The "28 pages" thread

[jimd3100]

...anti-bush elements making up nonsense about 911, like the "Cheney said shoot down, means stand-down? The stuff you spammed us with...

Cheney said? And my prior post proved who's been spamming "Shoot down means...." You tell lies.

You're dishonest and spread disinformation. Time is not on your side as you destroy your credibility to those left who still believe you have any - with your slanders, lies and disinformation.

Quote:
Those exercises that were similar to the 9/11 attack made all those involved aware of who is authorized to give these types of orders. Thereby virtually insuring the defacto stand down. - jimd3100

Since you didn't provide a link - here is where you pulled out that quote

http://911blogger.com/news/2011-11-15/911-stand-down#comment-254294

Your attempts at slander make you look pathetic to anyone paying attention.

Perhaps you should be spending more time learning your 3 branches of Government and military chain of command instead of going on witch hunts looking for anything ever said whether it still stands or not as you accuse others of witch hunts. If you're unable to participate in current topics and subjects due to your ignorance of them maybe you should go read a book.

 

[beachnut]

Cheney said? And my prior post proved who's been spamming "Shoot down means...." You tell lies.

You're dishonest and spread disinformation. Time is not on your side as you destroy your credibility to those left who still believe you have any - with your slanders, lies and disinformation. ...

Was there a stand down on 9-11? In a sense yes, but there is no evidence that a stand down order was issued. There would be no reason for VP Cheney to issue a stand down order, since he issuing a shoot down order, would have the same effect. I will proceed to show this as a fact along with the disturbing fact that the President of the United States, and the Secretary of Defense, both deserted their posts in a time of war. These two individuals who are the only ones authorized to issue shoot down orders of civilian aircraft, created the stand down, by deserting their posts, and then further disgraced themselves, and their offices, by lying to the American people. - jimd3100

Slander? You made up the stand-down BS, not me.

Slander?

The administration had no interest in investigating these attacks. - jimd3100

Oh, the biggest investigation in history by the FBI. No interest? Why are there 28 pages?

The fact is the prime directive rules, not some BS chain of command.

no one else in the chain of command has the authority to take such action except in self-defense.

Thus anyone can take action, and proof is Flight 93 Passengers standing up to fight back. Technically the vice is in the chain, "when" the president is... lol,

Did you say the President was deserting his post? lol - did you make this up. (oops, if the president is ...)

What is new with the 28 pages? Nothing, nothing has changed, people will make up BS about this.

Have the 28 pages made you drop your melted steel belief?

This kind of logic is why believe in melted steel or a lack of knowledge of chemical engineering?

They don't want to talk about it and never followed up on it. They are telling you there was no melted steel. And their explanation for the collapse that killed almost all those victims at the WTC on 9/11? They have no explanation, and don't think you or anyone else deserve one. - jimd3100

Do the 28 pages help 9/11 truth drop the melted steel due to thermite/thermate fantasy? When did you drop the melted steel, did the 28 pages help.

After finding so many BS claims by you about 911, how can anyone trust your claims on these issues?

What has changed for your claims with the 28 pages? Is your "inside job" claim debunked by the 28 pages, or is your "inside job" claim supported by the 28 pages? Have you dropped the paranoid born claims of an inside job from 2008?

 

[jimd3100]

This thread entitled

The "28 pages" thread

Is now 9 pages long. Kudos and near perfect timing to Oystein. The timing was near perfect having started at the end of Aug 2015 and the pages (with important redactions remaining)actually released 11 months later(last month). His perfect title leaves no doubt what posts in this thread are supposed to be about.

My contributions to the thread have included giving forum members and readers access to information that later makes the news.

1 Example:
FOX NEWS World

The Headline reads...

Declassified memo shows multiple Saudi connections to 9/11 plotters
Published April 20, 2016

The certificate and other revelations were laid out in a 47-page work plan prepared for the FBI in June 2003 but not declassified until last July. The documents sought to verify the credibility of an FBI informant "with whom 9/11 hijackers Nawaf al-Hazmi and Khalid al-Mihdhar resided.” The hijackers, both Saudi citizens, crashed American Airlines Flight 77 into the Pentagon.

The documents list other prominent Saudis and potential links to the attacks, including:
.....
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/0...ltiple-saudi-connections-to-911-plotters.html

On April 20, 2016 Fox news has a report on the very same 47-page document I presented in this thread 7 months earlier on Sep 10, 2015...

Perhaps a list of names can help simplify and focus.

This is not my work. It is the work of Michael Jacobson and Dana Leseman who worked on both the Joint Inquiry and 9-11 Commission report.

This is not a full list BTW---

A Brief Overview of Possible Saudi Government Connections to the September 11th attacks
....

https://www.scribd.com/doc/272443421/2012-048-doc-017

Prince Bandar should probably be at the top of the list.

