The 100% Impossible 9/11 Inside Job

[achimspok]

Are you the one saying the terrorists were too small to attack others and cut throats, surprise someone and cut their throat to disable them? Think about it, you are doing your job, facing forward, strapped in with shoulder harness and seatbelt, and a blitz attack, a little murderer, cuts your throat, from behind, the best way to do it; remember, the murderers practiced cutting throats...

There is room for more than 7 in the cockpit (some people call the terrorist small, so you can fit more). Two pilots were DEAD. Dead people can be stuff into the corner of the cockpit, behind the seats, or moved to first class galley. Failure again, grasshopper.

Living hijacker? LOL, big failure grasshopper.

There is no evidence where the passport was found. Failure, grasshopper, is on you like thorns on rose bush...

When you travel in foreign countries, you carry your passport with you, able to produce it on request. You don't get out much. You lack knowledge in many areas.

The fact is, objects in aircraft are able to survive massive kinetic energy impacts. You failed grasshopper. Better luck next time.

I wrote "living and innocent pilot Abdul Rahman as hijacker".
The hijacker was Abdul Aziz allegedly. LOL, big failure bug.

Well, there is no evidence at all. There is just the word of the FBI chief. Failure, bug, is on you like flies on a rotten banana...

I guess, the passports had to be somewhere in the airplane.

How many passports were found? Hope I've better luck next time.

 

[beachnut]

I wrote "living and innocent pilot Abdul Rahman as hijacker".
The hijacker was Abdul Aziz allegedly. LOL, big failure bug.

Well, there is no evidence at all. There is just the word of the FBI chief. Failure, bug, is on you like flies on a rotten banana...

How many passports? Hope I've better luck next time.

Why can't you answer questions. You have no clue where the passport was found, so you make up the flew backward claim. Plus, you never did the aero work to show a passport can't "fly" backward... got physics? Need some EOM for passport flight?

You have no idea how big a 767 cockpit is.
You have no clue where the dead pilots were put, or they would fit in the cockpit with the terrorists.
You have no clue objects can survive aircraft impacts. You don't care, you like your failed opinions, and can't support them.

You make up doubt out of ignorance and waste no time doing research.

 

[achimspok]

I can't believe you guys still fall for achimspok's babble.

All you have to do is look at this video to figure out how something lite in the now shreadded airplane could end up (near) Vasey St.



Anyone want to guess?

Hint: The plane traveled over Vasey St.

That's funny!
YES, the plane traveled over Vasey St. and into the tower.
Is there some office paper after 3psi overpressure in that video?
Wow.

I should ignore your babble.

 

[achimspok]

You have no clue where the passport was found, so you make up the flew backward claim. Plus, you never did the aero work to show a passport can't "fly" backward... got physics?

LOL. Tell me about your passports fly against the wind aerodynamics.

Btw, I have no clue if Suqami was in the plane. I just have the word of the FBI.

 

[LSSBB]

LOL. Tell me about your passports fly against the wind aerodynamics.

Btw, I have no clue if Suqami was in the plane. I just have the word of the FBI.

You just totally blew off Oysein demolishing your passport argument in the thread, didn't you? Prove the passport couldn't have been found, and show exactly where it was picked up off

 

[beachnut]

LOL. Tell me about your passports fly against the wind aerodynamics.

Btw, I have no clue if Suqami was in the plane. I just have the word of the FBI.

You don't have a clue on much of 911.
Things fly against the wind, you failed to do research. You don't do aero. Example, with no thrust a KC-135 glides nicely at 300 knots, unless your wind is >299 knots, the KC-135 flys backwards... against the wind; you don't seem to like science, math, and physics now.

You failed to read the thread.

Oops, American Airlines says he was on board too. Add them to your list with the FBI of bad guys trying to bring you back to the real world.

Failed research is your game, silly claims the result.

 

[Oystein]

LOL. Tell me about your passports fly against the wind aerodynamics.
...

In Post #1538 I showed, using mostly evidence (and all of the evidence) that you provided earlier in this thread, plus maps, plus satellite image from NASA that clears up the prevailing wind direction that morning, that

• The press reports are imprecise about the location where Suqami's passport was picked up
• That location could very conceivably have been to the east and slightly south of the North Tower
• The wind blew more from west than north at the time
• It is possible for the wind to have blown the passport to a location that can be reasonably described as "[several, or three] blocks away from the crash site" and "in the vicinity of [not on! read the reports carefully!] Vesey Street"
• Given the circumstances under which Detective Chin was given the passport, it is not inconceivable that even that description "in the vicinity of Vesey Street" is simply wrong; several reasons are possible that arise commonly when witnesses with no experience in CSI report something to detective, detective to investigator, investigator to press.
• The story didn't change afterwards. Later reports had added details and left out other, but there is no contradiction

I took your arguments and evidence very seriously and put a lot of effort into analysing them. I kindly ask you to return the favour and have a critical and careful look at my arguments!

 

[Travis]

I would love for someone to explain how the buildings coming down fairly straight is evidence of anything? A steel skyscraper is coming down that way regardless of what initiates the collapse.

 

[Travis]

Oh and since we have some real live Truthers here. Perhaps you all can answer my OP in this thread. It's all about why molten steel should mean anything.

 

[twinstead]

You just totally blew off Oysein demolishing your passport argument in the thread, didn't you? Prove the passport couldn't have been found, and show exactly where it was picked up off

I hope he doesn't think we didn't notice it either

 

[twinstead]

LOL. Tell me about your passports fly against the wind aerodynamics.

Btw, I have no clue if Suqami was in the plane. I just have the word of the FBI.

