The 9/11 Conspiracy Facts

Lol, the power down happened to them. They have not come out and refuted any allegations that have been made against them which imply that they were thus party to anything nefarious happening that weekend.
In the main reading room of the New York Public Library, a woman stood up, approached me where I was sitting, and shouted that I was responsible for the Holocaust. I did not refute her allegation. Therefore I am party to the nefarious Nazi persecution, imprisonment, torture, and murder of millions of people.

Or is your logic stupendously flawed?
 
#1- If you and I are aware of them, you think his employers of at least 6 years will not be?
#2- He has stated that he is being hassled by them to keep quiet.

I'm sorry, but with posts like the above, what else do you expect? You know what the facts are, you know that FT will be aware of what he has said (if you are not stupid), and you must know that he is being hassled, hence why he isnt coming out and telling everyone his story as he otherwise might. I have met him, I have relayed all this to you. So why do you continue playing silly buggers if you are interested in the facts? Leave that to the other clowns on this thread

Right. So the Met are going to go to the US and uncover the 911 plot. What planet do you live on? How could such an occurrence ever be possible?

???
I just gave you the answer, worthless though it is. What the hell are you talking about?

No, I said it has been scrubbed from the official record, according to Scott. I cannot recall the record he was talking about; my statement may be taken at face value then.

(sigh) I dont give a s***!

I said substantial

as above. enough of the barrister tactics please, we are intereste din the truth, not winning or losing

If that is the case, then so be it

Listen. As with the rest of the gang, you allow yourself to be deliberately obtuse when you dont want to understand something. Realise that to implicate FT, he does not have to say the words "I hereby impicate FT". No. He simply has to relate a story that implicates FT by simple inference- something which you guys are not fond of when it doesnt suit your ends. In stating that they participated in the power down, and in that they havent come clean about it, informed the authorities to look into it etc, they are part of the cover up by implication, in his eyes.

I have asked you guys to address this point for many pages now, and nothing. Not even an admission, as I have willingly done, that it is an "anomaly". Astonishing dishonesty on all of your parts.

I'm gonna give you all another day, and then its back to PNAC.

It was relevant to the point I was making. Re read

a lot of what?

have you ever seen a 911 CT survey? Google it

???

Where have you seen this advertised?

you tell me? or better still i will email them

you have no proof he is being "hassled"

snide and rude again

same reason they were able to investigate the litvenenko case? this investigation did not only take place on british soil, they went abroad to investigate

if people like avery and jones can uncover smoking guns then i'm sure the METs finest could if there were any

simple, would you go to the authorities if you were in scotts position

of course it has, very handy, you have no proof so we ignore the claim

rudeness again, you infer i make facist remarks or am indeed a facist, please retract

not your initial claim and again well avoided, you said his claims did not change, they did, that is the truth

again well avoided, these other companies have no scott forbes type of whistle blower working for them? or the imaginary official records that they would have to purge, how many other companies would have been involved in a complete power down of all floors from 50 up?

very strange that there has been nothing about any of them reported?

again this is your reading of what he has claimed, same as the PNAC, no-one else seems to agree that he is implicating FT, also rudeness again

it was irrelevant to the points we were discussing at the time, it was a sidetrack, if you are allowed them the so am i, and you said i was not?

protesters at ground zero on 911, you said a lot, how much is a lot?

next two posts you make

1. you show me any proof that 10's of millions of people think that bush and the administration deliberatly planned and executed a plan that would murder 3000 people so they could go to war, this is what you are claiming?
2.another avoidance, see above

you tell me mate, is it online advertising through truther sites and forums?
 
I have made no money off this. So what is your point?

Well golly mjd, time to make a video! You don't want to be just another credulous consumer of this Truth Movement rubbish do you? Get out there and start making bucks off the tragedy, all the cool kids are doing it.
 

I asked:

How can we tell the difference between
a
) Scotts statements being incorrect, and
b
) a cover up taking place?
How would they look different?