This post in Oysteins thread, on this forum, scooped fox news and everyone else by 7 months, but I'm one of "them". So who cares that a fellow member of the forum is giving "us" this? I guess Fox News does. I'm getting the impression that I'm not the "right kind" of forum member. Which is why I never started a thread on the subject, and waited for someone else to. I'm actually glad it was Oystein because of his timing and title of it. The majority here are to stupid, or engrossed in some kind of made up debunker mind set-group think, or something, to realize I'm one of "us". "Us" being people who give a crap and are interested in what is happening in our world before we leave it, and raising public/private consciousness while we're here, if we can. The truther debunker- crap is internet nonsense that means nothing to me.

I tried to give some good info for your thread Oystein, stuff I didn't even post on my own on PP. thread, but at 9 pages now - I don't think I'm the only person who when they see a thread many pages long they either ignore or check out the last page or so to see "the latest". Beachnut's contributions to the thread are to post "the latest". LOL! If he wants to do a background and means test on my "9-11 truthiness" start another thread. Or not. I don't care really, it's not like I'm a fan of the place.

 

[JSanderO]

The whole debunker meme is stupid.

If the Saudis had their hands in 911 this sorta blows the 911 truth boat outta the water. And if they did... why would the US be bids with these jerks? And continue to be buds with jerks?

 

[Major_Tom]

I don't know if it makes a difference but most of it is in this thread on another forum......

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=254040.0

Thanks. And thanks for providing sources for the quoted comments.

What posts here contain original information that is not included within the link to the other forum?

Or, if it isn't too inconvenient, could you post the info from this thread that you didn't include in the other forum over there? It would be nice to have all the information in one place. Easier for an interested person to read.

This post in Oysteins thread, on this forum, scooped fox news and everyone else by 7 months, but I'm one of "them". So who cares that a fellow member of the forum is giving "us" this? I guess Fox News does. I'm getting the impression that I'm not the "right kind" of forum member. Which is why I never started a thread on the subject, and waited for someone else to. I'm actually glad it was Oystein because of his timing and title of it. The majority here are to stupid, or engrossed in some kind of made up debunker mind set-group think, or something, to realize I'm one of "us". "Us" being people who give a crap and are interested in what is happening in our world before we leave it, and raising public/private consciousness while we're here, if we can. The truther debunker- crap is internet nonsense that means nothing to me.

I think you are the right kind of member currently in the wrong kind of forum. Don't worry about the majority here. That behavior is considered 'normal' within this environment.

 

[beachnut]

"28 pages" set free, what changed for ~expatriates of 911truth insidejob CD believers

... I think you are the right kind of member currently in the wrong kind of forum. Don't worry about the majority here. That behavior is considered 'normal' within this environment.

Just plain comes to mind for the "right kind of forum".

Just plain what? Did the 28 pages help debunk your CD fantasy, and your inside job fantasy? What have the 28 pages changed? jimd3100 thought 9/11 was an inside job, it appears the 28 pages have not changed anything, and was a ~McGuffin for 9/11 truth to spread doubt and nonsense.

28 pages released, what change for the paranoid 9/11 truth believers of CD and the inside job fantasy.

When did you drop CD, and do you think 28 pages will help others recover from the CD fantasy?

 

[Mark F]

Regardless of the 28 pages... knowing what I do about the KSA it's hard to understand why a western democracy would have diplomatic relations with country such as this. Their human rights practices are deplorable. The only reason I can see is they have oil and with their wealth buy western stuff like cars and oil rigs and jets and military weapons systems. And all of those reason seem like a weird reason to deal with a monarchy which tortures and treats women as they do. I would call them a rogue nation.

Wahabi Sunni Saudi Arabia is also an important check in the region against the ambitions of revolutionary Shia Iran.

 

[jaydeehess]

Wahabi Sunni Saudi Arabia is also an important check in the region against the ambitions of revolutionary Shia Iran.

yeah, but sooner or later I hope the world gets tired of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" ugliness. It just doesn't work out well in the long run much of the time.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

yeah, but sooner or later I hope the world gets tired of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" ugliness. It just doesn't work out well in the long run much of the time.

Exactly. Not much to choose between them, really.

The Saudi take on this was that the released pages got them off the hook, and that no connection was made between their government, senior government figures, and the hijackers.
They must have been reading a different 28 pages from the ones I read, which showed they were in it all the way, up to members of the royal family.
I think the issue now is were they deliberately playing a double game, like Pakistan, or was this unofficial, "we know but we're turning a blind eye" sort of thing, or rogue elements operating outside the gaze of the government/ ruling family?

