The 9/11 Conspiracy Facts

mjd1982 said:
Buddy, I have not ducked 1 post in 2500, dont think I will yours.

The police did go to Russia to investigate the Litvinenko case, which has caused a diplomatic brouhaha. However, you cannot equate this to going to the US to implicate the US gov in killing 3000 of their own people.
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so therefore thay would have no problem going anywhere to see if they could find out that FT or the PA were involved in a cover up about the power down and are using this to harrass an employee

is implicating putin (by your standards) any less of a problem than implicating FT or PA? or god help us mr bush?

this would be less or more brouhaha? you tell me

you intimated that they would not travel abroad for an investigation like this when it is quite plain they would and have done in the past

well answered but ultimately wrong again

2. are we correct to assume that we can disregard the official record being wiped as you have no proof of this?
 
mjd1982 said:
Buddy, I have not ducked 1 post in 2500, dont think I will yours.
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Well, I loved your "sensible" responses to #2487, #2488, #2491 and #2502. Of course I'm leaving out #2491 & #2494. Yeah, we now know that you're going to move the goal posts and say
I have not ducked 1 sensible post in 2500
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I would love to read your excuse as to why the first set of posts I listed are not "sensible."
 
mjd1982 said:
See #493. Oh... Ok, I will address your post anyway!
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Ok, UC, you win.
Lol, well, unless you can explain the 4 points listed in #750, which none of your ilk have even dared try, then you will see the facts about such evidence a little clearer, I daresay.
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Yet our "ilk" answering that post led to the whole argument on whether the claim that OBL was offered to us was credible or not. Of course there's posts #757, #764, etc. that also deal with post #750. So, in light of this dishonesty, we are supposed to take your word at face value because?:boggled:
 
mjd1982 said:
Because it will make it happen quicker and easier. As the PNAC doc says. Please dont start arguing with that now.
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Oh, I will.

You've been shown AGAIN and AGAIN that "quicker" and "easier" are not synonyms, and that they do not necessarily follow one another.

And you've said your self that It'll take a long time to implement whatever the scenario., which means that it won't be really "quicker", will it ?

You're contradicting yourself.
 
mjd1982 said:
You have no understanding of what "humour" is. You apparently think that it is just belly laughs. This may well be because you are simple. I am willing to excuse this; you maybe can do little about it. I will not, however, excuse the fact that you are lazy
http://www.visual-memory.co.uk/amk/doc/0051.html
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/clockwork_orange/about.php
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Yes, I understand humor in all of its many forms. What you don't seem to understand is that the common thread is always, inescapably, AMUSEMENT.

Clockwork is not (except, of course, among the ignorant, morally undeveloped teenage boy set), nor was it intended to be, amusing on any level The juxtapositions and incongruities that simpletons like yourself dismiss as dark humor are, in fact, dripping with symbolism and have serious intent. The film is a severe parable, rich in metaphors. And they're not there for the viewer's amusement, genius. They're all completely loaded.

Clockwork is a satire. That you equate this with "Clockwork is humor for a moral purpose" speaks to a dim, uneducated, juvenile mindset.

Try reading serious reviews and criticism of the film if you'd like to learn. Posting links to insipid websites like "rotten tomatoes", or one review from 35 years ago that stands in contrast to just about every other one out there, does not impress.

Educate yourself, young man. You'll be less inclined to make a horse's ass out of yourself.

P.S. Since you apparently haven't the slightest clue as to what constitutes dark humor, rent Kubrick's "Dr. Strangelove". That should help.
 
mjd1982 said:
Except they would be indicting themselves with their employers, who is not Bush.

Pretty simple, no?
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Let's try this again. Of the 10,000 people affected by this supposed power-down, we can guess that in the neighborhood of 8,000 are democrats. Of these 8,000, it is a safe assumption that a significant percentage are rabid in their hatred for George Bush. They would undoubtedly go to great lengths to see his head on a platter.

Since corroborating Scott's story might potentially be a step in this direction, it is inconceivable that they would ALL choose to remain silent. Contrary to your nonsensical assertion, they would in no way be indicting themselves or their employers. This is a vacuous fantasy, contrived by a very, very simple mind in a desperate attempt to explain away the unexplainable.
 
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BillyRay. Remember that mjd is not American. It's obvious that his view of Americans is that we are all so greedy and cowardly that nobody would risk losing their job, thus losing cash flow, to expose this "cover up." There was somebody named Tojo that believed that a long time ago and look what happened. In mjd's fantasy world, only a Brit has the courage to speak up about it.
 
Brainache said:
It's a very basic level of inference.

All the major Truth sites are involved in merchandising.

All the major Truth sites routinely ban any skeptics who threaten their market share.

People like Alex Jones, David Ray Griffin, the Loose Change boys, Pilots for Truth, CIT, 911 Mysteries etc etc etc are all marketing at least one product. It is all they do. Not one of them has ever done anything to bring about a new investigation or whatever. They are too busy with all the viral marketing.
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If the truth was all they wanted, there would be absolutely no reason to hold back evidence until the movie comes out.
 
So Mjd are you turning this evidence over to the New York Attorney General? Or just how you gonna get the investigation started? Through the United Nations? How about French intel? Meanwhile, the truther movement will be selling more dvds and shirts and who knows what else.
 
MIKILLINI said:
So Mjd are you turning this evidence over to the New York Attorney General? Or just how you gonna get the investigation started? Through the United Nations? How about French intel? Meanwhile, the truther movement will be selling more dvds and shirts and who knows what else.
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Collectible figurines.
 
Jim I need your avatar dogbert to cast out the very image UC and you mentioned. I don't believe therapy will work. Hmmm...on second thought, Hayek therapy is the answer!

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Belz..I'm not spamming, therapy is required.;)
 
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Brainache said:
It's a very basic level of inference.

All the major Truth sites are involved in merchandising.

All the major Truth sites routinely ban any skeptics who threaten their market share.

People like Alex Jones, David Ray Griffin, the Loose Change boys, Pilots for Truth, CIT, 911 Mysteries etc etc etc are all marketing at least one product. It is all they do. Not one of them has ever done anything to bring about a new investigation or whatever. They are too busy with all the viral marketing.
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Oh, so inference is admissible to debate when you want it, is that right?

Aside from that hypocrisy, all you have done is show that figures in the movement are selling stuff. You have to make the connection betweem this, and your assertion that the TM is "driven by financial gain". You wont.
 
twinstead said:
How's this for a conspiracy: the truth movement, in general, is a burgeoning industry. The last thing they would ever want is an actual new investigation that may settle things once and for all.

As soon as those very few members who actually honestly want a new investigation and are serious about finding the truth realize this, the better off they'll be. Perhaps then we'll actually get some of this 'incontrovertible' evidence given to law enforcement agencies or major world media outlets.
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mjd1982 said:
Go back to #750, and see how many of the 1750 posts since have addressed post #750.

If you can't, you can either keep on squirming, or you can apologise. Its your choice.
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funk de fino said:
so therefore thay would have no problem going anywhere to see if they could find out that FT or the PA were involved in a cover up about the power down and are using this to harrass an employee

is implicating putin (by your standards) any less of a problem than implicating FT or PA? or god help us mr bush?

this would be less or more brouhaha? you tell me

you intimated that they would not travel abroad for an investigation like this when it is quite plain they would and have done in the past

well answered but ultimately wrong again

2. are we correct to assume that we can disregard the official record being wiped as you have no proof of this?
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I never said they would not travel. Implicating Putin for killing 1 russian is a million miles away from implicatin Bush in killing 3000 US. This should be obvious.
 
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