The 100% Impossible 9/11 Inside Job

[Sabretooth]

So you admit it's a possibility. Thanks for playing.

/thread

Holy crap, this is awesome. I haven't seen someone bury their head this far into the sand since Jammy!

 

[Quiproquo]

There's no evidence to support the idea that any amount of external manipulation can turn someone into an unthinking automaton who has no memory of his actions.

You never got high, did you?

 

[chipmunk stew]

Can you please give me a brief summary of the arguments in this thread. Thank you.

I'll just give you the money quote from post #4 in the thread:

In summary, the exercises occurring on September 11 that involved NORAD were “Vigilant Guardian” and “Global Guardian”. According to Myers, these exercise increased the speed with which NORAD responded to the attacks:

These are command post exercises; what that means is that all the battle positions that are normally not filled are indeed filled; so it was an easy transition from an exercise into a real world situation. It actually enhanced the response; otherwise, it would take somewhere between 30 minutes and a couple of hours to fill those positions, those battle stations, with the right staff officers.

(excerpt from Transcript of Representative Cynthia McKinney's Exchange with Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Richard Myers, and Under Secretary of Defense (Comptroller) Tina Jonas March 11th, 2005)​

 

[DGM]

Can you please give me a brief summary of the arguments in this thread. Thank you.

Why, Are you in a hurry to find the facts (truth)?

 

[Quiproquo]

How many "simulations" actually took place?

You tell me, I have a feeling you are just dying to inform me about what you know.

 

[Quiproquo]

Why, Are you in a hurry to find the facts (truth)?

Please stick to this thread and avoid giving me "read this" arguments thank you.

But to answer your question, yes I am presently time-constrained.

 

[chipmunk stew]

You never got high, did you?

I plead the fifth.

No one ever controlled my actions while intoxicated, and if they had, I would not have been able to accomplish anything complex, much less something with no room for error.


edit: I've also never been so intoxicated that I had a hole in my memory. I've forgotten details and moments, but not entire blocks of time.

 

[twinstead]

"mind control" is just another one of those buzz phrases like "nano thermite" or "holographic projections" or "voice morphing technology", etc, that is merely a desperate attempt to explain an untenable theory.

 

[chipmunk stew]

Please stick to this thread and avoid giving me "read this" arguments thank you.

But to answer your question, yes I am presently time-constrained.

You're the one who brought up war games. I was directing you to a thread that covered the topic.

 

[Oystein]

...If you think, after watching hypnotists on daytime television convince a man in an armchair he's driving a Ferrari, that the CIA can't do more or less the same, then there's not much more to discuss: you need to learn more about the subject.

Obviously, someone hypnosed you into believing you are right on 9/11. Maybe it was the CIA. More likely, it is just a guy having loads of fun with you

 

[chipmunk stew]

"mind control" is just another one of those buzz phrases like "nano thermite" or "holographic projections" or "voice morphing technology", etc, that is merely a desperate attempt to explain an untenable theory.

They are all cheap literary devices. Shortcuts that bad writers use in conspiracy fiction.

 

[Quiproquo]

I'll just give you the money quote from post #4 in the thread:

This argument does not seem to debunk the possibility that war simulations may have been a means to carry out the attcks, but only strenghtens it.

 

[Dragon37]

For example, it is reported that there was a war simulation of hijacked aircrafts going on. To this end there were "phantom" planes flying around on the radar. This could have been used to confuse any appropriate response to the attack if we had reports of dozens of hijacked aircraft instead of the four which occured on 9/11. The technicians and administrators of the simulations would be unwitting accomplices.

If they were actually in the air and even practicing in the area, which I have never heard any evidence of, they would likely have been squawking IDs that would clearly indicate they were military. All of the planes that were actually hijacked or were thought to be hijacked were either not squawking or were squawking specific hijacked codes and they were also all accounted for as known commercial craft not military test flights.

 

[DGM]

You tell me, I have a feeling you are just dying to inform me about what you know.

No, I'm not dying to tell you what I know. I spent the time and did the research. Your laziness is not my problem.

You brought up the exorcises, What effects did they have and why do you believe this?

 

[Quiproquo]

"mind control" is just another one of those buzz phrases like "nano thermite" or "holographic projections" or "voice morphing technology", etc, that is merely a desperate attempt to explain an untenable theory.

They are all cheap literary devices. Shortcuts that bad writers use in conspiracy fiction.

The cheap (propaganda) device is to mix different ideas and concepts together under one label when they each vary sharply in their nature and quality.

 

[chipmunk stew]

This argument does not seem to debunk the possibility that war simulations may have been a means to carry out the attcks, but only strenghtens it.

Huh?

Exercises = active crews that could quickly be redirected
No exercises = inactive crews that would have taken longer to get airborne

The confusion about whether the attacks were real took mere moments to clear up.

 

[Quiproquo]

If they were actually in the air and even practicing in the area, which I have never heard any evidence of, they would likely have been squawking IDs that would clearly indicate they were military. All of the planes that were actually hijacked or were thought to be hijacked were either not squawking or were squawking specific hijacked codes and they were also all accounted for as known commercial craft not military test flights.

So the military is not even capable of changing their own IDs for their own ends?

Man you must think the military are really dumb.

 

[Quiproquo]

Huh?

Exercises = active crews that could quickly be redirected
No exercises = inactive crews that would have taken longer to get airborne

The confusion about whether the attacks were real took mere moments to clear up.

The response to the hijackings was arguably slow and unusual, not quick and regular.

 

[Thunder]

The response to the hijackings was arguably slow and unusual, not quick and regular.

compared to what other intercepts with the plane transponder turned off, in highly trafficed areas?

 

[twinstead]

The cheap (propaganda) device is to mix different ideas and concepts together under one label when they each vary sharply in their nature and quality.

But each of those things has veen "shown to exist" in some context and has been presented as viable by different sects of the truther cult. Tempesta's sect just prefers to with a wave of the hand and the words "mind control" to fill gaps in their story. Looks like your sect wants it to be part of some war game fakery.

IMO, attributing "mind control" to deny legitimate hijackers is every bit as crazy as claiming all the calls from the planes were faked, and only a bit less crazy than claiming there were no planes at all, but faked with holographic images.