 

[Mark F]

yeah, but sooner or later I hope the world gets tired of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" ugliness. It just doesn't work out well in the long run much of the time.

Middle East politics are of course slightly complicated.

When the Big M kicked the bucket in 632 AD he did so without naming a successor, so different factions started vying for power. That resulted in the rift in Islam which created the Shia and Sunni sects - which of course each later devolved into various sub-sects. At various times in history these factions have more or less got on, at other times not so much. We are currently in one of those not so much periods, fueled by white European's who carved up the Middle East among themselves creating artificial borders where folks with not much in common were forced to co-habitate. Basically they created a whole bunch of Yugoslavia's with the full acquiescence of the United States, who turned their backs on the Arabs and let the Limey's and Frogs do what they wanted at Versailles in 1919.

Then you get more western meddling in Iran in 1941 and again in 1954, creating the state of Israel and all that to stir the pot even more.

Fast forward to the 1980's and you have Shia Revolutionary Iran squaring off against Wahabi Sunni dominated Saudi Arabia with the secular Saddam Hussein in Iraq providing a check on both.

Then in 2003 we removed that check, creating a massive vacuum for extremists on both ends of the spectrum to fill.

We Ummeerikuns did a lot to create this mess. I have yet to see anyone in authority figure that out and come up with a plan to undo it - if such a thing is even possible.

 

[beachnut]

After the 28 pages, what is the next big smoking gun for 9/11 truth

What has changed now that 9/11 truth has the 28 pages? What is the next big smoking gun failure for 9/11 truth?
I don't see how any Saudi in America on a visa is not supported with money from Saudi Arabia. The reason funding was not a big issue is due to the fact the 19 terrorists did not buy Boeing jets for millions of dollars, or buy material to make bomb, they bought 5 dollar knives, airline tickets, and received funding for student activities, and living - what most Saudis get during their stay in the USA.

What has changed for 9/11 truth - is the next big BS smoking gun the WTC 7 study by the 9/11 truth professor in Alaska?

Who put the VP in the chain of command on 911 when jimd3100 said the president deserted his post...?

... Perhaps you should be spending more time learning your 3 branches of Government and military chain of command ...

Me? I suffered though most of the military studies avalable. I was playing gullible 9/11 truth fellow, as you told me the VP was in the chain of command on 9/11.
You said -

the President of the United States, ... deserted his post - jimd3100

Thus you claim the VP was in the chain, kind of like your shoot down means stand down BS you were pushing, and has become your legacy on the Internet.

After the 28 pages, how is your claim Israel did 911, caused the stand down, and allowed the Pentagon to be attacked; how is that going, or did you drop Israel did it yet?

Quick review on the chain of command... I was already schooled on the chain of command and there were enough clues to know I suffered through AS 109/110/209/210/309/310/409/410 - included National Security Policy, for a total of 16 symester hours of military/aeorspace studies. And then did SOS (8-11 weeks of leadership training), Air Command and Staff, and Air War College, all three in coorispondance, and SOS in residence.
https://www.registrar.clemson.edu/publicat/prevcats/0102/sections/coi/as.htm
I thought you would understand you put the VP in the chain with your claim the president deserted his post...

desert their posts and leave the VP in charge. - jimd3100

Amazingly you put the VP in the chain by claiming the president deserted his post (if you knew the president deserted, then so did the generals, logic), yet you then claim the VP is not in chain when the president deserted his post... which really means the president did not desert his post, and you make up a lot of BS which is left on the Internet forever. "technically", a poor prank on my part, to tease you with the chain of command... so the president deserted his post? Responding to my prank, my BS taints your claims as BS. Did I tell you I was pilot... or an engineer... who cares.

You are the one who "technically" made the VP part of the NCA, in the chain when you left your legacy of BS on the Internet when you were so sure the

the President of the United States, ... deserted his post - jimd3100

... don't you know the order of succession? Your fantasy version of 9/11 you freely posted has the VP in charge with your claim the president deserted. So much for the long drawn out chain of command failure on your part to stand by your "president deserted his post" BS. Do you stand by anything you say? Israel did it? Etc, etc, etc.f

How has the release of the 28 pages changed things for you and 9/11 truth? I am impressed with the BS about shoot-down/stand-down you spread around the internet, the logic is nonsense when you realize the Air Force/NORAD can take action based on the event. Big Hint, the airliners stopped being airliners when the terrorists took over, they then became weapons of mass destruction with hostages in a terrorist attack. Flight 93 Passengers figured out they could "break the law" and try to take back the plane, they thus put themselves in chain of command, as could USAF pilots, commanders, and civilians. Who posted this?

no one else in the chain of command has the authority to take such action except in self-defense.

