The "28 pages" thread

[pgimeno]

Once he said Israel did it...

Israel involved in 911 attacks? Could Israel have NORAD stand down? Could Israel allow the pentagon to be attacked? Could Israel know exercises were occuring on the same day as 911? Actually the answer to all these is yes. I started to wake up to reality when I looked at who was running the pentagon. And I discovered it had been taken over by people working for Israel. Feith, wolfowitcz, Pearl it goes on and on. Would Israel attack America with immunity? The answer is Yes.

Someone copied that post here and linked it. I've checked the Wayback Machine but it doesn't hold the page

http://911blogger.com/news/2006-12-...reaks-israeli-911-foreknowledge#comment-96127

 

[jimd3100]

Well, someone got "outed" alright.

This only verifies what I've been saying. Such as...

Your "background check" on me was obviously done to find a "gotcha!" How many of these do I have to post to show you had to dig deep and ignore much before finding what you consider to be a gotcha? How is this not worse than any "quote-mining ever done by anyone on this forum?

He knew the following was a lie.

How is?

Or How was- in a post made 10 years ago by someone else supposedly quoting not jimd3100 but jimd3100's real name?

how is your claim Israel did 911, caused the stand down, and allowed the Pentagon to be attacked; how is that going, or did you drop Israel did it

I claim Israel did 9/11 according to beachnut. What is he supposed to think? After all somebody(I have no idea who this is)going by "DHS" made a post on 911blogger in 2006 that said somebody else said that. No, not jimd3100, because I don't think "jimd3100" existed 10 years ago in 2006. But someone named James _________.

http://911blogger.com/news/2006-12-...reaks-israeli-911-foreknowledge#comment-96127

I never made that post and was unaware of it's existence.

This only verifies what I've been saying.

How many of these do I have to post to show you had to dig deep and ignore much before finding what you consider to be a gotcha?

Finding every thing jimd3100 ever said would show the stuff I've already posted and more.

Beachnut needs to find out who "jimd3100" is. Now that Beachnut has my name, he knows where I live and - who knows what else. All this is "perfectly normal" of course. Remember, he was a pilot. Balsamo was a pilot to, but he's a nut. All of Beachnut's posts reveal a "normal" "healthy" "well-adjusted" adult. Anyone can see that. I'm a conspiracy wacked out 9-11 weirdo idiot. So Beachnut goes back to being normal, ...prepping and "researching" for his post on The "28 Pages" Thread. What is the worst thing he can find on jimd3100, a police record for being a child molester would be ideal, but the records check didn't turn up anything did it beachnut? How can he make his contribution to Oysteins The "28 pages" Thread without doing all this "research"? Now that he found my name, checked records, and who knows what else(he was a pilot-this is normal) What else can he find? And there it is!

http://911blogger.com/news/2006-12-...reaks-israeli-911-foreknowledge#comment-96127

A post made 10 years ago by someone else claiming James ________ said this in a haloscan comments section no longer existing on the internet evidently.

Well, that will have to do. Now Beachnut can post...

how is your claim Israel did 911, caused the stand down, and allowed the Pentagon to be attacked; how is that going, or did you drop Israel did it

All honest-normal behavior. A momentous contribution to understanding the 28 pages obviously. Meanwhile the wacked out 9-11 weirdo responds....

How many of these do I have to post to show you had to dig deep and ignore much before finding what you consider to be a gotcha?

Of course he already knows I don't claim that. That would be obvious during his digging. But no problem, he'll just add...

or did you drop Israel did it

After all, this shows honesty. He was a pilot. Not slander is it? He was a pilot, nothing like Balsamo, he was dishonest and weird.

So----do I respond or go away in disgust. (being "outed" and "running away" no doubt would be this forums' spin)

I'll do both.

Instead of saying.... "jimd3100 never said that. That is someone claiming "James" said that and there is no proof James said that."

I wont say that because even though that would be an accurate statement like I've been saying...

As time goes on more and more people will realize who is dishonest between the two of us.

I have no problem being honest. I prefer honesty.

