No, just read what I have written.
The 100% Impossible 9/11 Inside Job
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twinstead
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seriously? That's ALL you need to come to those earth-shattering conclusions? You obviously fancy yourself to be some kind of Sherlock Holmes. Congratulations.
Seriously, sweet Mrs. Watson.
Any other explanation? May be something like any Alomari knows an Atta.
Or the FBI just forgot about the passport for 3 years.
Well, anything is possible since pilot uniforms in a bag can change into a wedding suit.
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Why from the cockpit?
Was al-Suqami in the cockpit at the time of the impact? How do you know?
ETA: And where was his passport? Was he carrying it? How do you know?
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And this means what for the accepted story?
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I could simply turn the tables and say since you have no evidence anything was fabricated, there are indeed other explanations. Your goal should be to get some positive evidence of fabrication instead of just assuming it was based on your "investigation".
Of course, Oystein is ultimately right with his, "and this means what for the accepted story?", so why even bother?
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Got any evidence for that ridiculous claim?
"You have a small dog and have recently returned from vacation. I saw the small dog hairs and you still have a tan. Therefore conspiracy."
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1. The FBI reported the Suqami passport was found near the Towers not what street it was found on, by a pedestrian who gave it to a NYPD detective, before any of the collapses.
Thousands of pieces of debris from the Flt 11 impact found on the street including a Flt 11 plane seat cushion, larger than the passport.
2. So the passport contained some altered and manipulated stamps meant to hide Al Qaeda trips. If the government had altered the passport it would not have produced it as evidence, or would have produced a clean one. TLHistory of Suqami passport and immigration history. http://www.cis.org/9-11-Suqami
3. Some parking space issues.
Is this the best you got proving an inside job?
Un gran fracaso.
TL Truther logic. If they can use it so can I.
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Paperclip began in August, 1945
The CIA wasn't founded until two years later.
Please, continue.
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This has been proven to be total crap. Get the most current evidence or take the derison that is coming to you. Harley Guy is a free lance reporter who sometimes works for Fox. He talks the way I do. He has probably covered more fires than any five twoofers and probably has a far better grasp of fire science than any twenty of them. It's part of his job to be articulate when everybody else is freaking out.
I don't know what you think this proves.
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Thank you. I figured we might be dealing with a Christian Identity type. They are a constant background noise in Da Twoof.
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I also took some time to Google Gary Welz. He looks less like Tony Arrigio than Humphrie does Mark Walsh.
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No news. It can. But it cannot escape from the cockpit throughout the tail. Nonsense!
I'm not paranoid. You are. You are afraid that someone will take your daisies away and your white wooden fence.
What's about the Atta parking lot of Mr. Rahman Alomari? (little help: 1+1=2)
Therefore, the WTC passport is "manipulated in the same fraudulent way".
Suqami was one of the "muscle" hijackers; he wasn't the pilot. Why do you assume that he was in the cockpit? Further, why do you assume that his passport wasn't in his carry-on, or in a jacket that he might have removed and left at his seat?
ETA: pgimeno beat me to it.
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Yes, why is it important?
Be explicit, please. Do you have any hard proof of something? Or are you just asking questions?
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Much of the most recent discussion hinges on the veracity of Suqami's passport having been originally found on Vesey Street, which indeed runs north of the towers and which, if true, would indeed be doubly strange: Finding a passport unscathed is a little miracle in itself (though some of these kinds of "miracles" of unlikely things happening are expected with almost mathematical certainty when you have millions of individual objects undergoing plenty of events), but finding it upwind and against the moment vector of the plane is totally surprising.
So what evidence do we have it's true?
Basically, achimspok layed it out in post 768:
CNN reported on TV on or after saturday, 9/15:
The same info as text from the CNN website on sunday, 9/16:
achimspok also links a screenshot, from this CNN website article of tuesday, 9/18/2001 (although the URL hints at a day earlier):
This mentions Vesey Street:
In post 794, achimspok quotes more news sources (I'll leave away those I already quoted above):
Taking all these reports together, the informnation we can gather from news sources around 9/17/2001 converges thus:
An passport belonging to a yet unidentified hijacker was found by a passerby to the north or south of Vesey street about three blocks away from the WTC.
According to achimspok, that story "changes" later to:
Added information is details about the passerby (male, about 30, business attire), identity of the NYPD Detective (Yuk H. Chin), and time (shortly before the first tower, WTC2, collapsed).
Subtracted information here is location: No mention of "several" or "three blocks", no mention of "Vesey".
I think quite important is the info that the passerby left before his identity was determined.
But is it possible that the passport was found three blocks away from the crash site in the vicinity of Vesey Street?