Were you spreading a lie the president deserted his post. Do you see how this makes your claims, or conclusions on most everything suspect, you can't make up your mind as you blame Israel, or people you can't name as trators. What claims should people believe from you, when you claim there was melted steel you can't provide evidence for. etc. etc. etc.

the President of the United States, ... deserted his post - jimd3100

I thought for sure you would explain the VP had to be in the chain, you said the president deserted... were you BSing that.

Who told Flight 93 Passengers to stand up and take action?

no one else in the chain of command has the authority to take such action except in self-defense.

And then we have the catch all, which puts everyone into the chain of command, and what the Flight 93 Passengers used on 9/11, freewill, and knowledge. Will you charge the Passengers of Flight 93 with breaking the chain of command.

But back to the 28 pages, what has changed for you and 9/11 truth? It appears nothing has changed. What will be the next smoking gun for 9/11 truth, now that 28 pages were released. There will always be some BS smoking gun like the 28 pages pushed by 9/11 truth.

Did the 28 pages help you identify them?

Time will tell on the traitors. - jimd3100

Got some names for the traitors? Israel? Can you go back and fix the BS?

 

[LSSBB]

Yeah Beachy, but did you do JPME Phase I or Phase II ? Well, didja?




Well, I only did phase I...

 

[No Other]

Wahabi Sunni Saudi Arabia is also an important check in the region against the ambitions of revolutionary Shia Iran.

If you made this statement prior to 9/11 it could have value but since 9/11 the Shia Community have been targets of the USA policy in the ME and targets of Sunni militarism. Look at the Taliban (Sunni), Saudi Arabia (Sunni) bombing another country's (Yemen) Shia population, Turkey and ISIS (Sunni) invading Syria (Ruled by Alawites which is Shia). Actually, the Sunni's are conducting a textbook ethnic cleansing operation but it is not being labeled as one.

 

[jimd3100]

Who put the VP in the chain of command on 911 when jimd3100 said the president deserted his post...?

No One. That's why his orders were not passed on to the pilots.

you told me the VP was in the chain of command on 9/11.
You said -
Quote:
the President of the United States, ... deserted his post - jimd3100

I never said the VP was in the chain of command. You did. This is just a pathetic attempt at "explaining yourself" i.e. "if the president deserted his post then the VP is in command" no he's not in command, The president is, but the commander in chief is not giving orders...the VP is...which is why I say he deserted his post. Because that's what I would have been charged with. Later. Why later? Because If I walk off a post I don't magically and instantaneously get charged with and found guilty of deserting my post.

Thus you claim the VP was in the chain

No, that was you

your shoot down means stand down BS

Already shown that is you again

After the 28 pages, how is your claim Israel did 911, caused the stand down, and allowed the Pentagon to be attacked; how is that going, or did you drop Israel did it yet?

At this point it has become obvious that the moderation on this board has decided that anything can be said about forum member "jimd3100" with no repercussions, or consequences.

January 12, 2008
I don't have an opinion on the towers other than I would assume 110 stories disintegrating into nothing would be kinda loud. I have a theory on how the wreckage and DNA showed a plane crashed at the Pentagon, and it's this. A plane crashed at the Pentagon. That might bug some people but not me.
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=19852.msg84368#msg84368

I was never a pentagon no planer either, but my first posts on this forum was to defend against BS slander made against me as seen here.....

However--I will be looking forward to my award, and will use it as proof of your horrible research abilities.

Get your facts straight.

At the very same time I was trying to get truthers to stop the no plane at the pentagon BS This forum awarded me a stundie for being a pentagon no planer. Congratulations. You've topped yourselves.

Now I'm a Nazi anti-semite?

December 08, 2007
Bin Laden-NOT CIA. Bin Laden a PROVEN Saudi Intelligence agent.
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=17400.msg66664#msg66664

Why am I saying this 9 years ago? If "how is your claim Israel did 911, caused the stand down, and allowed the Pentagon to be attacked; how is that going, or did you drop Israel did it yet?" made any sense and was true?

February 28, 2008
Saudi Arabian Intelligence is involved in 9/11. The U.S. government at the very highest levels are protecting them.
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=28981.msg116573#msg116573

How does that statement made over 8 years ago equate to me saying "Israel did 911, caused the stand down, and allowed the Pentagon to be attacked"?

I find it outrageous that I have to defend myself against Beachnuts idiotic incompetent "background check" on me.

"how is your claim Israel did 911, caused the stand down, and allowed the Pentagon to be attacked; how is that going, or did you drop Israel did it yet?"

- BeachNutCase

Did you not realize I am denouncing the the disinformation of Jews being pre-warned?