Your witch hunt/background check on me shows how desperate you are to avoid current issues, and are more focused on character assassination. You've exposed yourself as rather despicable

Yes, I'll continue being honest which just reinforces....

If you were in the military you have to know the VP is outside the military chain of command. But you spread disinformation.

I'm now grateful that I am not the "right kind of forum member"

Cheney said? And my prior post proved who's been spamming "Shoot down means...." You tell lies.

No- I don't belong here. BS on other forums? Yes. But this is the bottom of the barrel

You're dishonest and spread disinformation. Time is not on your side as you destroy your credibility to those left who still believe you have any - with your slanders, lies and disinformation.

Most don't pay attention

Your attempts at slander make you look pathetic to anyone paying attention.

I had recently left the armed forces in 2006.

I've seen others post their theories on this thread. So let me share one. Here is my theory. My theory is that elements of the Saudi Government were involved. My theory is that our President kept that from the American people because it ruins his goal of getting America to attack Iraq (Which the Saudis also want) My theory is that Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11 and those 28 pages show that. But the President protected Saudi's in order to go after Iraq. And some of those Saudis are personal friends.

The release of those 28 pages will either expose me as a tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist or not.

I'm not saying Al Qaeda didn't attack the U.S. on 9-11. I'm saying they did, and I went back into the armed Forces after 9-11 so I could personally have the pleasure of blowing their brains out myself. But I don't like being propagandized, manipulated, and lied to, or "incompetent" politicians re-writing history. I say it's about time to release those 28 pages. And see how my theory holds up.

Pat Tillman was somebody I respect and admire greatly. His family as well. He Joined the Armed Forces after 9-11 and was disgusted that he was used to go fight a "pre-preemptive" war in Iraq.

Jessica Lynch:

On April 24, 2007 she testified in front of Congress that she never fired her weapon and was knocked unconscious when her vehicle crashed. She woke up later in an Iraqi hospital. She blamed the media and the military of lying for their own gain. She said during her testimony, "They should have found out the facts before they spread the word like wildfire."
http://www.jessica-lynch.com/

She was used in a dishonest propaganda campaign run on the American people. I have nothing against her. She was honorable and told the truth. The truth is no one knows any of the names of the 11 soldiers that were with her that were killed. She emptied her gun shooting at the enemy keeping them at bay as long as possible until she had no more ammo left. That was the "story". She was unconscious and never fired a shot. That was the truth. But the story is true. Some of those eleven dead did just that, but not her. But who cares? She will be used as propaganda, her rescue was used as well.

Tillman kept a journal:
Tillman wrote: "Were our case for war even somewhat justifiable, no doubt many of our traditional allies ... would be praising our initiative ... However, every leader in the world, with a few exceptions, is crying foul, as is the voice of much of the people. This ... leads me to believe that we have little or no justification other than our imperial whim. Of course Nub (his nickname for Kevin) & I have ... willingly allowed ourselves to be pawns in this game and will do our job whether we agree with it or not. All we ask is that it is duly noted that we harbor no illusions of virtue."
http://archive.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/2009/09/14/20090914Montini0915.html

He wrote of his first mission in Iraq

"This mission will be a P.O.W. rescue, a woman named Jessica Lynch. As awful as I feel for the fear she must face, and admire the courage I'm sure she's showing, I do believe this to be a big Public Relations stunt. Do not mistake me, I wish everyone in trouble to be rescued, but sending this many folks for a single low ranking soldier screams of media blitz."
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/PatTillma...ch-jon-krakauer-book-details/story?id=8536693

He was correct. It was propaganda. And in a cruel irony when he had his brains blown out by a trigger happy idiot, he was used as well. He had honor. Those that lied and used his death do not. Lies are being told and lies got us into the Iraq war.

The Lavon affair -the USS liberty Those were the next words before beachnut cut the post I made 10 years ago. Which I don't even remember doing and doesn't even exist anymore. Lavon affair USS Liberty -It wouldn't be the first time.