The preponderance of evidence STRONGLY suggests that your position is untenable. You don't get to deny the complete body of evidence because you don't understand how a passport could have been found or any of your personally incredulity

 

[BasqueArch]

LOL. Tell me about your passports fly against the wind aerodynamics.

Btw, I have no clue if Suqami was in the plane. I just have the word of the FBI.

Looks like the passport angle didn’t work out.
The parking lot thing shows more promise. If you were to show that GWB’s brother, Marvin Bush’s security company towed Atta’s car from the lot you might be onto something.

 

[DGM]

The wind blew more from west than north at the time

Let's not forget the wind direction around tall buildings is not necessarily the same as the prevailing winds.

Frankly, who cares? What would have changed if it was not found? It's not like it's a key piece of evidence.

 

[Travis]

In fact the passport is irrelevant in regards to evidence as there were many other ways to establish who was on the plane.

 

[Oystein]

Let's not forget the wind direction around tall buildings is not necessarily the same as the prevailing winds.

Frankly, who cares. What would have changed if it was not found? It's not like it's a key piece of evidence.

We have photographic evidence for the wind direction that the smoke emenating from the towers was subject to - need to speculate. It seems that near the towers the smoke blew towards 135° from North (i.e. the wind came from due NW). When you drive east on the Streets of lower Manhattan, including Vesey, your heading is about 120°. The angle between both is only 15° - not an insurmountable deviation for a fluttering booklet.

I am not going to speculate where in the plane the passport started its journey, how it left the plane and the building and where and how exactly it travelled to the ground "three blocks away from the crash site" and "in the vicinity of Vesey Street", but given the imprecision of the location indicated in the reports that we have, and the circumstances of how it was picked up by an unidentified passerby who presumably walked an unknown distance to a police officer before handing it over, I do dismiss any claims that it is "impossible" or even "unlikely".

 

[Sabretooth]

That leaves us with motive. Why, assuming there is such a cabal in control of the government, would they want to bring down the WTC by such a complicated method which would require vast resources, considerable numbers of co-conspirators both before, during, and after the fact, and have such an immense risk of exposure, when simpler, more effective, and vastly more secure methods exist and are available to them having equal or even greater impact on our collective consciousness without interrupting the flow of capital into their coffers?

This is the question I would like answered by the Truther movement.

Don't you know? GWB did it to go to war for oil and $$!

 

[atavisms]

That is what is called an opinion.

That is what our tactics reveal. This gradual decade long flow of men and materials. For goodness sakes, within a few weeks of the wars 'end' (we hi-tailed is outta there!) Congress gave these mortal enemies of ours over 3bn US Taxpayer dollars for 'reconstruction aid.' McNamarra himself is quoted (recorded) in an interview saying the Gulf of Tonkin Incident never even happened. That was the whole reason for the war! Wake up... and Look at how History is remembering this evil enemy of ours: (like a hero bc he was. Communism had NOTHING to do with it. Not really anyway.) http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/ho-chi-minh-vietnams-enigma/

And so is that. I see zero evidence for explosives, and I'm guessing here, but I'm likely much more qualified to have that opinion than you are to have yours. Its not thats it impossible for there to have been explosives, its simply that there is no need of them.

You're in the minority in this regard.
Most people see WTC7 coming down and say, 'yeah that looks like an implosion. How could fires cause a building to fall symmetrically at such a rapid rate? That means all of those thousands of connections had to let go in a very systematic way. (for the upper right corner of the building: the first 100' of it's descent is indistinguishable from freefall) when the only time those features have ever been seen (ever) were during implosions? As such, the onus is clearly on anyone saying otherwise. (And seeing as no investigators ever tested for explosives.. why wouldnt they have when these were such destructive events. Just makes no sense.

Fires cause gradual asymmetrical damage. Steels regains its strength when the fuel source burns up... Its absurd. All that energy came from somewhere. And you may not wish to see or accept it being there (Lord knows that is how I felt) but that doesnt change the facts or their implications.

A lot of evidence linked here: http://ajl.smugmug.com/9-11

and be sure and watch: Architects and Engineers Speak Out about 9-11 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lw-jzCfa4eQ
-These people were not paid to do these interviews.
Look at the science NIST has done. (Doesn't share data. It's outrageous!

 

[DGM]

How could fires cause a building to fall symmetrically at such a rapid rate?

It couldn't alone, It takes gravity, time, combined with the design of the building.

Why would you try to deceive like this? No one ever said fire alone did this (except "truthers")


Thanks for playing.

 

[DGM]

.................and be sure and watch: Architects and Engineers Speak Out about 9-11

And Gage made $80K last year telling you what to think. Now who's the "sheeple"?

 

[Oystein]

...
You're in the minority in this regard.
Most people see WTC7 coming down and say, 'yeah that looks like an implosion. ...

and be sure and watch: Architects and Engineers Speak Out about 9-11 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lw-jzCfa4eQ
-These people were not paid to do these interviews.
...

Let's see:

• AE911T represents only about 0.02% of all licensed professional engineers (PE) in the USA
• As I keep showing in another thread, each of their engineers and architects manages to convince one peer to join the bandwaggon on the order of 1 convertee per 10 years.

Apparently, these 1600+ A&E, who make up a tiny tiny fringe of their respective professions, either don't think the issue is important enough to show it to any professional peers, or the evidence they present is utterly - utterly! - unconvincing in the minds of 99%+ of all engineers and architects.

I think you need to reconsider your convictions about "minority" and the sanity of a few doofuses "speaking out" for free while their circus master Gage is cashing in US$ 80,000 a year!