April 07, 2008
..let me quote you..."four thousand Jews staying away from the WTC on the day, warned by a Hebrew language internet messaging service"...LOL..what a buffoon, you are mixing the Odigo warning with a Jerusalem Post article mentioning the number of Jews believed to live in the area...in short you don't know what you're talking about. That BS 4000 Jew thing is garbage that debunkers and shills use Against 9/11 truth. You have been exposed...either as an idiot or a shill.
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=33714.msg145434#msg145434

Why would this mean "Israel did 9-11"?

8 years ago I'm posting on the Saudis mentioned in the 28 pages, being covered up -not Israel......

December 20, 2008
And who was this person al-Bayoumi met at the Saudi Consulate before picking up the alleged hijackers? It is well documented that it was Fahad al Thumairy. Investigators asked al Thumairy about his connection with these hijackers and al-Bayoumi. The Saudi Government refused to let investigators interview him alone.......
...Because our fearless king is a traitor who is protecting Saudi Arabia.
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=51281.msg419953#msg419953

Saudi Arabia is not Israel, or Zionists.

How is this a claim that Israel did 9/11? -

"how is your claim Israel did 911, caused the stand down, and allowed the Pentagon to be attacked; how is that going, or did you drop Israel did it yet?"

- BeachNutCase

In 2009
There are some who want to blame the Jews for 9/11. There is nothing we can do about that, other than point them out and say "they don't speak for me".
http://911blogger.com/news/2009-11-19/zihop-limited-hangout-danse#comment-222105

"how is your claim Israel did 911, caused the stand down, and allowed the Pentagon to be attacked; how is that going, or did you drop Israel did it yet?" - BeachNutCase

March 24, 2010
The Israel loving Neocons with assistance from Prince Bandar and his connections with Saudi Intelligence who funneled money to the brainwashed jihadi nutjobs thank everyone who want to say the jews did it. Everyone knows Israel was the big benefactor of 9-11 hell Cheney admits it in this eye opening interview.....
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=151482.msg976152#msg976152
but to say they did it just helps out the traitors in our own Government
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=163726.msg977340#msg977340

You had to have passed over a lot of this type stuff looking for "the goods" on me. Did you miss it? That I'm saying the Jews didn't do 9-11? That it was "brainwashed jihadi nutjobs"? That I'm trying to get people to stop blaming Israel/Jews when it's obvious Muslims were involved? There was never a time I denied there were hijackers and never a time I denied they were Islamic Radical terrorists.

In 2012 I spent 9 pages debating someone on Shure's forum who was promoting what you are accusing me of...

Feb 28 2012
I guess you are to stupid to realize that it was you not me that brought Randy Glass into the argument that Zionists did 9-11.
http://s1.zetaboards.com/pumpitout/single/?p=1051792&t=4860150

Why am I debating someone supporting "Israel did 9-11" in 2012 on Shure's forum? If that is my own stance? Because you spread disinformation.

Mar 4 2012
Their report was finished in Dec of 2002. But you don't want to see it because it ruins your Jews did 9-11 BS, just like it ruined Bush's "Iraq was linked to Al Qaeda" BS.
http://s1.zetaboards.com/pumpitout/single/?p=1052518&t=4860150

Jul 4 2012
I'm no fan of Zionism, so why am I debating in 2012 someone that claims Zionists did 9-11?

I'm bright enough to know that Al Qaeda is made up of crazy religious fruitcakes who are not Zionists.
http://s1.zetaboards.com/pumpitout/single/?p=1069820&t=4860150

Because your witch hunt and slander against me are BS. And the following post by me after my adversary claimed Daniel Lewin was "in on it" makes no sense if your accusation is true.....

You make the accusation because of racism, there is no evidence for the accusation. The evidence suggests Lewin was murdered in a heroic action. You can't deal with the evidence due to racism so you substitute it with embarrassing and stupid conspiracy theories such as fake phone calls.

Provide evidence Lewin was a mass murdering monster, and I'll provide the evidence you are disgracing the first known victim of 9/11, who tried to prevent the hijacking.
http://s1.zetaboards.com/pumpitout/single/?p=1070374&t=4860150

Your "background check" on me was obviously done to find a "gotcha!" How many of these do I have to post to show you had to dig deep and ignore much before finding what you consider to be a gotcha? How is this not worse than any "quote-mining ever done by anyone on this forum?

This section of the pp forum is "speculating" and discussion. You do know what Faux means right?

