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The bars and pubs in Canada are definitely not suffering and yet almost every province and territoy has a smoking ban. You will notice that BC's is an Occupation Health and Safety ban as I mentioned before. Seems the law makers couldn't pass a decent law so OH&S stepped in and did it for them.

British Columbia

British Columbia's Occupational Health and Safety Regulation requires employers to prohibit smoking in the workplace, or to restrict smoking to designated smoking areas or by "other equally effective means". Employers who operate certain businesses, such as bars and restaurants, are exempt from the requirements if they provide a separate place for smoking. Employees cannot be required to work in smoking areas. In addition, some municipalities in British Columbia have bylaws that completely prohibit smoking in the workplace.


THE SMOKE-FREE ONTARIO ACT
In Ontario, an "enclosed workplace" is defined as any place prescribed by the regulations or the inside of any building, structure, vehicle or conveyance that is covered by a roof, frequented by employees during the course of their employment, that is not primarily a private dwelling. Company vehicles and roofed patios are thus considered enclosed workplaces. Employers in Ontario have a variety of obligations with respect to prohibiting smoking in the workplace. They must:

remove all ashtrays or similar equipment from enclosed workplaces (with an exception for ashtrays installed in vehicles by the manufacturer);

provide adequate notice that smoking is prohibited;

conspicuously post 10 by 10 centimetre signs, with the prescribed format, at each entrance and exit of the enclosed workplace, and in sufficient numbers to ensure that both employees and the public are aware that smoking is not permitted;

ensure that a person who refuses to comply with any of the above does not remain in the enclosed workplace; and

assist inspectors appointed by the Minister of Health and Long-Term Care.
A person who does not fulfill any of these obligations is subject to a $1,000 fine for the first offence, and a $5,000 fine for subsequent offences. If an employer, or person acting on behalf of an employer, takes any action against an employee because the employee has acted in accordance with the legislation, or has sought enforcement of the legislation, they may be subject to a fine of $4,000 for individuals and $10,000 for corporations.

Proprietors of residential care facilities, psychiatric facilities and facilities for veterans can register enclosed "controlled smoking areas" with the Minister of Health and Long-Term Care, provided the area complies with the Act and Regulations. There are also certain exceptions for scientific research and testing facilities, the use of tobacco in an activity carried out for traditional Aboriginal cultural or spiritual purposes, and designated smoking rooms in hotels, motels and inns.

Alberta

Alberta's Smoke-free Places Act became effective January 1st, 2006. The Act prohibits smoking in workplaces, with some exceptions, but allows for the designation of a workplace, or part of a workplace, as a place where smoking is permitted (provided that minors are restricted from entering that place). A number of municipalities in Alberta have enacted bylaws that impose stronger restrictions than the provincial legislation, including complete prohibitions on smoking in the workplace.



Quebec
Revisions to Quebec's Tobacco Act came into force on May 31st, 2006. Quebec's legislation similarly prohibits smoking in enclosed workplaces. Employers are permitted to set up closed smoking rooms for persons who are lodged in the workplace.

Jurisdiction/Legislation

Federal/Non-Smoker’s Health Act (regulates smoking in federal workplaces)

Alberta/Smoke-free Places Act

British Columbia/Occupational Health and Safety Regulation

Manitoba/Non-Smokers Health Protection Act

New Brunswick/Smoke-free Places Act

Newfoundland and Labrador/Smoke Free Environment Act 2005

Northwest Territories/Environmental Tobacco Work Site Regulations (Bill 16, The Tobacco Control Act, is expected to come into force in the Fall of 2006).

Nova Scotia/Smoke Free Places Act (2002).

Nunavut/Tobacco Control Act and the Environmental Tobacco Work Site Regulations.

Ontario/Smoke-Free Ontario Act

Prince Edward Island/Smoke-free Places Act (2002)

Quebec/Tobacco Act

Saskatchewan/Tobacco Control Act

Yukon/Currently no territorial regulations restrict smoking, but see Whitehorse’s No Smoking Bylaw 2003-28
 
What you have described here has happened many times. E.g., the British Invasion was made possible by an undergrowth of bands in the UK: Everyone, it seemed, were in a band. Especially in Liverpool, first with the skiffle craze, and later with rock'n'roll. Then, the Beatles, which completely changed the face of music in a much more profound way than grunge can ever aspire to. The 70's saw the advent of a true mass-market for music. And so on and so forth. Music history seems to repeat itself.

So wait, are you trying to say The Beatles were just "a blip" too now?

You are SO out of your league here Clause, stop with this line of thinking, you will only embarass yourself


yes that is me


Why are you so intent on bringing skin color into this?

Why are you? thas the fifth time now

If everything is up to the employer?

The price of straw beans in straw china what?
 
Somewhat off topic, but are you sure you can link the ban to the drop in the music scene? I mean, I lived in Mpls when the music scene there started taking off (Soul Asylum, Replacements, Husker Du etc...). But over time it ran dry. I think that is just part of hte music process. A city is hit with a wave of inspiration but a few years later it runs dry. What new badn has come out of Athens lately?

Lurker

The Mid West "sugar scenes" slowly faded, especially since Cincinatti started becoming more band friendly. There are studios in ohio offering 250 dollar an hour rooms for 40 bucks an hour!

The death of tempe happened overnite. If you had ever been to Mill Avenue before the smoking ban, it was wall to wall people, like waikiki, standing room only, even on the sidewalk.

A week after the smoking ban, it was crickets

Strangely in Phoenix, that weekend business picked up, a LOT, and soon after phoenix got its first, sustainable metal bar since the mason jar closed, Bulldogz.
 
well, philadelphia's recent smoking ban is surely why people aren't buying up teddy prendergrass records like hotcakes anymore.