Your response is "he would be fired"? I believe you are trying to insinuate that he would be fired if his statements were false. Are you also trying to claim that he would NOT be fired if his statements were true? Please explain what you are basing this assumption on. Also, note that it contradicts your earlier claim:


If an employee of such a company were to come out and imply that the gov were behind 911, they would be out on their ass

As, even if his statements are TRUE, he's implicating them, as you claim, therefore he should be fired regardless of whether his statements are true. Perhaps you need to revise your claim above, since you are now preaching something different.

you must know that he is being hassled, hence why he isnt coming out and telling everyone his story as he otherwise might.

The fact that he "isn't coming out and telling everyone his story" does not prove that he is being hassled. There is more than one reason he could be behaving this way.

Where is the proof that he is being hassled to keep quiet?
 
Only one person in the world believes in Forbes, me. Riiiight...
Again, you prove that you have the comprehension level of a zygote. So let me say this again, in all caps. Maybe you might finally get it. YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE THAT BELIEVES IN THE FT COVER-UP. If that weren't true, it would be all over the TM sites. It's not. If you were interested in an honest debate, you'd admit that you may be wrong and move on.
If the TM werent a factor, then what the hell are you and your kook brigade doing on this forum?
To insure that it never happens. Besides, some of these debates are intellectually stimulating. They force me to think and research. Others are just great entertainment. I've learned more about 9/11 in these past few months than I did the prior 5 years. If I keep just one person from believing in the fantasist garbage you and the other TM sheeple:sheep: spew forth, it's all worth it.
 
#1- If you and I are aware of them, you think his employers of at least 6 years will not be?
#2- He has stated that he is being hassled by them to keep quiet.
#1- only if they go on the TM sites. His statements are not widely known. You claim "millions" know, but cannot provide proof of this, which several of us have asked for, which is incredibly dishonest.
#2-Yet he's spoken at 2 or more 9/11 functions and has given 2 interviews. You lose credibility there.
You know what the facts are, you know that FT will be aware of what he has said (if you are not stupid), and you must know that he is being hassled, hence why he isnt coming out and telling everyone his story as he otherwise might.
See #2 above.
I have met him, I have relayed all this to you. So why do you continue playing silly buggers if you are interested in the facts? Leave that to the other clowns on this thread
Please provide a link to the group that hosted the talks that list Scott's name. Do you have any pics of you and Scott? You're lack of honesty and your anonymity would keep us, or any sane person, from just taking your word for it. Either that, or send Scott the link to here so he can verify your claims.
No, I said it has been scrubbed from the official record, according to Scott.
Again, that's only according to Scott.
I cannot recall the record he was talking about; my statement may be taken at face value then.
see above
I said substantial
Going from top fifty floors with all security cameras and locks out of commission for 36 hours to not sure how many floors and could be wrong about the security locks and it was only 26 hours is significant. The TM taking it from there to both towers being completely powered down for the weekend is major.
as above. enough of the barrister tactics please, we are intereste din the truth, not winning or losing
It would be nice if that were true about you.
Realise that to implicate FT, he does not have to say the words "I hereby impicate FT". No. He simply has to relate a story that implicates FT by simple inference- something which you guys are not fond of when it doesnt suit your ends. In stating that they participated in the power down, and in that they havent come clean about it, informed the authorities to look into it etc, they are part of the cover up by implication, in his eyes.
Again, the comprehension level of a zygote comes through. Preparing for the power down that PA said was going to happen is not participating in it on the level that they know why the power down was going to occur. There is nothing to alert the authorities about or come clean about. So there is no implication of FT's complicity in 9/11 or any illegal activity.
I have asked you guys to address this point for many pages now, and nothing. Not even an admission, as I have willingly done, that it is an "anomaly". Astonishing dishonesty on all of your parts.
Err. This has been addressed. You contention that this was an anomaly is only based on Scott's say so, not documentation. We have asked you to provide such evidence and you have failed to do so time and time again and you still claim that we have not addressed this which is incredibly dishonest of you.
I'm gonna give you all another day, and then its back to PNAC.
Thank you, oh great god of propitiousness.
 
because 40 some odd days of mjd bantering about his interpretation wasn't enough, the Good Lord came and blessed me with MORE.