"Faux Controversies and Case Studies"

André Gsponer writes lots of stuff and is the founder of an impressive sounding "Independent Scientific Research Institute" in Switzerland. Problem is this impressive Research institute is most likely Gsponers den in his house. Perhaps I'm wrong

On the other hand I frankly don't have a problem with you trying to tell the world nukes were at the WTC. And just because some folks feel proving the towers disintegrating in less than 10 seconds is proof enough, doesn't mean everyone should feel that way, and if you think you've proven they were nuked good for you. It's just that I'm not going to tell people WTC building 7 was nuked, because I don't believe it was, and it makes me sound like a loon. As for the towers, if 7 wasn't nuked I'm leaning toward the towers weren't either, but if they were I can't prove it, and Gsponers' science and Mr Wards here sound like gobbledygook to me, but that's just because I'm not a Nuclear Scientist. I doubt Mr Ward is too, but again.....whatever, do your work, publish it, call us gatekeepers and whatever, I do have to say Ward is one of the biggest drama queens I've seen in a while
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=81615.msg532588#msg532588

There are different areas of the forum this also is in that section, where I was responding to another post. None of that are stuff that I am promoting as happened, or real. I've barely ever commented on the wtc, people's beliefs and knowledge change over time depending on information they are aware of -everyone knows this- former "9-11 truthers" on this very forum are proof of that, and your willingness to destroy Oysteins thread to attempt to paint me as a Nazi anti-semite is proof of how far you are willing to go to avoid the OP topics to character assassinate instead. I've never said or believed "Israel did 9-11". And if I did believe that (which I never did)it would be irrelevant if it was not believed for years. Has nothing to do with the thread, or current events.

Sep 16 2014
This is the bizarre world I live in now, where creating enemies and arming crazies, is supposed to "keep me safe". A cost of the massive failure of "9-11 truth", which focuses on "missiles hitting the pentagon", "Saudis being framed by the Jooos", controlled demolition, holograms, space beams, and other nonsense as the world goes up in flames.
http://s1.zetaboards.com/pumpitout/search/?c=3&mid=1314798&month=9&year=2014

Are we to believe you didn't realize what the following post is saying....

April 20, 2016
However, in 9-11 truther conspiracy land.....you know...the land where Islamic terrorists don't exist, and all evil emanates from Zionist Jews, and their old Goyim white American conspiracy partners who devise ways of framing nice innocent Muslims? In this land of make believe, that Barrett promotes, makes the nice innocent Muslims of Saudi Arabia with all their Oil the next target, in this, years in the making, well planned out, convoluted incredibly risky, and somewhat stupid conspiracy,.......these darn pages that were kept from them expose Saudi Arabia, and now finally......they can go to war against the REAL evil doers. The 9-11 End Game the Zionists and their white American slaves devised years ago. All Muslims are innocent and not involved. Or....so the Conspiracy Theory goes.
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=254040.msg1593478#msg1593478

Are we to believe you didn't realize I'm mocking the conspiracy theory that Muslims were framed for 9-11?

Your witch hunt/background check on me shows how desperate you are to avoid current issues, and are more focused on character assisnation. You've exposed yourself as rather dispicable

In 2016 Beachnut is allowed to say I claim Israel did 9-11. Why is that allowed?

How many of these do I have to post to show you had to dig deep and ignore much before finding what you consider to be a gotcha?

I thought you would understand you put the VP in the chain with your claim the president deserted his post...

Nope. That's you again trying to explain how you lied about the VP being in the military chain of command, or maybe you're just stupid. It's hard to tell.

Amazingly you put the VP in the chain by claiming the president deserted his post (if you knew the president deserted, then so did the generals, logic),

No-it's not amazing at all. The VP is not in the Military chain of command, the President was not dead or incapacitated, and yet the VP is acting as commander in chief on 9-11. That's why I say The President deserted his post. What you are claiming is the VP has taken the place of the President since he "deserted his post", Now you claim... "I was playing gullible 9/11 truth fellow," as your excuse for lying about the VP in the Military chain of command. After all(according to you)it's only logical that if I knew the President "deserted his post" then obviously the Generals knew. LOL! Logical? (if you knew the president deserted, then so did the generals, logic), it's not logic-it's retarded. I was in bed 2000 miles away when that happened. I didn't call the Generals on 9-11 to tell them the President has just deserted his post and left the VP in charge. No one else did that either. Logic instead tells us the reason they didn't pass on the VP orders to the pilots is because he is not in the chain of command and they are waiting for their Commander in chief to take action. In vain....

Everyone knew, though, that a shoot-down would require authorization from the top.
"I don't know," said Technical Sergearnt Watson, on the line to the FAA, but somebody's gotta get the President going." "I'm amazed," responded the operations manager at New York Center. "that we're not at a higher level of Defcon readiness already."
https://books.google.com/books?id=i...&q="It was 9:30 by then" eleventh day&f=false

That was after both towers had been hit and the Pentagon was several minutes away from the next hit.

Logic says anyone that listens to you listens to lies bs and disinformation-(if you knew the president deserted, then so did the generals, logic) I was in bed 2000 miles away-So what did the Generals know....based on this testimony -logic tells us you are full of crap---

GEN. ARNOLD: That is correct. In fact, the American Airlines 77, if we were to have arrived overhead at that particular point, I don't think that we would have shot that aircraft down.