Larry Franklin worked for Feith and was convicted for espionage.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Franklin_espionage_scandal

That's why it's an easy sell. I shortly realized after that it was another country. Cover ups cover ups lies. You think the government hates these "conspiracy theories?" They count on them.

Contrary to what some say, it seems obvious that 9/11 was used as an opportunity to invade Iraq. Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11.

When James (me)made that post in 2006 I was not a member of 911blogger-PP- or any other boards. I had done no research. I had been to busy being a pawn. But something was definitely wrong. I soon started researching and like I already said, never believed in no plane crash at the pentagon, fake phone calls, and other BS. But if you blindly believe whatever the government tells you, you are an idiot. The American Government lies and bombards the American people with propaganda. I never asked to be a mod, I never made a website, or blog, wrote a book, made a video, spoke at a rally, demonstrated, opened a twitter account, made a Facebook page, and so on because I want my privacy, and am not seeking attention but here I am saying this because of the nonsense on this board forcing me to "explain myself" in a thread called The "28 pages" thread. You go ahead and believe the nice Saudis that have been maligned and don't believe the FBI Investigators. This is the most disgusting treasonous cover up in U.S. history and if the truth wasn't censured and against the law to reveal, ...the number of people blaming Israel and other conspiracy theories would be dramatically reduced.

Edited by Agatha: 

Do not alter usernames

 

[Axxman300]

The Jessica Lynch story was fabricated by the Washington Post, not the US Army, who actively tried to dispel key story points line by line.

https://mediamythalert.wordpress.com/tag/jessica-lynch/

Their unnamed source had gotten the information wrong, with the actions of another soldier being attributed to Lynch.

And yeah, we rescue our people at any opportunity.

Washington was happy to run with the BS story, but you cannot lay the lies on DoD or the Army. This was media Blue Falcon all the way. Our problem was the Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz macro incompetence at every level.

 

[pgimeno]

Actually, the link between the nickname and the real name was made public by JM Talboo: http://911debunkers.blogspot.fr/2011/07/about-they-hate-our-freedoms.html (archived version)

 

[ProBonoShill]

Actually, the link between the nickname and the real name was made public by JM Talboo: http://911debunkers.blogspot.fr/2011/07/about-they-hate-our-freedoms.html (archived version)

Ohh oh, another jew hating truther caught lying. Par for the course.

 

[Georgio]

I haven't seen anything presented so far that convinces me that jimd3100 thinks 'Israel did 911'. He actively says he doesn't claim that, and the best evidence presented comes in the form of one 10 year old quoted post which he denies writing.

For any trolls reading this, notice that nowhere in this post do I say, 'jimd3100 definitely doesn't think Israel did 911 and I agree with everything he writes or has written'.

@jimd3100 - I strongly advise you to ignore ProBonoShill's post above - he is simply baiting you.

 

[skyeagle409]

Contrary to what some say, it seems obvious that 9/11 was used as an opportunity to invade Iraq. Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11.

I agree that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, but we invaded Iraq over WMD lies concocted by Rafid Ahmed Alwan al-Janabi (Curveball).


Defector admits to WMD lies that triggered Iraq war

The defector who convinced the White House that Iraq had a secret biological weapons programme has admitted for the first time that he lied about his story, then watched in shock as it was used to justify the war. it is amazing there are those who actually believe that a missile hit the Pentagon.

Rafid Ahmed Alwan al-Janabi, codenamed Curveball by German and American intelligence officials who dealt with his claims, has told the Guardian that he fabricated tales of mobile bioweapons trucks and clandestine factories in an attempt to bring down the Saddam Hussein regime, from which he had fled in 1995.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/feb/15/defector-admits-wmd-lies-iraq-war


Saddam Hussein continued to impede UN inspectors and violate UN resolutions after the Gulf War and it was a matter of time before someone would say enough is enough.

... I soon started researching and like I already said, never believed in no plane crash at the pentagon,...