Thank you, baby Jebus!!
 
Lol, the power down happened to them. They have not come out and refuted any allegations that have been made against them which imply that they were thus party to anything nefarious happening that weekend. Millions of peple are aware of this, but tFT choose not to comment, and try to hush up Forbes
You make this so easy. In order for them to refute any allegations, they need to be made. Neither Scott or the "TM" make any public allegations against FT. There is nothing stated or implied on any site or any document that implies FT had any part in the decision to power down the floors it resides on. So there is nothing for FT to answer for. Now if you can post documentation showing PA informing FT that the power down is in preparation for aircraft hitting the building or FT creating a fictitious situation that would require PA to power down the floors, then you would have something. Since none of that has been shown or talked about by Scott, your whole argument is baseless. So "Millions" of people are not aware of this. FT hasn't tried that hard to "hush" Scott or he would not have had the 2+ speaking engagements and 2 interviews. So there is no evidence of a cover up.
 
Objection, mjd1982; relevance?

You've stated elsewhere that you don't believe that One and Two World Trade Center were collapsed with pre-planted explosive devices, only Seven World Trade.

Why then does it matter if there was or wans't a power-down? Your contradictions are starting to sound like Stundie (the poster for whom the award is named, not the award).
 
So, in summary...
1.) A PNAC document was written......True. There is evidence of this.

2.) Transformations described in this same document will take decades. True.
The evidence of the existence of the documents and statements therein confirm this.

3.) Is there a short term plan of transformation outlined within the document?
False. There are no described short term time conditions of policy.

4.) Are there any conditions that would alter transformations? True. The consensus of the group involved with the planning of document determined these changes be done to prevent attacks and rebuild military infrastructure and maintain American democratic ideals globaly. A catastrophic and catalyzing event is stated as to what would alter these plans.

5.) Would a catastrophic and catalyzing event benefit America in regards to transformations, described in PNAC, as happening sooner? False. The evidence shows this was not beneficial to America.

6.) Is there evidence to connect the PNAC document to the Bush Administration in the form of conspiring to allow attacks to happen on American soil in order for transformations to take place sooner?
No.
 
In the main reading room of the New York Public Library, a woman stood up, approached me where I was sitting, and shouted that I was responsible for the Holocaust. I did not refute her allegation. Therefore I am party to the nefarious Nazi persecution, imprisonment, torture, and murder of millions of people.

Or is your logic stupendously flawed?
#1:

mjd1982 said:
Oh-just so people are aware, I have eviscerated this chap's LC commentary, PNAC section on p3 of this thread. He has been asked to rebut sensibly since then, but has found it beyond him do so. I would like to know, if he cannot, then what hope do any of you have of doing so?

Just so you know, arguing from incredulity is "stupendous flawed" logic.

#2 Suitably, so is your analogy. From the one side, the woman's accusation has zero basis since, for one reason, she has no apparent connection with you. So aside from other problems, she would have no way of knowing such. This is the opposite of Scott's case. From the other side, your scope for refutation is different from that of FT. They can refute his accusaton quite simply, by firing him. Had the lady accused her employers of being involved in the Holocaust, they could have refuted her accustion by firing her for false accusation. FT have not done this to Scott.

That no one can/will answer why is obvious, and so now we shall move back to PNAC
 
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I know this is a concept that is strange to you but I was answering a question. No where do you ask why you do it.