MR. HAMILTON: Because?

GEN. ARNOLD: Well, we had not been given authority --

MR. HAMILTON: You didn't have authority at that point.
http://www.9-11commission.gov/archive/hearing2/9-11Commission_Hearing_2003-05-23.htm

MR. BEN-VENISTE: What efforts were made that day to contact the president to seek that authority?

GEN. ARNOLD: I do not know.
http://www.9-11commission.gov/archive/hearing2/9-11Commission_Hearing_2003-05-23.htm

You are the one who "technically" made the VP part of the NCA

No-that was you again, as you pathetically try to explain why you consider the VP in the Military chain of command and part of the NCA-which he is not. Nobody deputized him and nobody ever claimed he was deputized, because he wasn't.

... don't you know the order of succession?

The President was not dead on 9-11 so the question is not relevant. But I do, and I also know the difference between the Military chain of command and succession.

you freely posted has the VP in charge with your claim the president deserted. So much for the long drawn out chain of command failure on your part to stand by your "president deserted his post" BS. Do you stand by anything you say? Israel did it? Etc, etc,

The "So much for the long drawn out chain of command failure on your part to stand by your "president deserted his post" BS." is pathetic. What you are now saying is....."If the President-as you say-deserted his post-then the VP would then be in the NCA and in the military chain of command" HAAAA! Therefor, I- beachnutcase have officially Gotcha!"

No-just BS drival on your part. Of course we all know the President was never convicted of desertion or even charged, but he still obviously deserted his post-that's why Cheney was giving the orders to the military on 9-11.

the logic is nonsense when you realize the Air Force/NORAD can take action based on the event.

Everyone has a right to self-defense. A pilot does not have the right to murder hundreds of civilians if he is ordered not to.

Flight 93 Passengers figured out they could "break the law" and try to take back the plane, they thus put themselves in chain of command, as could USAF pilots, commanders, and civilians.

The passengers broke no law in trying to save their own lives and were never in any military chain of command.

Were you spreading a lie the president deserted his post.

I can prove the VP was acting as commander in chief of the armed forces on 9/11. Provide proof the President was giving orders to the military on 9-11. If he wasn't then he deserted his post. The excuse of "poor communications" is BS like "the wall" He communicated several times with the VP, and Rice and finally Sec of Defense but not to give any military orders. He doesn't remember what he talked to Rumsfeld about, and Rumsfeld doesn't remember either.

“The President apparently spoke to Secretary Rumsfeld for the first time that morning shortly after 10:00. No one can recall the content of this conversation, but it was a brief call in which the subject of shootdown authority was NOT discussed.”

- 911 commission

you blame Israel, or people you can't name as trators.

You slander and lie.

What claims should people believe from you, when you claim there was melted steel you can't provide evidence for. etc. etc. etc.

I wasn't writing articles like these...

It's articles like this that claim there was melted steel and for years now I left wtc talk to others, I never worked at the BBC or fox news...

Instead of the steel girders of the towers lasting up to four hours before melting, the steel frames of One World Trade Center lasted only one hour and forty minutes, while the steel frames of Two World Trade Center lasted just 56 minutes before collapsing.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2001/09/14/asbestos-could-have-saved-wtc-lives.html

How the World Trade Center fell

"But steel melts, and 24,000 gallons (91,000 litres) of aviation fluid melted the steel. Nothing is designed or will be designed to withstand that fire."

Once the steel frame on one floor had melted, it collapsed downwards, inflicting massive forces on the already-weakened floor below.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/1540044.stm

I thought for sure you would explain the VP had to be in the chain, you said the president deserted...

No-that's your pathetic attempt at explaining why the VP is in the military chain of command. He isn't.

Who told Flight 93 Passengers to stand up and take action?

Stupid question

And then we have the catch all, which puts everyone into the chain of command, and what the Flight 93 Passengers used on 9/11, freewill, and knowledge. Will you charge the Passengers of Flight 93 with breaking the chain of command.

No I will not charge the passengers of flight 93 with breaking the chain of command because it is not relevant to them and is a rather stupid question. As for knowledge this General knew that planes were flying into buildings...

GEN. ARNOLD: That is correct. In fact, the American Airlines 77, if we were to have arrived overhead at that particular point, I don’t think that we would have shot that aircraft down.

MR. HAMILTON: Because?

GEN. ARNOLD: Well, we had not been given authority –
http://www.9-11commission.gov/archive/hearing2/9-11Commission_Hearing_2003-05-23.htm

Got some names for the traitors? Israel?