My Wing commander was inside the Pentagon when American 77 struck that building and I have identified from photos, B-757 wreckage inside and outside the Pentagon. What did American Airlines have to say about American 77? Despite the evidence, there are those who continue to believe that a missile struck the Pentagon.

I also wanted to add that Saudi Arabia had called upon the release of the 28 pages released as well.

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[beachnut]

I haven't seen anything presented so far that convinces me that jimd3100 thinks 'Israel did 911'. He actively says he doesn't claim that, and the best evidence presented comes in the form of one 10 year old quoted post which he denies writing.

For any trolls reading this, notice that nowhere in this post do I say, 'jimd3100 definitely doesn't think Israel did 911 and I agree with everything he writes or has written'.

@jimd3100 - I strongly advise you to ignore ProBonoShill's post above - he is simply baiting you.

He said Israel could...

You are right, he only said Israel could do it. And he list BS thing he thinks Israel could do. He also thinks Hani can't fly a 757 and crash into a 900 foot wide target... and more. PrisonPlanet moderator explains the woo. And the melted steel? wow, no wonder the claim about the 28 pages is political BS nonsense.

The 28 pages reveal Bush was with the terrorists. - jimd3100

Israel involved in 911 attacks? Could Israel have NORAD stand down? Could Israel allow the pentagon to be attacked? Could Israel know exercises were occuring on the same day as 911? Actually the answer to all these is yes. I started to wake up to reality when I looked at who was running the pentagon. And I discovered it had been taken over by people working for Israel. Feith, wolfowitcz, Pearl it goes on and on. Would Israel attack America with immunity? The answer is Yes.

Exercises is the key, when we did exercise in the USAF, we had experience staff on board, thus exercises on 9/11 would be why the FAA and NORAD skipped the BS, and launched fighter on 9/11, a think jimd is upset with because he is upset with america... and a PrisonPlanet expert.

Really Israel let the Pentagon be attacked? Or could? What a load of BS. The FAA rules the airspace before 9/11, there were no procedures for NORAD to intercept flight over the USA on 9/11, jimd3100 did not know this all those years ago when he posted lies and BS.

What has changed with the 28 pages?

The 28 pages reveal Bush was with the terrorists. Some are practically members of his family.

The legacy of woo and misinformation continues with the 28 pages.

 

[ProBonoShill]

He said Israel could...

You are right, he only said Israel could do it. And he list BS thing he thinks Israel could do. He also thinks Hani can't fly a 757 and crash into a 900 foot wide target... and more. PrisonPlanet moderator explains the woo. And the melted steel? wow, no wonder the claim about the 28 pages is political BS nonsense.




Exercises is the key, when we did exercise in the USAF, we had experience staff on board, thus exercises on 9/11 would be why the FAA and NORAD skipped the BS, and launched fighter on 9/11, a think jimd is upset with because he is upset with america... and a PrisonPlanet expert.

Really Israel let the Pentagon be attacked? Or could? What a load of BS. The FAA rules the airspace before 9/11, there were no procedures for NORAD to intercept flight over the USA on 9/11, jimd3100 did not know this all those years ago when he posted lies and BS.

What has changed with the 28 pages?

The legacy of woo and misinformation continues with the 28 pages.

Thanks for posting proof Beachnut.

I'd ignore Georgio, he is self admittedly too lazy to do his own research and is just baiting you.

 

[Georgio]

Thanks for posting proof Beachnut.

Proof of what? He has posted enough material to justify his including references to Israel in his lists of questions but he hasn't provided proof that jimd3100 thinks Israel did 911.

I'd ignore Georgio, he is self admittedly too lazy to do his own research and is just baiting you.

You seem to have taken umbrage at my saying your last post was baiting jimd3100 - does this mean to say you have proper evidence that he hates Jews?

 

[ProBonoShill]

Proof of what? He has posted enough material to justify his including references to Israel in his lists of questions but he hasn't provided proof that jimd3100 thinks Israel did 911.

What about this quote do you not understand, especially the bolded? Are you really that obtuse?