Please try to read for comprehension.
You implied that the reason the TM has support/impetus is due to financial gain. i am saying I support it and give it a degree of impetus for zero gain
 
you tell me? or better still i will email them

you have no proof he is being "hassled"

snide and rude again

same reason they were able to investigate the litvenenko case? this investigation did not only take place on british soil, they went abroad to investigate

if people like avery and jones can uncover smoking guns then i'm sure the METs finest could if there were any

simple, would you go to the authorities if you were in scotts position

of course it has, very handy, you have no proof so we ignore the claim

rudeness again, you infer i make facist remarks or am indeed a facist, please retract

not your initial claim and again well avoided, you said his claims did not change, they did, that is the truth

again well avoided, these other companies have no scott forbes type of whistle blower working for them? or the imaginary official records that they would have to purge, how many other companies would have been involved in a complete power down of all floors from 50 up?

very strange that there has been nothing about any of them reported?

again this is your reading of what he has claimed, same as the PNAC, no-one else seems to agree that he is implicating FT, also rudeness again

it was irrelevant to the points we were discussing at the time, it was a sidetrack, if you are allowed them the so am i, and you said i was not?

protesters at ground zero on 911, you said a lot, how much is a lot?

next two posts you make

1. you show me any proof that 10's of millions of people think that bush and the administration deliberatly planned and executed a plan that would murder 3000 people so they could go to war, this is what you are claiming?
2.another avoidance, see above

you tell me mate, is it online advertising through truther sites and forums?
I'm sorry, but this is taking too much time if you cant use the quote function. Type
mjd1982 said:
at the top ofthe section you are replying to, and
at the end of it. Repeat.

The meat of your post is concerned with SF- I cannot give you "proof" that he is being hassled, other than the "evidence" that he supports th movement, since he goes to meetings, and has said so, yet that he doesnt make a big show of his remarkable and important testimony, because he is gettng hassled.

Please dont ask me for proof that he comes to meetings.

ETA- Oh God, our local Einstein has asked for "proof" that I have indeed met Scott...
 
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no, it's #493, stooopid!! :D
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It's the OP, ju eeeeeediot
 
See #493. Oh... Ok, I will address your post anyway!

So, in summary...
1.) A PNAC document was written......True. There is evidence of this.

good

2.) Transformations described in this same document will take decades. True.
The evidence of the existence of the documents and statements therein confirm this.

3.) Is there a short term plan of transformation outlined within the document?
False. There are no described short term time conditions of policy.

Here you get confused. The policy as a whole will take a long time to implement whatever the scenario. As I have said before, you cannot militarise space (to take one example of the WOT/RAD) overnight, It takes a long time. This is what you are conceiving when you talk about the "long time". Also the fact that the platform which RAD/WOT aims at creating is intended to last a long time.

However, to think that such would not want to be implemented sooner rather than later is not the point of the "long time".

4.) Are there any conditions that would alter transformations? True. The consensus of the group involved with the planning of document determined these changes be done to prevent attacks and rebuild military infrastructure and maintain American democratic ideals globaly. A catastrophic and catalyzing event is stated as to what would alter these plans.

Errr... I'm afraid that this is only true via a catastrophically slack reading of the document. Such an event would not alter those plan (in the pejorative sense which you imply), rather it would remove the barriers and quicken the upheavals to allow such transformations to happen quicker. This would, consequently,allow the rebuilding of military infrastructure and the preservation of US interests to happen more quickly.

5.) Would a catastrophic and catalyzing event benefit America in regards to transformations, described in PNAC, as happening sooner? False. The evidence shows this was not beneficial to America.

Again, the intention of such an event was precisely to catalyse the most favourable conditions for the military transformation detailed in the doc to occur. As is common sense, a war environment is more favourable to military transformation than a peace environment. Hence, as the doc had advocated decades of military transformation, within days of 911 the US gov had created the political paradigm that would allow for a decades long war, which will, in theory allow for such transformations to occur in the most seamless way possble.

6.) Is there evidence to connect the PNAC document to the Bush Administration in the form of conspiring to allow attacks to happen on American soil in order for transformations to take place sooner?
No.

Lol, well, unless you can explain the 4 points listed in #750, which none of your ilk have even dared try, then you will see the facts about such evidence a little clearer, I daresay.
 

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