or can you provide a statement or statments by the Administration explaining to the American public what he did to ensure the safety and security of the American people in regards to air travel?

Or can you provide me examples of the Administration lying about what they knew and covering up what they knew prior to the attacks?

Then feel free to speculate why they might want to keep this information from the public eye?


By the way, you never did tell me the proactive steps you attempted to stop that murder last night.
As a victim of murder, I would appreciate you ending this erroneous fallacy. If you chose not to, I will end civil discussion with you via the ignore button.
 
Swing:
What do you think? Should we have locked up everyone that could have been a threat? That would be proactive wouldn't it?
 

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