WHOA

I never made a claim correlating smoking bands with record sales, that is something quite different
 
Link? Who needs to establish a link! It's the fascists. FASCISTS I tell ya. Oh and the Messkins, too.

Pipeline's paranoia needs job protection, too.

Thats cool, kick people while theyre down

Remind me to pee in your soup when I get the chance
 
So wait, are you trying to say The Beatles were just "a blip" too now?

No, I am saying that there are trends in music from time to time. The influence of the Beatles was far beyond anything that grunge can come up with.

You are SO out of your league here Clause, stop with this line of thinking, you will only embarass yourself

Rrrright.

yes that is me

Gee, you're a real celebrity.

Why are you? thas the fifth time now

The price of straw beans in straw china what?

:rolleyes:
 
The bars and pubs in Canada are definitely not suffering and yet almost every province and territoy has a smoking ban. You will notice that BC's is an Occupation Health and Safety ban as I mentioned before. Seems the law makers couldn't pass a decent law so OH&S stepped in and did it for them.

I dont know how you can say this. Tour circuits are avoiding Canada in a large degree, and hugging the bible belt instead now. Canada used to be a MUST TOUR for punk bands, and now they cant get guarantees so they wont go. Look at your recording studio situation now, with bands going to the USA to record, not to go to major recording centers like New York or LA, but just kinda one horse towns south of the border.
 
It seems contrary to libertarian ideas to protest smoking bans.

With smoking bans:
Someone who would elect to do somethingin an establishment open to the publicwhich harms her neighbour against his willis forcibly prevented from so doing. She can carry on life freely as long as she does not harm her neighbours.


what are you talking about harming someone against their will? That doesnt make any sense. If they can leave at any time then there isnt anything being done against their will.

Its pretty disrespectful to people who really HAVE had harm done to them against their will (battery, rape, etc) to compare the two.
 
what are you talking about harming someone against their will? That doesnt make any sense. If they can leave at any time then there isnt anything being done against their will.

If you can close your business at any time, then there's nothing being done to your business against your will.
 
If you can decide not to go into that business at any time, than noone is smoking against your will
 
If you can close your business at any time, then there's nothing being done to your business against your will.


yes, because walking away from something that annoys you is exactly the same as closing your business.

Thats like saying you should leave your own house because your friends think its too messy when they come to visit. It isnt their house and they dont have to be around to look at the mess.

You know what I hate? Loud clubs. I walk out of there half deaf the next day and the music is crap. So I dont go. i dont demand the dj pick a song i like or adjust the volume.
 
yes, because walking away from something that annoys you is exactly the same as closing your business.

You're saying that if a waitress doesn't like her working conditions, she should leave her job.

I'm saying that if a bar owner doesn't like his business conditions, he should leave his.

If you've got a principled reason why the waitress can't petition the government to grant her decent conditions, but the bar owner can, I'd love to hear it.
 
yes, because walking away from something that annoys you is exactly the same as closing your business.

Thats like saying you should leave your own house because your friends think its too messy when they come to visit. It isnt their house and they dont have to be around to look at the mess.

You know what I hate? Loud clubs. I walk out of there half deaf the next day and the music is crap. So I dont go. i dont demand the dj pick a song i like or adjust the volume.

Ok so now we have had two examples already that just as I said, not only is smoking wrong, but now they will attack with "noise laws"

Did I not call that out early in this thread?

DONT GO IN THERE IF YOU DONT WANT TO HEAR THE MUSIC
 
How are you "somewhat popular" in my area?

How many Danish engineers are using my drum samples?

How many Danes are using REAPER?

How many read my articles?

I do fine over there, just not with narrow minded biggots which you can find anywhere
 
I dont know how you can say this. Tour circuits are avoiding Canada in a large degree, and hugging the bible belt instead now. Canada used to be a MUST TOUR for punk bands, and now they cant get guarantees so they wont go. Look at your recording studio situation now, with bands going to the USA to record, not to go to major recording centers like New York or LA, but just kinda one horse towns south of the border.

Your cause and affect is questionable. The bars and pubs are doing a booming business.

I think you will find that the decline in talent coming into Canada had far more to do with how low the Canadian dollar was compared to the US dollar. No one wants to take a 45% cut just because the venue is in Canada. Several big name bands cancelled their gigs or refused to include Canadian venues on their tours for that very reason.

The smoking ban had nothing to do with it.

ETA: It is also funny that the bars have never been able to show a loss of business because of the smoking ban. In fact, much of the information showed that business went up because the people that avoided the bars because of the smoke were returning and there were more of them than smokers who refused to go to bars after the smoking ban.

Are you saying that only people who smoke enjoy music?
 
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Your cause and affect is questionable. The bars and pubs are doing a booming business.

As spelled in the OP, my primary concern is with the bands. Your bars may be doing well, your bands arent. Your tour circuit isnt

Private clubs are doing well in tempe but they hire DJ's

I think you will find that the decline in talent coming into Canada had far more to do with how low the Canadian dollar was compared to the US dollar. No one wants to take a 45% cut just because the venue is in Canada. Several big name bands cancelled their gigs or refused to include Canadian venues on their tours for that very reason.

This is a possibility, whether in part or in full Im not sure

The smoking ban had nothing to do with it.

I wouldnt be so quick
 
You tell me. How many? Yes, with evidence.

When you can demonstrate an understanding of these issues (which you have comically failed to do so far) the answers would be self evident. The "AES_24_96 drum samples" are mine BTW, and well credited on albums across the world. Note these are and always have been free to all, so I guess Im a socialist or something


"Bigots". Just one g.

Just because I cant spell it doesnt mean you arent one
 

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