"Israel involved in 911 attacks? Could Israel have NORAD stand down? Could Israel allow the pentagon to be attacked? Could Israel know exercises were occuring on the same day as 911? Actually the answer to all these is yes. I started to wake up to reality when I looked at who was running the pentagon. And I discovered it had been taken over by people working for Israel. Feith, wolfowitcz, Pearl it goes on and on. Would Israel attack America with immunity? The answer is Yes."

You seem to have taken umbrage at my saying your last post was baiting jimd3100 - does this mean to say you have proper evidence that he hates Jews?

The proof he hates Jews is readily available in this very thread, if you can't see that I can't help you.

As for any "umbrage" it seems you're misunderstanding posts again.

You yourself have admitted you're lazy, I was just pointing that fact out to Beachnut and advising him to ignore you. I mean it seems you can't even be bothered to acknowledge evidence when it's been clearly provided to you.

 

[beachnut]

Proof of what? He has posted enough material to justify his including references to Israel in his lists of questions but he hasn't provided proof that jimd3100 thinks Israel did 911.

You seem to have taken umbrage at my saying your last post was baiting jimd3100 - does this mean to say you have proper evidence that he hates Jews?

Who cares if he believes Hani can't fly, and steel melted, he will deny it anyway. Did he write the stuff on the internet? Who cares. I don't think anything he posts is useful, he is PrisonPlanet mod, a place where misinformation and BS rules.

I was trying to get a take on the 28 pages, I have the answer.

The 28 pages reveal Bush was with the terrorists. - jimd3100

Bush was with the terrorists, steel melted/NIST lied, and Hani can't crash a 757.

9/11 truth... http://www.opednews.com/articles/Why-You-Should-Be-a-9-11-T-by-jimd3100-080708-640.html
We should all join the movement of lies...

The Israel loving Neocons with assistance from Prince Bandar and his connections with Saudi Intelligence who funneled money to the brainwashed jihadi nutjobs thank everyone who want to say the jews did it. Everyone knows Israel was the big benefactor of 9-11 hell Cheney admits it in this eye opening interview.....
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=151482.msg976152#msg976152
but to say they did it just helps out the traitors in our own Government - jimd3100

Did the 28 pages expose the traitors in our own government? Or is it just Bush.

 

[Georgio]

Are you really that obtuse?

I think I must be - I can't see anything in that quote that says he thinks Israel did 911. He is talking about whether, in his view, that idea is a plausible one. He seems to think it is a plausible idea but that's not the same thing as saying he thinks that's what happened. As I say, I'm not claiming, 'he doesn't think Israel did 911' but rather that evidence for that has not been presented.

If I were to say it's completely plausible that this or that country could have hidden nuclear weapons or something, that's not the same thing as saying that country DOES have them.

The proof he hates Jews is readily available in this very thread, if you can't see that I can't help you.

You can help me by posting some examples. It's your claim so your burden of proof.

 

[ProBonoShill]

I think I must be - I can't see anything in that quote that says he thinks Israel did 911. He is talking about whether, in his view, that idea is a plausible one. He seems to think it is a plausible idea but that's not the same thing as saying he thinks that's what happened. As I say, I'm not claiming, 'he doesn't think Israel did 911' but rather that evidence for that has not been presented.

If I were to say it's completely plausible that this or that country could have hidden nuclear weapons or something, that's not the same thing as saying that country DOES have them.


You can help me by posting some examples. It's your claim so your burden of proof.

What do you think he means when stating this:

Actually the answer to all these is yes. I started to wake up to reality when I looked at who was running the pentagon. And I discovered it had been taken over by people working for Israel


What reality exactly is he waking up to? Does he think people "taking over" the Pentagon are Jews? Does that sound like something someone who likes Jewish people would say?

Would you like me to hold your hand some more or are you content just being lazy and not able to think critically.

 

[Georgio]

What reality exactly is he waking up to?

Apparantly that (he believes) the Pentagon is being run by 'people working for Israel' not 'Jewish people'. Do you have to be Jewish to be working for Israel? Or working for Israel if you're Jewish?