I need to take a shower. It's filthy in here. Are we now allowed to post anything we want on any topic in any thread? Did I miss a memo?

 

[beachnut]

...
I need to take a shower. ..?

Can a shower erase 8 years of misleading nonsense, and a legacy of 9/11 truth woo. PrisonPlanet... woo

The 28 pages reveal Bush was with the terrorists. Some are practically members of his family. - jimd3100

What have the 28 pages changed for you and 9/11 truth?

 

[Mark F]

If you made this statement prior to 9/11 it could have value but since 9/11 the Shia Community have been targets of the USA policy in the ME and targets of Sunni militarism. Look at the Taliban (Sunni), Saudi Arabia (Sunni) bombing another country's (Yemen) Shia population, Turkey and ISIS (Sunni) invading Syria (Ruled by Alawites which is Shia). Actually, the Sunni's are conducting a textbook ethnic cleansing operation but it is not being labeled as one.

Which illustrates my point, it doesn't refute it - and doesn't explain how/why the U.S. installed and supported a Shia dominated and highly sectarian government in Iraq post 2003.

Prior to 2003 secular Iraq was the check on both the Saudi's and (Shia) Iran. Now with Iraq out of the way you have Iran vastly extending its influence there as well as Syria and of course in Yemen as well. The Saudi's by the same token are also funding the spread of Wahabism throughout the region. All of this was made possible by the U.S. led invasion of Iraq in 2003.

 

[No Other]

Which illustrates my point, it doesn't refute it - and doesn't explain how/why the U.S. installed and supported a Shia dominated and highly sectarian government in Iraq post 2003.

Prior to 2003 secular Iraq was the check on both the Saudi's and (Shia) Iran. Now with Iraq out of the way you have Iran vastly extending its influence there as well as Syria and of course in Yemen as well. The Saudi's by the same token are also funding the spread of Wahabism throughout the region. All of this was made possible by the U.S. led invasion of Iraq in 2003.

I completely agree with your observations. Foreign intervention has only served the purposes of the foreign companies/countries. The Saudi's are doing their level best to spread Wahabism and with that, this mass destruction is taking place.

Our State Department is not the brightest; when they prevented the old Baath Party members from holding offices in the new Iraq Government, it spelled doom over Iraq. The vacuum created allowed opposition groups to be created and with the creation came a lot experience in how to run a country... and then we wonder how ISIS came into existence.

What I worry about the most are the Kurds.

 

[Georgio]

@beachnut - I haven't read through the thread properly yet so my apologies if I'm missing something, but you haven't addressed jimd3100's objections about your strongly implying that he thinks 'Israel did 911' - from reading his latest post it would appear he doesn't think that and you were quote mining.

 

[beachnut]

@beachnut - I haven't read through the thread properly yet so my apologies if I'm missing something, but you haven't addressed jimd3100's objections about your strongly implying that he thinks 'Israel did 911' - from reading his latest post it would appear he doesn't think that and you were quote mining.

I was trying to find out what changed with the 28 pages, and finally found...
..., now Bush did 9/11...

The 28 pages reveal Bush was with the terrorists. Some are practically members of his family. http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=254040.40

PrisonPlanet is about equal to or worse than Gage's lies and nonsense. lol, qoute mined from his signature block... not sure you know what quote mining means.

Once he said Israel did it...

Israel involved in 911 attacks? Could Israel have NORAD stand down? Could Israel allow the pentagon to be attacked? Could Israel know exercises were occuring on the same day as 911? Actually the answer to all these is yes. I started to wake up to reality when I looked at who was running the pentagon. And I discovered it had been taken over by people working for Israel. Feith, wolfowitcz, Pearl it goes on and on. Would Israel attack America with immunity? The answer is Yes.

Quote mining? No, this is what is on the Internet now, and will be for a long time. A legacy of woo, like Gage, and 9/11 truth. BS based on political bias, hate, and failed paranoid logic. How could Israel allow the attack on the Pentagon? it is BS. What does Israel and exercises have to do with 9/11? Nothing, more BS.

He thinks steel melted (or has no clue his posts supported the melted steel fantasy), how can he retract the lies and nonsense which exist as the day they were posted on the Internet? The no evidence BS continues, as no Bush is with the terrorists due to the 28 pages.

The 28 pages reveal Bush was with the terrorists. Some are practically members of his family. - jimd3100

Quote mining? Look up what quote mining means. This is what jimd3100 thinks.

What has changed with the 28 pages?

 

[Georgio]

Quote mining? Look up what quote mining means. This is what jimd3100 thinks.

Thanks for the clarification. I think you're right about my use of the term 'quote mining', 'misrepresenting' would have been better. However, your clarification seems to show that you weren't doing either. I apologize.

Not sure what to think now - wonder what jimd3100 will say...