Let's look at a map of downtown Manhattan:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Vesey...rc=6&hnear=Vesey+St,+New+York,+10282&t=m&z=17
We see that Vesey Street ends one block east of Church Street (and becomes Ann Street), which was the eastern perimeter of the crash site, WTC Plaza, and one block west of West Street (where Vesey Green separates it from the riverfront).
So obviously, the press reports that mention Vesey Street were imprecise.
Vesey Street doesn't run east-west parallel to the equator, it rather goes from WNW to ESE. A location arounf Fulton St. and West Broadway could reasonably described as "blocks from the crash site in the vicinity of Vesey". That location is west and slightly south of the North Tower.
The winds were not blowing from due north, as achimspok claimed. Here is a high resolution image taken from the ISS on the morning of 9/11, before the collapses:
http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/station/crew-3/hires/iss003e5387.jpg
The smoke cloud passes just south of the Brooklyn bridge, almost parallel to the Streets on the lower Manhattan grid. A passport that made it just out of the tower and was then caught by the wind would have fluttered towards Fulton or John Street, just south of Vesey. No need to bounce north.
But was the passport found by the passerby in the vicinity of Vesey Street? Is that what he said? We don't know, unless we read the "FBI report, interview of Detective Chin, Sept. 12, 2001" mentioned in the footnote. Maybe Chin was near Vesey, maybe the passerby never stated comprehensively where he picked up the passport. Maybe he didn't remember correctly.
Conclusion:
The early and later reports about Suqami's passport are neither in contradiction of each other, nor do they contain any claims that are physically impossible.
So what evidence do we have it's true?
Basically, achimspok layed it out in post 768:
CNN reported on TV on or after saturday, 9/15:
No direction or street name given, the focus here is on it having been found "blocks" away.
The same info as text from the CNN website on sunday, 9/16:
achimspok also links a screenshot, from this CNN website article of tuesday, 9/18/2001 (although the URL hints at a day earlier):
This mentions Vesey Street:
i.e. not on Vesey Street, but more likely to the north or south of it!
In post 794, achimspok quotes more news sources (I'll leave away those I already quoted above):
We don't know the date of the ABC quote, there is no deep link, and a quick search on the ABC website turned up empty.
Taking all these reports together, the informnation we can gather from news sources around 9/17/2001 converges thus:
An passport belonging to a yet unidentified hijacker was found by a passerby to the north or south of Vesey street about three blocks away from the WTC.
According to achimspok, that story "changes" later to:
This is not actually from the 9/11 Commission Report but from 9/11 Commission Staff Statements: http://www.9-11commission.gov/staff_statements/911_TerrTrav_Ch2.pdfachimspok said:9/11 Commission Report:
Added information is details about the passerby (male, about 30, business attire), identity of the NYPD Detective (Yuk H. Chin), and time (shortly before the first tower, WTC2, collapsed).
Subtracted information here is location: No mention of "several" or "three blocks", no mention of "Vesey".
I think quite important is the info that the passerby left before his identity was determined.
But is it possible that the passport was found three blocks away from the crash site in the vicinity of Vesey Street?
Let's look at a map of downtown Manhattan:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Vesey...rc=6&hnear=Vesey+St,+New+York,+10282&t=m&z=17
We see that Vesey Street ends one block east of Church Street (and becomes Ann Street), which was the eastern perimeter of the crash site, WTC Plaza, and one block west of West Street (where Vesey Green separates it from the riverfront).
So obviously, the press reports that mention Vesey Street were imprecise.
Vesey Street doesn't run east-west parallel to the equator, it rather goes from WNW to ESE. A location arounf Fulton St. and West Broadway could reasonably described as "blocks from the crash site in the vicinity of Vesey". That location is west and slightly south of the North Tower.
The winds were not blowing from due north, as achimspok claimed. Here is a high resolution image taken from the ISS on the morning of 9/11, before the collapses:
http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/station/crew-3/hires/iss003e5387.jpg
The smoke cloud passes just south of the Brooklyn bridge, almost parallel to the Streets on the lower Manhattan grid. A passport that made it just out of the tower and was then caught by the wind would have fluttered towards Fulton or John Street, just south of Vesey. No need to bounce north.
But was the passport found by the passerby in the vicinity of Vesey Street? Is that what he said? We don't know, unless we read the "FBI report, interview of Detective Chin, Sept. 12, 2001" mentioned in the footnote. Maybe Chin was near Vesey, maybe the passerby never stated comprehensively where he picked up the passport. Maybe he didn't remember correctly.
Conclusion:
The early and later reports about Suqami's passport are neither in contradiction of each other, nor do they contain any claims that are physically impossible.
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Ignoring the bizarre claim that the passport exited through the tail of the plane, do you know what this is?
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It wasn't.