Does he think people "taking over" the Pentagon are Jews?

He doesn't say, see above.

Would you like me to hold your hand some more

Yes, please. I would require more than what's been presented to agree that he thinks or thought 'Israel did 911' or that he 'hates' Jews.

 

[Major_Tom]

Earlier I wrote:

What posts here contain original information that is not included within the link to the other forum?

Or, if it isn't too inconvenient, could you post the info from this thread that you didn't include in the other forum over there? It would be nice to have all the information in one place. Easier for an interested person to read.

I withdraw the request. Bad idea. There is way too much information on both threads to do that.



There is a lot of original information here which, if one reads through the thread from the beginning, contradicts some of the beliefs by people who posted here.

Some parts of the thread are quite informative so why turn it into just another mud-slinging ISF/JREF witch-hunt? Why not look at the actual information presented instead of going into the usual gang mentality?

 

[Oystein]

...
Some parts of the thread are quite informative so why turn it into just another mud-slinging ISF/JREF witch-hunt? Why not look at the actual information presented instead of going into the usual gang mentality?

+1
I don't feel I can contribute much to the thread topic at this time (not even critical questions and doubts), but feel very much exasperated by the irrational attack of the Pawlow dog-pack.
I have started this thread. I have also started a thread that seeks to explore, or find examples of, thruthers often being anti-semites. I am certainly sensitive to anti-semitism in writings about the events of 9/11. I am very much surprised that anyone would accuse jimd of it. Never seen a hint.

 

[beachnut]

... Why not look at the actual information presented instead of going into the usual gang mentality?

And is this all you have for the 28 pages?

Don't be upset 911 truth's CD fantasy failed out of the box... and the 28 pages have come and gone, no smoking gun again. Ironically you did not comment on the 28 pages. Is that, "just plain" oversight?

Using the 9/11 truth logic, which has melted steel, melted concrete, only expert pilots can hit buildings, etc, etc, etc, we get

The 28 pages reveal Bush was with the terrorists. - jimd3100

Explain the factual information presented to come up with this BS political nonsense?

I was wondering why so much cut and paste BS related to the 28 pages ends up being the same old failed logic BS political opinion conclusion...

The 28 pages reveal Bush was with the terrorists. - jimd3100

Was Bush the Satan you spoke of? The Bush comment fits with PrisionPlanet BS, the Alex Jones standard of woo. I was wondering how we get the 28 pages reveal Bush was with the terrorists, and it is typical PrisonPlanet junk, failed logic.

Can you come up with some actual information which points to the 28 pages reveal Bush was with the terrorists. Facts, some evidence; just plain anything? Or what?
I don't see any change after the 28 pages were released except 9/11 truth has lost another milestone smoking gun item of interest; on to the next one. What will be the next hook?

 

[ProBonoShill]

Apparantly that (he believes) the Pentagon is being run by 'people working for Israel' not 'Jewish people'. Do you have to be Jewish to be working for Israel? Or working for Israel if you're Jewish?

That doesn't answer my question at all. Try again, what is he waking up to and why the need for waking up? Is somehow working for Israel and the Jewish people a bad thing and we need to be awakened to that fact?

He doesn't say, see above.

They could be Jews and/or "working for Israel" again why would someone be required to "wake up to reality" after they discover "it had been taken over by people working for Israel" Is there something wrong with people working for Israel? Does this sound like someone who likes Israel and the Jewish people?

Yes, please. I would require more than what's been presented to agree that he thinks or thought 'Israel did 911' or that he 'hates' Jews

Of course you would, but I'm in a charitable mood and think it'd serve you better in the long run if you learned to figure out these simple things for yourself, after all you're the one who continually admits to how lazy they are.

 

[Georgio]

Of course you would, but I'm in a charitable mood and think it'd serve you better in the long run if you learned to figure out these simple things for yourself, after all you're the one who continually admits to how lazy they are.

That's very kind of you, thanks. The odd thing is, Oystein seems to agree with me in his post 377 and he's not lazy, is he? Wonder what his problem is...